• "Transsexuals should cut it out"
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39208314]They're still people, but 12-year olds are generally resenting of people trying to educate them in such a way - I work in a cinema, and the people that have a problem with authority is not the 16-year olds fighting in the foyer, it's the boys aged 10 to 12.[/QUOTE] Most of the people I see who are doing this are teens to young adults. And when it gets to the bible-thumping category it goes to the 50+.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39208270]Um yeah it's not exactly easy to brush things like this off as just a stupid site of facebook when this sort of attitude towards transgender people is frighteningly widespread.[/QUOTE] Well, can't say I've ever encountered it other than on facepunch, really. And he was talking about a stupid facebook site, he never said where he had such conversations. I think the group that hates transgendered people are pretty much the same people that hate gay people - they're more widespread in the US than here in Denmark.
[QUOTE=don818;39208155]Because it's not. It creates a shit storm. People who are bigots look in an laugh their asses off at. Shit take a look at the GMF if you don't believe me. Or just add someone from the other side and ask them their opinion. but w/e im out fuck this[/QUOTE] Shitstorms create attention and awareness. Sitting on the sidelines and twiddling your thumbs isn't going to get LGBT people rights any faster. You SHOULD be creating shitstorms because the shit that goes on these days is completely unacceptable.
oh hey another trans-related thread, gee I wonder how this one will end. Person writing the article is a fucking idiot and I hope they get fired.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;39208364]Shitstorms create attention and awareness. Sitting on the sidelines and twiddling your thumbs isn't going to get LGBT people rights any faster. You SHOULD be creating shitstorms because the shit that goes on these days is completely unacceptable.[/QUOTE] Shitstorms are useless as debates. If the only awareness you get is negative, it's not gonna help you.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;39208129]there's a time and a place for everything[/QUOTE] No, there isn't. This is terrible logic and I hope it dies forever. It comes from the same place all of the "traditional values" come from. It's completely understandable if someone can't take a joke or laugh at themselves for some reason. It's also their responsibility to ignore it or remove themselves from the situation.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39208403]No, there isn't. This is terrible logic and I hope it dies forever. It comes from the same place all of the "traditional values" come from. It's completely understandable if someone can't take a joke or laugh at themselves for some reason. It's also their responsibility to ignore it or remove themselves from the situation.[/QUOTE] That's amazing reasoning as to why you shouldn't have a sense of social tact, empathy or sympathy. Using your logic, I guess it will be okay for someone to joke about a person's parents at their funeral.
although I don't really like the trans related jokes I don't let them ruin my day because what's the point in that? In the end it is just a joke, although I never hear them here [people here are surprisingly tolerant but you still have assholes]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39208403]No, there isn't. This is terrible logic and I hope it dies forever. It comes from the same place all of the "traditional values" come from. It's completely understandable if someone can't take a joke or laugh at themselves for some reason. It's also their responsibility to ignore it or remove themselves from the situation.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't necessarily say that. People are allowed to display the offense they take to a joke just as much as someone is allowed to make the joke. I'm pretty sure dogmachines didn't intend any malice with his joke, but considering the sensitivity of this sort of issue it isn't surprising that people will be offended by it.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39208400]Shitstorms are useless as debates. If the only awareness you get is negative, it's not gonna help you.[/QUOTE] When you're essentially a second-class citizen I think "debating" goes out the window. People are angry and rightfully so.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;39208442]That's amazing reasoning as to why you shouldn't have a sense of social tact, empathy or sympathy. Using your logic, I guess it will be okay for someone to joke about a person's parents at their funeral.[/QUOTE] It think in the end it comes down to whether the joke was said with malicious intent. Intent is the difference between a humorous anecdote at a funeral and an insult to the deceased. The reason racist jokes are more accepted than Trans jokes on FP is because people assume that the racist joke is not really malicious, but with the trans-joke you can not be so sure as it sadly is a more socially accepted form of hate.
[QUOTE=imptastick;39208508]It think in the end it comes down to whether the joke was said with malicious intent. Intent is the difference between a humorous anecdote at a funeral and an insult to the deceased. The reason racist jokes are more accepted than Trans jokes on FP is because people assume that the racist joke is not really malicious, but with the trans-joke you can not be so sure as it sadly is a more socially accepted form of hate.[/QUOTE] Of course, but I am not arguing that, I am arguing the idea that we should not have any form of a social filter/tact or empathy for other people. Eitherway, I'm not really going to debate this. I don't have much to add.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;39208442] Using your logic, I guess it will be okay for someone to joke about a person's parents at their funeral.[/QUOTE]Well yeah it's ok, if it's a good funny joke or anecdote that celebrates the lives of loved ones. If you want to talk about entrenched, outdated social constructs you've hit a jackpot when it comes to funerals.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39208676]Well yeah it's ok, if it's a good funny joke or anecdote that celebrates the lives of loved ones. If you want to talk about entrenched, outdated social constructs you've hit a jackpot when it comes to funerals.[/QUOTE] Sure, charming anecdotes or jokes in a positive tone are great, but I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing a lack of empathy and social tact.
I think people should joke about what they want, because they're not supposed to be taken seriously. We can't always be serious.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39208403]No, there isn't. This is terrible logic and I hope it dies forever. It comes from the same place all of the "traditional values" come from. It's completely understandable if someone can't take a joke or laugh at themselves for some reason. [B]It's also their responsibility to ignore it or remove themselves from the situation.[/B][/QUOTE] Oh, I agree completely. Which is why perhaps would-be comedians should remove themselves from discussions like these, because their comments are not constructive or appreciated. I don't understand how understanding context is "terrible logic", especially since you go on to contradict yourself with your second statement.
It is kinda common that people learn about the concept of transsexualism through offensive jokes and misguided "facts". And if they manage to not stumble upon the subject, they might perhaps get a better view once they get older, or be able to change it by not being too affected by it. The first example occurred to me. And since what they were basically trying to define in their joy and disgust, did correspond with feelings of mine, I suddenly defined myself as an abomination of the human being. I was really young at that time, and basically thought that I somehow had ruined my life before it had started, and I hated myself for it. The mindset which have kept me going since then until recently, was that I should ignore everything I am, and aim on making the ones around me happy. And thus, I would still be able to do something useful, despite me being so "wrong". I have now learned to properly deal with my feelings, but I am however still having huge issues with not trying to compromise everything, for the sake of making less "controversy" around the ones I care about since it has been how I've always lived. Now, I'm not saying that such is the case for everyone, and I do not speak for everyone. But these kind of jokes were made by people who had a malicious intent, and perhaps it is too early to spread them, even if you mean no harm. Cause someone will always believe in it, and spread it with his view to others. This may have been less of a thing, if it weren't for the fact that this subject can be almost non existent outside the internet (and even on the internet) for some people. It isn't something which is often spoken about. And when it appears, it is most often through those type of people laughing/hating (or both) it. I just felt like saying this, I do not really wanna argue against someone by posting it. Just give my mind.
How can someone who claims to be from and support a marginalized group rant like a bigot about another marginalized group without noticing the irony of the situation once? It's incomprehensible. Furthermore, why do people feel that they are exempt from criticism on the internet? Why does she consider a popular negative reaction to something that was demonstrably offensive to be bullying? She refers to a "Transsexual lobby" of shadowy power and authority, which is really just laughable when they're the ones that who's cause has progressed the least out of the entire LGBT group.
[QUOTE=Jawyen;39208749] But these kind of jokes were made by people who had a malicious intent, and perhaps it is too early to spread them, even if you mean no harm. Cause someone will always believe in it, and spread it with his view to others. [/QUOTE] Related reading: [url]http://www.glaad.org/blog/actor-jason-alexander-apologizes-jokes-made-cbs-late-late-show[/url]
oh god its like check your privileges cis scum, but not ironic.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;39209245]oh god its like check your privileges cis scum, but not ironic.[/QUOTE] someone should link that tumblr with all the cis scum stuff I remember reading one where someone said their gender fluctuates through the week
[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39209540]someone should link that tumblr with all the cis scum stuff I remember reading one where someone said their gender fluctuates through the week[/QUOTE] That's called genderfluidity.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;39209567]That's called genderfluidity.[/QUOTE] wait so it's real i thought someone was just pulling everyone's chain
[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39209603]wait so it's real i thought someone was just pulling everyone's chain[/QUOTE] i think that whole tumblr with the cis stuff is just satire.
There's these people called TERFs - Trans-exclusionary radical feminists - who have basically been able to make themselves be hated simultaneously by the right for calling themselves feminists and by the left for not being very good at the "equality" part of feminism They're fascinating really
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39207645]Oh come on, was that guys post REALLY that hurtful?[/QUOTE] I've talked with and helped many transexuals, and I found the post to quite funny.
[QUOTE=mixshifter;39209770]I've talked with and helped many transexuals, and I found the post to quite funny.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can claim to understand what's hurtful to trans* people without being one yourself. They're dealing with concepts (like gender dysphoria) that any cisgendered person can't even begin to imagine. Trying to understand transgenderism when you aren't is like being blind and trying to understand blue. The only thing you can go on is what they tell you is hurtful - and if they say something is hurtful it isn't your place to disagree. If you were blind you'd have to be pretty arrogant to argue with someone about blue.
[QUOTE=The dumbest person you've ever met;39206339]Shims, shemales, whatever you're calling yourselves these days – [B]don't threaten or bully us lowly natural-born women[/B], I warn you. We [B]may not have as many lovely big swinging Phds as you[/B], but we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment and many of us are now staring HRT and the menopause straight in the face – and still not flinching. Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. [B]You really won't like us when we're angry.[/B][/QUOTE] Are people seriously this stupid?
"...should cut it out." Boy, that'll really make them stop or else she'll be slightly angered. Everybody watch out.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39209805]I don't think you can claim to understand what's hurtful to trans* people without being one yourself. They're dealing with concepts (like gender dysphoria) that any cisgendered person can't even begin to imagine. Trying to understand transgenderism when you aren't is like being blind and trying to understand blue. The only thing you can go on is what they tell you is hurtful - and if they say something is hurtful it isn't your place to disagree. If you were blind you'd have to be pretty arrogant to argue with someone about blue.[/QUOTE] Transgenders are just regular people, not everyone gets insulted by jokes that are directed towards their kind. I'm not trying to justify the joke, but it's not the end of the world either. If a transgender is capable of taking on their family and friends, who may me judgmental, they can take a few internet jokes, surely?
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