[QUOTE=RobbL;39207246]Wow would you believe that
Seriously, what's so surprising about that revelation?
[editline]13th January 2013[/editline]
Observer is the Sunday edition of the Guardian[/QUOTE]
They're still separate papers with different editors and writers.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39207242]It's only one bad article, plus it's the observer not the guardian, even if they're linked.[/QUOTE]
It says a lot about what they're after, traffic, if they allow something like this to be published.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39207239]I never got how you could be annoyed at somebody for trying to have a happier life instead of practically living a lie.[/QUOTE]
There's always going to be a class of people who're scared or hostile towards those different than them
[QUOTE=RobbL;39207246]Wow would you believe that
Seriously, what's so surprising about that revelation?
[editline]13th January 2013[/editline]
Observer is the Sunday edition of the Guardian[/QUOTE]
i know this is sarcasm but honestly, the vast majority of fp is against homophobia, sexism, and racism, but when it comes to trans people, well...
[QUOTE=Patriarch;39207296]It says a lot about what they're after, traffic, if they allow something like this to be published.[/QUOTE]
It's only one slip up, it's not like this has been regular, it'll probably get taken down and there will be apologies.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39207345]It's only one slip up, it's not like this has been regular, it'll probably get taken down and there will be apologies.[/QUOTE]
The point is that they still allowed it through.
There's giving voice to differing opinions, and then there's hate speech.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;39207362]The point is that they still allowed it through.
There's giving voice to differing opinions, and then there's hate speech.[/QUOTE]
Yep and someones probably going to be fired for it.
It's already been shredded so it's not like this has had any devastating impact
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39207309]i know this is sarcasm but honestly, the vast majority of fp is against homophobia, sexism, and racism, but when it comes to trans people, well...[/QUOTE]
Most of the time it's just ignorance and misunderstanding more than deliberate hate
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;39207308]There's always going to be a class of people who're scared or hostile towards those different than them[/QUOTE]
It's usually the classic thing of "I don't understand it so I'll act hostile", it's natural but completely inexcusable.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;39207296]It says a lot about what they're after, traffic, if they allow something like this to be published.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Comment is free, often abbreviated as Cif, is a comment and political opinion site within Guardian.co.uk. It contains the comment and opinion pieces from The Guardian and The Observer newspapers, plus contributions from more than 600 other writers.
The site strictly enforces its talk policy by moderating comments after posting.[11] [B]For particularly sensitive topics, comments may be moderated before posting.[/B][12] Moderators may remove posts that violate the "Community Standards" (usually leaving a marker of the removal), but do not edit them[/QUOTE]
Seems like they've slipped up a bit there
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39207239]I never got how you could be annoyed at somebody for trying to have a happier life instead of practically living a lie.[/QUOTE]
Because people, for some fuck of a reason, like to get worked up about how what other people do with their bodies and lives. Why? I don't know.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39207309]i know this is sarcasm but honestly, the vast majority of fp is against homophobia, sexism, and racism, but when it comes to trans people, well...[/QUOTE]
I did not know this, with so many trans/crossdressing members and them having their own thread in general I guess I've almost assumed they were pretty accepted around here...
[QUOTE=Simski;39207569]I did not know this, with so many trans/crossdressing members and them having their own thread in general I guess I've almost assumed they were pretty accepted around here...[/QUOTE]
Haven't I seen you agreeing with transphobic tards in other threads?
[QUOTE=postmanX3;39206382]i'd say nice try, but that's not even remotely comical.
(edit: i mean you're basically doing the same thing as the article. it's just as dumb and insensitive.)[/QUOTE]
so we arent even allowed to make jokes?
[QUOTE=mopman999;39207585]so we arent allowed to joke about it even?[/QUOTE]
The jokes many people seem to love are all extremely hurtful and cruel. I know it doesn't seem that way but most really are. That and it adds to misconception and hate. Sure, it makes people laugh, but it also gives everyone the wrong idea about who we really are. I think if a joke adds more to hate and misconception than it does just poking fun then it needs to stop.
[quote=women are angered about]"not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual"[/quote]
I don't even know where to begin :v:
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207578]Haven't I seen you agreeing with transphobic tards in other threads?[/QUOTE]
Don't hate them, don't not find them sexually attractive, don't not have fantasies about cross-dressing if I was just a bit more slim and effeminate...
I might have agreed with them, but if I did, it was about technicalities, not about intolerance.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207617]The jokes many people seem to love are all extremely hurtful and cruel. I know it doesn't seem that way but most really are. That and it adds to misconception and hate. Sure, it makes people laugh, but it also gives everyone the wrong idea about who we really are. I think if a joke adds more to hate and misconception than it does just poking fun then it needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
Oh come on, was that guys post REALLY that hurtful?
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39207403]It's usually the classic thing of "I don't understand it so I'll act hostile", it's natural but completely inexcusable.[/QUOTE]
Oh, completely inexcusable, but it's something to expect
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207617]The jokes many people seem to love are all extremely hurtful and cruel. I know it doesn't seem that way but most really are. That and it adds to misconception and hate. Sure, it makes people laugh, but it also gives everyone the wrong idea about who we really are. I think if a joke adds more to hate and misconception than it does just poking fun then it needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
but what makes it different than racism comics that people love to post?
"the boy who killed his parents and then asked the jury for clemency on the grounds he was an orphan."
I'm sorry but comparing trans to this is
[I]completely
and utterly[/I]
[B]fucking [/B][B]stupid[/B]
[QUOTE=postmanX3;39206382]i'd say nice try, but that's not even remotely comical.
(edit: i mean you're basically doing the same thing as the article. it's just as dumb and insensitive.)[/QUOTE]
oh shut up dude :v: That's about as harmfull as me saying gays could never burn the american flag
[I]because fags like fabric far too much[/I]. It really isn't offensive unless you're REALLY over-sensitive. Hell, his is LESS offensive than that because it has a point and is turning and insult into "So what?".
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39207645]Oh come on, was that guys post REALLY that hurtful?[/QUOTE]
You tell me. Is a harmless that joke that a lot of bigots take seriously and use it as a weapon against us to tell us we're disgusting and against God's image or whatever hurtful?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207661]You tell me. Is a harmless that joke that a lot of bigots take seriously and use it as a weapon against us to tell us we're disgusting and against God's image or whatever hurtful?[/QUOTE]
Nothing in his joke was even remotely close to that.
[QUOTE=mopman999;39207657]but what makes it different than racism comics that people love to post?[/QUOTE]
I never said I like racism comics. But if I had to guess it'd be because the majority of people are not bigots towards blacks and it's gotten to a point where it can be humorous. With how sensitive and controversial transgender shit is where people are just extremely uneducated it's not a good idea to feed them misconceptions about us.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39207671]Nothing in his joke was even remotely close to that.[/QUOTE]
How not? A lot of people seriously believe we're guys who chop our cocks off and say we're women.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207686]I never said I like racism comics. But if I had to guess it'd be because the majority of people are not bigots towards blacks and it's gotten to a point where it can be humorous. With how sensitive and controversial transgender shit is where people are just extremely uneducated it's not a good idea to feed them misconceptions about us.[/QUOTE]
i never said you specifically, i meant if people can post stuff like that why do they get pissy when people make a joke, (something not meant to be taken seriously)
there is a fine line between joke and being made fun of.
I don't agree with this article, and I don't think it should've been written at all, but I really think people could dampen it a bit. I support transsexuals in that they should be able to do whatever they want in just the same way that everybody else does, but oftentimes I find that the response to just the simplest critique is totally out of hand. I don't agree with the author, but I see where she's coming from.
[QUOTE=mopman999;39207716]i never said you specifically, i meant if people can post stuff like that why do they get pissy when people make a joke, (something not meant to be taken seriously)
there is a fine line between joke and being made fun of.[/QUOTE]
This case for example.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207686]
How not? A lot of people seriously believe we're guys who chop our cocks off and say we're women.[/QUOTE]
Well a lot of you do get surgery don't you?
[QUOTE=mopman999;39207716]i never said you specifically, i meant if people can post stuff like that why do they get pissy when people make a joke, (something not meant to be taken seriously)
there is a fine line between joke and being made fun of.[/QUOTE]
The thing is it's gotten to the point where making fun of black people is more comical. More people find it humorous because they know the joke is silly and stereotypical and it's not true. Sure, there are people who would find it humorous because they are racists and think they are actually like that but the ratio between people understanding and finding it funny as opposed to bigots finding it funny is like 100,000 to 1. Eventually it's going to iron out all the shit stains.
When it comes down to transgenderism the majority of people are uneducated and don't know shit about it. So they take these "jokes" as fact. More people learn misconceptions about trans people through jokes than simply just finding it humorous but knowing it's not true. It's not at that point yet. I think if the joking around causes more harm than it does good it needs to be put on hold until we can start educating people on this subject matter.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39207737]Well a lot of you do get surgery don't you?[/QUOTE]
And here's my point exactly. You believe the surgery involves getting our cock cut off. And you probably learned that from joking.
Sex Reassignment Surgery doesn't involve removal of the penis. It involves cutting it partially and inverting it back up into your body and making a vagina. For transmen the process is seriously just yanking out the vagina and doing touch ups to make it look like a dick. The only removal part is the testicles.
Take a comic about a black joke involving fried chicken. Majority of reaction would involve:
guy 1: lol thats so fucked up but im loling
guy 2: lol wow
guy 3: LOL
guy 4: thats like black people lmao jk xD
guy 5: thats exactly what black people are like god damn sickos go back to Africa.
guy 1: woah dude what is your problem?
guy 2: get a load of this badass
guy 3: go back to BC.
guy 4: loser
Where as a trans joke has had a fair share of history like this.
guy 1: lmao what do not want
guy 2: my boner is so ashamed
guy 3: LOL trannies are fucking disgusting!
guy 4: i don't even. wtf.
guy 5: this shit makes me sick.
guy 6: <long explanation how this is bigtory and the like>
guy 1: lol wtf u must be a tranny
guy 2: dont want to be made fun of dont be a tranny loser
guy 3: LOL trying to justify being something sick lmao
guy 4: you are just what the comic says. you are not shaped in god's image and you are doing deviant behavior. kill yourself
guy 5: lmao the tranny is mad!!!!!
etc etc.
[QUOTE=mopman999;39207716]i never said you specifically, i meant if people can post stuff like that why do they get pissy when people make a joke, (something not meant to be taken seriously)
there is a fine line between joke and being made fun of.[/QUOTE]
The danger of that kind of thing for, to use your example, comics regarding racism against black people, isn't in danger of being perpetuated like transphobia
Persons who're transgendered have a greater worry of discrimination and persecution nowadays than black persons
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207787]The thing is it's gotten to the point where making fun of black people is more comical. More people find it humorous because they know the joke is silly and stereotypical and it's not true. Sure, there are people who would find it humorous because they are racists and think they are actually like that but the ratio between people understanding and finding it funny as opposed to bigots finding it funny is like 100,000 to 1. Eventually it's going to iron out all the shit stains.
When it comes down to transgenderism the majority of people are uneducated and don't know shit about it. So they take these "jokes" as fact. More people learn misconceptions about trans people through jokes than simply just finding it humorous but knowing it's not true. It's not at that point yet. I think if the joking around causes more harm than it does good it needs to be put on hold until we can start educating people on this subject matter.
And here's my point exactly. You believe the surgery involves getting our cock cut off. And you probably learned that from joking.
Sex Reassignment Surgery doesn't involve removal of the penis. It involves cutting it partially and inverting it back up into your body and making a vagina. For transmen the process is seriously just yanking out the vagina and doing touch ups to make it look like a dick. The only removal part is the testicles.[/QUOTE]
Err, that [I]is[/I] pretty much cutting the dick. It's like inverting the nose then saying you still have one. I'm well aware of how dick-to-vagina-transforming works, but I can still laugh at a joke. I really think you underestimate the brain power of many people.
[editline]13th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;39207859]The danger of that kind of thing for, to use your example, comics regarding racism against black people, isn't in danger of being perpetuated like transphobia
Persons who're transgendered have a greater worry of discrimination and persecution nowadays than black persons[/QUOTE]
There's still racism out there, and it's humor - I mean come on. If we can't make fun of serious stuff, what can we make fun of?
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