• "Transsexuals should cut it out"
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39207868] There's still racism out there, and it's humor - I mean come on. If we can't make fun of serious stuff, what can we make fun of?[/QUOTE] I'm aware there's still racism, but imagine the impact of a racist joke in the 1960s american south; It was a lot more harmful to black persons then, because it was perpetuating stereotypes that were still rather dangerous to black persons The same is true today for transgendered persons, who're facing similar discriminatory attitudes
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;39207929]I'm aware there's still racism, but imagine the impact of a racist joke in the 1960s american south; It was a lot more harmful to black persons then, because it was perpetuating stereotypes that were still rather dangerous to black persons The same is true today for transgendered persons, who're facing similar discriminatory attitudes[/QUOTE] I don't think jokes would've made it any worse, it's all the serious talk about it. There's difference between saying "what's the difference between a black man and a pizza? One of them can feed a family of four" and "we should really kill a nigger". No one will be swayed by the first, and those who do are already insane. [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207787] Take a comic about a black joke involving fried chicken. Majority of reaction would involve: guy 1: lol thats so fucked up but im loling guy 2: lol wow guy 3: LOL guy 4: thats like black people lmao jk xD guy 5: thats exactly what black people are like god damn sickos go back to Africa. guy 1: woah dude what is your problem? guy 2: get a load of this badass guy 3: go back to BC. guy 4: loser Where as a trans joke has had a fair share of history like this. guy 1: lmao what do not want guy 2: my boner is so ashamed guy 3: LOL trannies are fucking disgusting! guy 4: i don't even. wtf. guy 5: this shit makes me sick. guy 6: <long explanation how this is bigtory and the like> guy 1: lol wtf u must be a tranny guy 2: dont want to be made fun of dont be a tranny loser guy 3: LOL trying to justify being something sick lmao etc etc.[/QUOTE] Seriously, this isn't really a form of argument at all. But anyway - giving a long explanation of why the people you're around are all transphobics and really bad people, is generally a bad idea. Chances are they won't listen, and they may even become annoyed by the fact that you take on the position of a responsible parent educating their children. That's how it goes - you could insert "long-ass explanation of why they're racists" in the other one, and I'm sure the hypothetical response would be much of the same.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39207868]Err, that [I]is[/I] pretty much cutting the dick. It's like inverting the nose then saying you still have one. I'm well aware of how dick-to-vagina-transforming works, but I can still laugh at a joke. I really think you underestimate the brain power of many people.[/quote] So if I lose half of my nose in some horrible accident I don't have a nose? Even though it's still there? [quote][editline]13th January 2013[/editline] There's still racism out there, and it's humor - I mean come on. If we can't make fun of serious stuff, what can we make fun of?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying you can't make fun of it I just wish people would do it after discrimination, misconception, and murder of transgender people became a thing of the past because as it stands now the joking isn't helping. It is, as it stands, HINDERING the progression into a more accepting mindset. Even as black people got equal rights I'm sure racist jokes towards them was still a dangerous tool into hindering progression. I can fight tooth and nail on this all day but I know everyone is going to justify why it's ok to make fun of it and relate to other things. You could very simply just stop and help make the world a better place for us in the mean time until things get better and then continue but you won't. So I'm not going to bother anymore.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;39206382]insensitive[/QUOTE] OH NO
Personally I don't think the dick joke was that big of a deal considering that's not even where the hate towards transgender people comes from. Hate towards transgender people comes mostly from the idea that gender dysphoria is not a big deal and that transgender people are just being crybabies, or the idea that being transgender is a conscious choice someone makes, or just simply being disgusted at the very concept of someone being a gender that their body contradicts. Mostly a combination of all of the above.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39207237]Case and point: "Stop annoying me with your non-problems slightly inconveniencing me from reading news threads on a gaming forum you silly TS/TG fetishists. God you people are so inconsiderate!"[/QUOTE] You're retarded on every single level. I was pointing out that Facepunch makes such a big deal about it, it ends up in a shit storm disguised as a debate where two people try to defend Transgender people, and do a horrible job at it. While everyone else berates all transgender people and uses these two "knights" as an example. If you honestly think I am on the bigoted side, you're either clearly retarded or can't read past examples.
[QUOTE=don818;39208046]You're retarded on every single level. I was pointing out that Facepunch makes such a big deal about it, it ends up in a shit storm disguised as a debate where two people try to defend Transgender people, and do a horrible job at it. While everyone else berates all transgender people and uses these two "knights" as an example. If you honestly think I am on the bigoted side, you're either clearly retarded or can't read past examples.[/QUOTE] calm down dude boxbot is just pointing out that you're making annoying posts that only jab and put down people
[QUOTE=don818;39208046]You're retarded on every single level. I was pointing out that Facepunch makes such a big deal about it, it ends up in a shit storm disguised as a debate where two people try to defend Transgender people, and do a horrible job at it. While everyone else berates all transgender people and uses these two "knights" as an example. If you honestly think I am on the bigoted side, you're either clearly retarded or can't read past examples.[/QUOTE]I'm not calling you a bigot. I'm calling you an asshole for whining about something that is a complete non-issue for you compared to the issue of discrimination towards transgender people. Basically you have an issue with transgender people and those who empathize with them taking this sort of issue to heart. And by the way people make a big deal out of this sort of thing because, get this, it actually is a big deal.
[QUOTE=don818;39208046]You're retarded on every single level. I was pointing out that Facepunch makes such a big deal about it, it ends up in a shit storm disguised as a debate where two people try to defend Transgender people, and do a horrible job at it. While everyone else berates all transgender people and uses these two "knights" as an example. If you honestly think I am on the bigoted side, you're either clearly retarded or can't read past examples.[/QUOTE] Was the first and the last sentence in your post really necessary for you to get through with your point? It doesn't exactly give you the higher ground.
One person’s clever joke is another person’s offensive insult. It's when it's fully intentionally meant as hate speech it's bad. That said, the woman in the article most likely isn't worth the oxygen she breathes.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39208090]I'm not calling you a bigot. I'm calling you an asshole for whining about something that is a complete non-issue for you compared to the issue of discrimination towards transgender people. Basically you have an issue with transgender people and those who empathize with them taking this sort of issue to heart. And by the way people make a big deal out of this sort of thing because, get this, it actually is a big deal.[/QUOTE] It's weird because don818 is also transgender. I don't understand why she of all people would think someone defending us, even if there are fools who cause problems, is a bad thing.
[QUOTE=don818;39208046]You're retarded on every single level. I was pointing out that Facepunch makes such a big deal about it, it ends up in a shit storm disguised as a debate where two people try to defend Transgender people, and do a horrible job at it. While everyone else berates all transgender people and uses these two "knights" as an example. If you honestly think I am on the bigoted side, you're either clearly retarded or can't read past examples.[/QUOTE] so because a couple trans people aren't very good at arguing with bigoted dumbasses who basically hold their fingers in their ears and go "LALALALALALA", there should be no clearing of misconception, nor should stories of transphobia even be posted simply because of the risk of an argument (which, by the way, doesn't count as a "shitstorm" if it's confined to one thread that you don't even have to read) happening?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39208020]OH NO[/QUOTE] yeah god forbid with have a little decency, huh. i'm not saying we can't make jokes, but the context is what's important. the article is some asshole saying a bunch of truly venomous things directed at an already mistreated minority. it's not clever or funny to walk into a situation like that and crack an equally heartless joke, is it? there's a time and a place for everything, but i wouldn't say this is the place to be making jokes at transsexual people's expense.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39208120]It's weird because don818 is also transgender. I don't understand why she of all people would think someone defending us, even if there are fools who cause problems, is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Because it's not. It creates a shit storm. People who are bigots look in an laugh their asses off at. Shit take a look at the GMF if you don't believe me. Or just add someone from the other side and ask them their opinion. but w/e im out fuck this
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39207991]So if I lose half of my nose in some horrible accident I don't have a nose? Even though it's still there? [/quote] If you lose half your nose and invert the rest inside your face, yes, I'd say you have no nose to speak off. [quote] I'm not saying you can't make fun of it I just wish people would do it after discrimination, misconception, and murder of transgender people became a thing of the past because as it stands now the joking isn't helping. It is, as it stands, HINDERING the progression into a more accepting mindset. Even as black people got equal rights I'm sure racist jokes towards them was still a dangerous tool into hindering progression. I can fight tooth and nail on this all day but I know everyone is going to justify why it's ok to make fun of it and relate to other things. You could very simply just stop and help make the world a better place for us in the mean time until things get better and then continue but you won't. So I'm not going to bother anymore.[/QUOTE] Look, I barely [I]ever[/I] (if I ever have, I don't remember it) make a joke about transsexuals - really, I don't. Neither have I really experienced any. It's not something people talk about at all, really, and I've never met anyone who was against transsexuals. It doesn't happen around me, and if I were to make a joke about it, I don't think anyone would care. So there's really nothing to stop for me. Now, this is pretty much what I was talking about in my first post - you're constantly trying to see something as transphobic, whether it was meant as such or not. Making a joke about someone altering their genitals [I]should[/I] be a-ok, but not two post further down the page and someone has called out the person saying "that's not funny at all, it's dumb and insensitive!". I recognize that you may be persecuted in some ways in real life, but this is a goddamn internet forum. Chill out.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39207988]Seriously, this isn't really a form of argument at all. [/QUOTE] Tell that to the mass amount of idiots on FB who take everything like its a life lesson. That was pretty much the similar reaction I had to defending transgender people when some stupid page I liked posted a joke towards transgender people. I can't defend us without being barraged with insults that my life style is a choice, I should stop, kill myself, ugly, etc etc while people who find black jokes funny would jump on a bastard for being a bigot towards them.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;39208129]yeah god forbid with have a little decency, huh. i'm not saying we can't make jokes, but the context is what's important. the article is some asshole saying a bunch of truly venomous things directed at an already mistreated minority. it's not clever or funny to walk into a situation like that and crack an equally heartless joke, is it? there's a time and a place for everything, but i wouldn't say this is the place to be making jokes at transsexual people's expense.[/QUOTE] that's the internet for you
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39208120]It's weird because don818 is also transgender. I don't understand why she of all people would think someone defending us, even if there are fools who cause problems, is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Maybe because transgendered people aren't just one big group? You don't necessarily speak for him (sorry, her), just like people who commented on the article said "I'm a feminist, but I don't agree with her at all".
[QUOTE=don818;39208155]Because it's not. It creates a shit storm. People who are bigots look in an laugh their asses off at. Shit take a look at the GMF if you don't believe me. Or just add someone from the other side and ask them their opinion. but w/e im out fuck this[/QUOTE] Just because there are dicks doesn't mean that no one comes out of this thinking nothing different. Lurkers may be affected and see things in a more positive light. You can't honestly dismiss it that it doesn't help progression one bit.
[QUOTE=don818;39208155]Because it's not. It creates a shit storm. People who are bigots look in an laugh their asses off at. Shit take a look at the GMF if you don't believe me. Or just add someone from the other side and ask them their opinion. but w/e im out fuck this[/QUOTE] what even constitutes a shitstorm anyway? just a thread where some transphobic dudes post their dumb opinions, get proven wrong, then leave feeling overly self-righteous and vindicated without any vindication actually taking place?
[QUOTE=don818;39208155]Because it's not. It creates a shit storm. People who are bigots look in an laugh their asses off at. Shit take a look at the GMF if you don't believe me. Or just add someone from the other side and ask them their opinion. but w/e im out fuck this[/QUOTE]So what do you want? Do you just want all transgender related discussion to completely disappear because you're afraid of an argument starting?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39208175]Tell that to the mass amount of idiots on FB who take everything like its a life lesson. That was pretty much the similar reaction I had to defending transgender people when some stupid page I liked posted a joke towards transgender people. I can't defend us without being barraged with insults that my life style is a choice, I should stop, kill myself, ugly, etc etc while people who find black jokes funny would jump on a bastard for being a bigot towards them.[/QUOTE] Stop caring about a stupid site on facebook, I don't know why you'd consider that relevant at all. It's dumb people, that's about it. Few people will do a discussion on some stupid facebook site, but unmannered, stupid 12-year olds will in the form of "kill urself fag".
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39208218]So what do you want? Do you just want all transgender related discussion to completely disappear because you're afraid of an argument starting?[/QUOTE] Exactly. Not doing anything isn't going to help us be more accepted into society. Standing up, making a point, and holding up that point like a wall about to fall with all your might is how shit changes. It just takes a long time.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39208241]Stop caring about a stupid site on facebook, I don't know why you'd consider that relevant at all. It's dumb people, that's about it. Few people will do a discussion on some stupid facebook site, but unmannered, stupid 12-year olds will in the form of "kill urself fag".[/QUOTE] Just because they are dumb or young doesn't make them any less of a person. They all grow up and teach their retarded bullshit to their offspring and promote more hate. And even if they are stupid, what does that mean? They get to someone who doesn't know about us first and spout all this bullshit and teach that person to hate thus adding another problem into our progression to being socially accepted. They are still a problem. And automerge broke what the fuck?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39208242]Exactly. Not doing anything isn't going to help us be more accepted into society. Standing up, making a point, and holding up that point like a wall about to fall with all your might is how shit changes. It just takes a long time.[/QUOTE] but you might say something slightly silly!!!!
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39208241]Stop caring about a stupid site on facebook, I don't know why you'd consider that relevant at all. It's dumb people, that's about it. Few people will do a discussion on some stupid facebook site, but unmannered, stupid 12-year olds will in the form of "kill urself fag".[/QUOTE] Um yeah it's not exactly easy to brush things like this off as just a stupid site of facebook when this sort of attitude towards transgender people is frighteningly widespread.
you know what would be nice if we just accepted all minority groups as equals at once. none of this "okay niggers are okay but godamn queers" and then "okay queers are okay but fuck trannies" bullshit. just accept fucking everyone so that we can go on to talking about something practical, like building a moon base or something. because transpersons are going to be accepted into society just like everybody fucking else, as they should, so why do we have to go through this farcical dog and pony show every goddamn time before we get there?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;39208284]you know what would be nice if we just accepted all minority groups as equals at once. none of this "okay niggers are okay but godamn queers" and then "okay queers are okay but fuck trannies" bullshit. just accept fucking everyone so that we can go on to talking about something practical, like building a moon base or something. because transpersons are going to be accepted into society just like everybody fucking else, as they should, so why do we have to go through this farcical dog and pony show every goddamn time before we get there?[/QUOTE] That would be nice but that's not how the world works unfortunately. Bigots influence other bigots and teach naive people hate.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39208270]Um yeah it's not exactly easy to brush things like this off as just a stupid site of facebook when this sort of attitude towards transgender people is frighteningly widespread.[/QUOTE] This. It's just disgusting how people who are all for thing like women's rights and LGB rights will pull the rug out from under the T. And people just ignore it because "trans people are grody ew trannies!!!" It's a fucking disgrace.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39208257]Just because they are dumb or young doesn't make them any less of a person. They all grow up and teach their retarded bullshit to their offspring and promote more hate. And automerge broke what the fuck?[/QUOTE] They're still people, but 12-year olds are generally resenting of people trying to educate them in such a way - I work in a cinema, and the people that have a problem with authority is not the 16-year olds fighting in the foyer, it's the boys aged 10 to 12.
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