[QUOTE=Ownederd;39229474]"my right to say the n word in public is being oppressed i like to say the n word because its so random and whack LOL"[/QUOTE]
The value of freedom of speech is that it lets you say what is true and necessary to be said, at the expense that it can also be used to incite hate. But in trying and specify what can and can't be said to curb the latter, you interfere with the ability to perform the former.
It should be left up to the individual to decide how they feel about what is said, no one should be able to silence points of view no matter how undesirable they are just because they feel that they are wrong or hateful. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church, they are pretty much 95 percent of the time delivering hate speeches and demonstrations, but the vast majority of people, and I mean vast majority, think they are foolish and don't respect their beliefs or opinions.
The only reason to I can imagine wanting to see someone silenced for what they say is if you think it has an air of validity and their claims cannot be refuted, otherwise why not refute.
There should be exceptions, more to do with usage in particular places (the old shouting fire in a crowded theater), but in public and in places where ideas are supposed to be vented, why would you infringe upon freedom of speech?
On a side note, I've noticed a trend of social justice crusaders, of which some transsexuals are participating party in, going around fighting hate with more hate, but also valid dissenting opinion with hate. Indeed the joke the woman used you could argue was in poor taste, but the response to that joke is equally as puerile. I think it's easy to take away from the article that it's an attack on transsexuals, I may have simply misread it but to me it seems like more of an attack on attacks with the author making the mistake of identifying a particular party and acting childish in regards to them, as opposed to an attack on transsexuals. You should attack opinions, not the people who hold them, both sides are at fault.
Tldr version. "Transsexuals are still fair game (they basically exist to be mocked, right?) We're the [I]real[/I] women here. Trannies are just freaks."
What an asshat.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207617]The jokes many people seem to love are all extremely hurtful and cruel. I know it doesn't seem that way but most really are. That and it adds to misconception and hate. Sure, it makes people laugh, but it also gives everyone the wrong idea about who we really are. I think if a joke adds more to hate and misconception than it does just poking fun then it needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
no, jokes make you more accessible to normal people who don't know/care about you, which is better for you, how do they 'add to the hate and misconception'? why does you being a ts/cd/abcd make you immune to being poked at?
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984225]While I agree with the underlying point, the overall article is brutish and unnecessarily hostile.[/QUOTE]
So you're a bigot?
[QUOTE=Super_Nova;39984501]So you're a bigot?[/QUOTE]
Bigotry is inherently destructive, stemming from irrational emotions such as fear and hatred, and incompatible with modern society. I am not a bigot. I do, however, personally find the theory of 'transgenderism' invalid and distasteful.
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984578]Bigotry is inherently destructive, stemming from irrational emotions such as fear and hatred, and incompatible with modern society. I am not a bigot. I do, however, personally find the theory of 'transgenderism' invalid and distasteful.[/QUOTE]
Why do you find transgenderism invalid and distasteful?
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984578]Bigotry is inherently destructive, stemming from irrational emotions such as fear and hatred, and incompatible with modern society. I am not a bigot. I do, however, personally find the theory of 'transgenderism' invalid and distasteful.[/QUOTE]
Oh, man, I love it when people do these posts where they deliberately contradict themselves. It's hilarious!
...[img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/emoot/smith.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984578]Bigotry is inherently destructive, stemming from irrational emotions such as fear and hatred, and incompatible with modern society. I am not a bigot. I do, however, personally find the theory of 'transgenderism' invalid and distasteful.[/QUOTE]
But your views as transgenderism as invalid and distasteful will eventually be incompatible with society and they are irrational.
Come on guys, lets not turn this into another debate, you'll just be repeating everything that was said in the previous pages and on every thread before. neither side is going to change opinion.
[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;39984661]Come on guys, lets not turn this into another debate, you'll just be repeating everything that was said in the previous pages and on every thread before. neither side is going to change opinion.[/QUOTE]
But....but...cognitive dissonance, even when present in others and not myself, provides me with a very unique and distasteful sensation. Specifically, the sensation is as though my finger bones could interact directly with my skull, without involving the flesh, and were thereby repetitively scraping against it.
[QUOTE=Thaard;39984606]Why do you find transgenderism invalid and distasteful?[/QUOTE]
Transgenderism is, simply, the result of allowing a mental illness to go unchecked. It often results in a waste of large amounts of money, caused by deluded individuals believing that there is something 'wrong' with their body, and turn to crude surgical alteration in an attempt to 'fix' themselves.
Do not misunderstand me - gender dysphoria is as valid an issue as, say, schizophrenia or depression; both are mental illnesses, and the symptoms of each are quite difficult (if not impossible) to remove without the use of mental therapy. Unfortunately, many sufferers do not seek treatment, believing that they will be ridiculed or feared for being 'crazy'.
In the case of America, it is simply another proverbial bump in the road of mental healthcare, that will hopefully be rectified in the (hopefully near) future.
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984719]Transgenderism is, simply, the result of allowing a mental illness to go unchecked. It often results in a waste of large amounts of money, caused by deluded individuals believing that there is something 'wrong' with their body, and turn to crude surgical alteration in an attempt to 'fix' themselves.
[B]Do not misunderstand me - gender dysphoria is as valid an issue as, say, schizophrenia or depression; both are mental illnesses, and the symptoms of each are quite difficult (if not impossible) to remove without the use of mental therapy[/B]. Unfortunately, many sufferers do not seek treatment, believing that they will be ridiculed or feared for being 'crazy'.
In the case of America, it is simply another proverbial bump in the road of mental healthcare, that will hopefully be rectified in the (hopefully near) future.[/QUOTE]
Hi. Psychology student here. You're full of shit.
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984719]Transgenderism is, simply, the result of allowing a mental illness to go unchecked. It often results in a waste of large amounts of money, caused by deluded individuals believing that there is something 'wrong' with their body, and turn to crude surgical alteration in an attempt to 'fix' themselves.
Do not misunderstand me - gender dysphoria is as valid an issue as, say, schizophrenia or depression; both are mental illnesses, and the symptoms of each are quite difficult (if not impossible) to remove without the use of mental therapy. Unfortunately, many sufferers do not seek treatment, believing that they will be ridiculed or feared for being 'crazy'.
In the case of America, it is simply another proverbial bump in the road of mental healthcare, that will hopefully be rectified in the (hopefully near) future.[/QUOTE]
you could say the same thing about homosexuality, but you wouldn't because it's not scary and new to you.
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984719]Transgenderism is, simply, the result of allowing a mental illness to go unchecked. It often results in a waste of large amounts of money, caused by deluded individuals believing that there is something 'wrong' with their body, and turn to crude surgical alteration in an attempt to 'fix' themselves.
Do not misunderstand me - gender dysphoria is as valid an issue as, say, schizophrenia or depression; both are mental illnesses, and the symptoms of each are quite difficult (if not impossible) to remove without the use of mental therapy. Unfortunately, many sufferers do not seek treatment, believing that they will be ridiculed or feared for being 'crazy'.
In the case of America, it is simply another proverbial bump in the road of mental healthcare, that will hopefully be rectified in the (hopefully near) future.[/QUOTE]
Trying to make someone who identifies themselves as a man identify themselves as a woman is as viable as making someone who is homosexual straight.
AKA impossible, not without causing enormous amounts of mental trauma anyways.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39984773]you could say the same thing about homosexuality, but you wouldn't because it's not scary and new to you.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing fear-inducing about a psuedo-orientation. Homosexuality has existed, in some form or another, for hundreds of years. Take Saturnalia, for example, an ancient Roman festival in which almost exclusively all-male gatherings would often stuff themselves with delicacies, become inebriated, and have sex with each other, a tradition dating back to the year of 3 AD (!).
Gender dysphoria, however, has not. I am sure that one could find a few scattered cases dating back to dozens of years past, however it has not seen a sharp rise until recently, which I believe to be due to the growing acceptance of LGB orientations around the world (disregarding such cases as Africa, of course).
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984578] I do, however, personally find the theory of 'transgenderism' invalid and distasteful.[/QUOTE]
I feel the same way about the strong nuclear force
just don't buy it
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984719]Transgenderism is, simply, the result of allowing a mental illness to go unchecked. It often results in a waste of large amounts of money, caused by deluded individuals believing that there is something 'wrong' with their body, and turn to crude surgical alteration in an attempt to 'fix' themselves.
Do not misunderstand me - gender dysphoria is as valid an issue as, say, schizophrenia or depression; both are mental illnesses, and the symptoms of each are quite difficult (if not impossible) to remove without the use of mental therapy. Unfortunately, many sufferers do not seek treatment, believing that they will be ridiculed or feared for being 'crazy'.
In the case of America, it is simply another proverbial bump in the road of mental healthcare, that will hopefully be rectified in the (hopefully near) future.[/QUOTE]
we don't need people like you around in this community and what you're trying to say is extremely insulting
the most creative thing you're doing right now is putting down people, including my dad
sort your morals and ass backwards views out, then maybe people won't call you out for being an asshole
Well I guess updating on the sentence was a good enough reason to bump the thread, but are the lads are going to spend the next few pages arguing with this self-contradicting bigot? I'm pretty sure the account was made just to declare their bigotry then rabidly deny it.
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984835]Gender dysphoria, however, has not. I am sure that one could find a few scattered cases dating back to dozens of years past, however it has not seen a sharp rise until recently,[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, you could not be more wrong. Have you even heard of the hijra social caste?
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;39984910]Holy shit, you could not be more wrong. Have you even heard of the hijra social caste?[/QUOTE]
That sounds foreign, so it's obviously morally wrong
Checkmate freak
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984835]There is nothing fear-inducing about a psuedo-orientation. Homosexuality has existed, in some form or another, for hundreds of years. Take Saturnalia, for example, an ancient Roman festival in which almost exclusively all-male gatherings would often stuff themselves with delicacies, become inebriated, and have sex with each other, a tradition dating back to the year of 3 AD (!).
Gender dysphoria, however, has not. I am sure that one could find a few scattered cases dating back to dozens of years past, however it has not seen a sharp rise until recently, which I believe to be due to the growing acceptance of LGB orientations around the world (disregarding such cases as Africa, of course).[/QUOTE]
oh yes all those ancient civilizations that couldn't even tell you whether or not the earth was round would definitely keep good records of transgenderism
what i'm saying is it's been around as long as homosexuality in all likelihood, but not well-understood or recognized until recently.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39984883]I feel the same way about the strong nuclear force
just don't buy it[/QUOTE]
I mean protons and neutrons together in a nucleus?
disgusting an unnatural
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39984899]we don't need people like you around in this community and what you're trying to say is extremely insulting
the most creative thing you're doing right now is putting down people, including my dad
sort your morals and ass backwards views out, then maybe people won't call you out for being an asshole[/QUOTE]
I did not claim to be creative, sir. I was merely stating the facts. I am sorry for your unfortunate situation - I understand the difficulties of living with a mentally ill person.
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[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39984931]That sounds foreign, so it's obviously morally wrong
Checkmate freak[/QUOTE]
Fuck, you got me! Can't fault that logic.
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984961]I did not claim to be creative, sir. I was merely stating the facts. I am sorry for your unfortunate situation - I understand the difficulties of living with a mentally ill person.[/QUOTE]
Can I get some sources to support these facts?
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984961]I did not claim to be creative, sir. I was merely stating the facts. I am sorry for your unfortunate situation - I understand the difficulties of living with a mentally ill person.[/QUOTE]
Opinion =/= Fact
What, is your word suddenly law now?
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984835]There is nothing fear-inducing about a psuedo-orientation. Homosexuality has existed, in some form or another, for hundreds of years. Take Saturnalia, for example, an ancient Roman festival in which almost exclusively all-male gatherings would often stuff themselves with delicacies, become inebriated, and have sex with each other, a tradition dating back to the year of 3 AD (!).
Gender dysphoria, however, has not. I am sure that one could find a few scattered cases dating back to dozens of years past, however it has not seen a sharp rise until recently, which I believe to be due to the growing acceptance of LGB orientations around the world (disregarding such cases as Africa, of course).[/QUOTE]
Or just maybe transgender people have been able to raise the issue in recent times [I]thanks to[/I] the growing LGBT acceptance?
To think people who believe they were born in the wrong body didn't exist until recently is absurd. It's no coincidence that once LGBT awareness became a thing suddenly a load of gender dysphoric babies just appeared
(forgive me i may have worded this wrong :v:)
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39984961]I did not claim to be creative, sir. I was merely stating the facts. I am sorry for your unfortunate situation - I understand the difficulties of living with a mentally ill person.[/QUOTE]
i really hope you're being ironic because what you said is very insulting to me and doesn't represent a single facet of how my dad is
the fact that you're calling people who are trans 'sick' is just bad enough in its own right. this isn't a cold war era history clasroom from the 1950s
[QUOTE=Lua Laputa;39985003]Or just maybe transgender people have been able to raise the issue in recent times [I]thanks to[/I] the growing LGBT acceptance?
To think people who believe they were born in the wrong body didn't exist until recently is absurd. It's no coincidence that once LGBT awareness became a thing suddenly a load of gender dysphoric babies just appeared
(forgive me i may have worded this wrong :v:)[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is the point I was making about acceptance. I was not suggesting that those afflicted by gender dysphoria were nonexistent until recently - just the opposite, in fact. I believe that the rise of gender dysphoria can also be linked to the decline of adequate mental health in America.
[QUOTE=(Hephaestus);39985078]Yes, that is the point I was making about acceptance. I was not suggesting that those afflicted by gender dysphoria were nonexistent until recently - just the opposite, in fact. I believe that the rise of gender dysphoria can also be linked to the decline of adequate mental health in America.[/QUOTE]
Um no I'm pretty sure the "rise of gender dysphoria" can be linked to people being less afraid of talking about it.
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