DIY human cyborg biohacks his own body with circadia implant (without anesthetic)
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Disgusting.
I mean, I get the idea, I really do. But if you want to advance transhumanism there are millions of more productive things you could be doing.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42724365]Why would anyone do this? The device isn't measuring much that requires direct contact with the blood, so why on earth would you implant it under the skin? Why not just wear it on an elastic band, where it isn't unsightly and risking infection now or poisoning later as it inevitably corrodes? If you [I]really[/I] need metrics from inside the body, then why not use a probe shaped like a needle piercing the skin with the rest of the unit kept external?
And if he's ever in an accident and undergoes an MRI, it will literally [I]rip the device out of his arm[/I].
This isn't a scientific breakthrough, it's an irresponsible and dangerous chop-shop procedure with little tangible benefit.[/QUOTE]
It's also probably make him unable to fly on airplanes, airport security will certainly raise a few eyebrows at this
What did he even gain by doing this? Everything that thing can do internally you can measure externally anyway.
This reminds me of sapiens anonym, she did things like this one but on a smaller scale. There was a sensor that sent electric pulses on her leg when her foot was facing north for example. Sometimes infections would get her to the hospital, as no medics would agree(and I see why the dont) do that for them. Also I believe its ilegal for the to do so.
Pretty interesting stuff in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Desuh;42724592]Is there a reason why this had to be done without anesthesia?[/QUOTE]
Because he did this with a group of people that aren't doctors - thus no anesthesiologists
I was expecting something that actually required direct access to internal data, but all the thing does so far is report body temperature (more easily accomplished with a thermometer up the arse); and his future plans for it aren't particularly ambitious, either.
The term "biohacker" just irritates me in general; it's bigging up something that's nothing more than a bloke with a scalpel (who resembles a Cenobite) sticking a rather unimpressive and large bit of circuitry in the guy's arm.
[QUOTE=bravehat;42724299]There's people who have sliced open their finger tips to insert little magnets so they can sense magnetic fields with their finger tips and tell if certain cables and shit are live.[/QUOTE]
That procedure is remarkably non invasive. A couple tiny slits and they can slip the magnets in. They are really tiny. You don't need much to feel stuff.
Youtube puts it best
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[QUOTE=Zephyrs;42724932]That procedure is remarkably non invasive. A couple tiny slits and they can slip the magnets in. They are really tiny. You don't need much to feel stuff.[/QUOTE]
But incredibly painful, as the fingertips are very sensitive. (Which is also why the magnets are there, as anywhere else and it's harder to feel them.)
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;42724932]That procedure is remarkably non invasive. A couple tiny slits and they can slip the magnets in. They are really tiny. You don't need much to feel stuff.[/QUOTE]
That actually sounds really cool.
I'm sure they thought of it, but won't your body normally reject any foreign object inserted into your body?
I love how this crops up just as I start to garner an interest in transhumanism!
Needless to say, this is pretty stupid.
[QUOTE=Gnomical;42726508]But incredibly painful, as the fingertips are very sensitive. (Which is also why the magnets are there, as anywhere else and it's harder to feel them.)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, according to a forum full of people who do this kind of thing, the only places that have enough nerves in it to work well are your fingertips, lips, and junk.
cochlear way ahead of this stuff
looks even more painful then this:
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I don't think I'd mind cybernetic implants, seems like it could be really useful. This, however, seems a bit crazy. Surely a device just measuring biometric data doesn't need to be the size of an iphone? Or did they build it from an Arduino?
[QUOTE=bravehat;42724299]There's people who have sliced open their finger tips to insert little magnets so they can sense magnetic fields with their finger tips and tell if certain cables and shit are live.[/QUOTE]
that's not really that extreme though, it's a p easy procedure (and i'm probably going to do it soon)
not so much to check if cables are live just for the sensations in general
[editline]1st November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gnomical;42726508]But incredibly painful, as the fingertips are very sensitive. (Which is also why the magnets are there, as anywhere else and it's harder to feel them.)[/QUOTE]
this too, but nerve blocks are becoming more and more available to kinda get past this
[QUOTE=Riller;42724582]"I don't wanna die, I don't get why anybody would!"
WELL GEE, how about you try to not-die by, I don't know, not shoving dirty-ass blocks under your skin and poorly stitching it up?[/QUOTE]
That's not a bad stitching job at all, actually remarkably decent for people who aren't doctors.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;42724716]It's also probably make him unable to fly on airplanes, airport security will certainly raise a few eyebrows at this[/QUOTE]
he says he's been through security and nobody noticed
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;42727289]looks even more painful then this:
[noparse][img]http://jerzygirl45.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/body-mod-101.jpg?w=408&h=272[/img][/noparse][/QUOTE]
How was that appropriate in the context of this thread?
I don't think I'll be getting any biohacks until the circuit boards are thinner than paper. I read somewhere that someone is designing a board that is powered by the flow of your blood, just like a water mill but much much smaller...
[QUOTE=Gustafa;42724783]What did he even gain by doing this? Everything that thing can do internally you can measure externally anyway.[/QUOTE]
this is exactly why NASA spends millions on developing biometric measuring devices, so they can tell everything about you and not have to cut you fucking apart. this guy is stupid, the data he is collecting can be gained by simple biometric monitors on your person, or at the very lease, small flat sensors that connect with the main cpu outside the body. imagine if he updates that thing and screws up the code and the CPU gets hot running along there, hell my phone gets hot just leaving it on charge
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Xavith;42726685]I'm sure they thought of it, but won't your body normally reject any foreign object inserted into your body?[/QUOTE]
na the layers of your skin are fairly thick actually and there's little blood flow except for nerves and capalary action so the body can't really raise an immune response, but Jesus that thing has got to be if not painful, difficult to flex with
It's cool as fuck, but really inefficient.
Humanity really needs to get on with the whole cyborg thing. 108 Billion dead over humanity's history is not something to be proud of.
[QUOTE=Mebit;42730203]It's cool as fuck, but really inefficient.
Humanity really needs to get on with the whole cyborg thing. 108 Billion dead over humanity's history is not something to be proud of.[/QUOTE]
What are you referring to?
He put a thermometer in his arm. Revolutionary.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42724621]I mean, I get the idea, I really do. But if you want to advance transhumanism there are millions of more productive things you could be doing.[/QUOTE]
True that; even though a DIY implant/augmentation sounds kinda cool, it seems like an awful lot of space just for taking one's temperature. I'd expect that kind of functionality being governed by an implant the size of a grape at the outmost.
Personally, I think a more practical augment in this world of "indie wetware" would be something like a wrist-torch; we already have tiny civilian lights that work via LEDs, so a wrist-torch implant would in theory only be the size of a grape, and would probably fit well inside one's wrist, assuming it's more articulate and flexible than a stonking great block of plastic and electronics.
I think that for this next generation of augmentations, that charging would be performed through conduction patches on the skin, since conducting the energy through the skin to the subdermal charge-point probably wouldn't do much good for the skin. It'd probably be better than having sockets implanted where you insert the appropriate plug, since you gotta keep those things away from moisture, although maybe waterproof cap-plugs could keep moisture out when you're not plugged in to the charger or transferring data to an internal databank.
Another thing I'm a little concerned about is if his body's going to end up rejecting the implant, since it's a foreign object.
Christ, this guy's like a real-life Techpriest. Just give him a fancy set of red robes now.
[i]"Ave Omnissiah, Ave Deus Mechanicus"![/i]
Fuck the no anesthetics shit. I cringe at the thought of stubbing my toe on a chair leg, but getting your arm slit open and a big ugly box put in just makes me want to puke.
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