• Former Polish President Wants Union with Germany
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[QUOTE][B]Lech Walesa has called for Poland to unite with Germany to form one European state, despite the bloody history between the two countries.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Although few Poles have forgotten Germany’s invasion and brutal occupation of Poland in 1939, history should not be an obstacle to unity, Mr Walesa said. “After the war, Germany fully confessed to all its dirty tricks,” he said. “It’s necessary to is draw a line under the past, even if people did something evil. Until we do, wounds won’t heal.”[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/10330826/Poland-and-Germany-should-unite-says-Lech-Walesa.html"]Source [/URL] What a strange thing to say, considering the less than Cordial historical relations between them
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-axJTzj0VU[/media] except its Poland wanting it
[QUOTE=The mouse;42305593][URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/10330826/Poland-and-Germany-should-unite-says-Lech-Walesa.html"]Source [/URL] What a strange thing to say, considering the less than Cordial historical relations between them[/QUOTE]Whether or not unification of Germany and Poland is a good idea should not be decided by history, but by how the people alive now in both countries feel about it.
He also recently [url=http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/128799,Lech-Walesa-%E2%80%93-Gays-should-be-made-to-sit-at-the-back-in-parliament]expressed his anti-gay statements and that "gay MPs should sit at the back of the parliament chamber, or even behind a wall."[/url] This guy has made a lot of great things to fight the communism in the 80s, being the face of Solidarity and all, but his presidency and anything after that was a big joke.
Make the Russians cede Königsberg as well.
He actually wants that because we've got shit roads, I'm pretty sure of it.
Prussian Republic? Imagine how imposing it'd look on the political map of Europe. About the same size of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire.
My grandfather was the only person in his family to survive the bombing of Warsaw. He had six brothers and three sisters. There went my ancestry.
that'd be pretty cool tbh
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42305722]Make the Russians cede Königsberg as well.[/QUOTE] For what reason?
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;42305835]For what reason?[/QUOTE] Rightful German clay.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42305841]Rightful German clay.[/QUOTE] It was captured by SU during WW2 and now belongs to Russia. There is no reason why Germany should get it back.
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;42305868]It was captured by SU during WW2 and now belongs to Russia. There is no reason why Germany should get it back.[/QUOTE] Only problem is that the Russians expelled all the Germans who had been living there after they annexed it. I also believe it's a major military base for the Russians and that they even nuclear launchers stationed there. So the only realistic way Germany is getting it back is if there is a major war between NATO and Russia and even then it'll probably be ceded to Poland instead since there's a lot of Poles living there now.
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;42305868]It was captured by SU during WW2 and now belongs to Russia. There is no reason why Germany should get it back.[/QUOTE] It's not connected to Russia and looks absolutely fucking ugly on the map.
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;42305868]It was captured by SU during WW2 and now belongs to Russia. There is no reason why Germany should get it back.[/QUOTE] joke your head also it was originally German.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;42305763]My grandfather was the only person in his family to survive the bombing of Warsaw. He had six brothers and three sisters. There went my ancestry.[/QUOTE] All my ancestors who stayed in Poland were killed by the Germans or the Soviets. The ones that lived were the ones that immigrated to the United States.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42305893]It's not connected to Russia and looks absolutely fucking ugly on the map.[/QUOTE] alaska too
[QUOTE=Hellduck;42305924]alaska too[/QUOTE] Russia sold the Alaska to the USA though. So it makes some sense.
Germany should restore the monarchy and reclaim all its land it lost during WWI.
[QUOTE=krosos8;42305941]Russia sold the Alaska to the America though. So it makes some sense.[/QUOTE] yeah and america should sell it canada so maps look nicer
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;42305885]Only problem is that the Russians expelled all the Germans who had been living there after they annexed it. I also believe it's a major military base for the Russians and that they even nuclear launchers stationed there. So the only realistic way Germany is getting it back is if there is a major war between NATO and Russia and even then it'll probably be ceded to Poland instead since there's a lot of Poles living there now.[/QUOTE] Except Germans don't give a shit about Konigsberg and you'd be hard pressed to find any that would want to move there.
[QUOTE=gonedead0;42305909]joke your head also it was originally German.[/QUOTE] Then the entire European map should be changed too because territories "originally" belonged to other countries back then. Also USA should lose Alaska because it "originally" belonged to Russia.
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;42305947]Then the entire European map should be changed too because territories "originally" belonged to other countries back then. Also USA should lose Alaska because it "originally" belonged to Russia too.[/QUOTE] oh dear [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] it was a joke, deary me
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;42305947]Then the entire European map should be changed too because territories "originally" belonged to other countries back then. Also USA should lose Alaska because it "originally" belonged to Russia too.[/QUOTE] Konigsberg was taken by force by the Soviets. Alaska was sold to the US by the Russian Empire. There is a difference in the trade of territory here.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;42305743]Prussian Republic? Imagine how imposing it'd look on the political map of Europe. About the same size of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire.[/QUOTE] Much larger.
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;42305947]Then the entire European map should be changed too because territories "originally" belonged to other countries back then. Also USA should lose Alaska because it "originally" belonged to Russia.[/QUOTE] The aftermath of ww1 was moving/removing countries borders to fit ethnic groups. The aftermath of ww2 was moving/removing ethnic groups to fit countries borders.
I wonder what effect this kind of "Neo-Prussian Republic" would have on the general state of the European continent? I'm not much of a political-geographical expert, but with all things there'd probably be upsides and downsides.
[QUOTE=gonedead0;42305968]Konigsberg was taken by force by the Soviets.[/QUOTE] It was taken in the context of World War not SU directly invading it. War victors always take up few territories from their defeated enemies.
[QUOTE=ironman17;42305977]I wonder what effect this kind of "Neo-Prussian Republic" would have on the general state of the European continent? I'm not much of a political-geographical expert, but with all things there'd probably be upsides and downsides.[/QUOTE] France would flip their shit.
[QUOTE=gonedead0;42305968]Konigsberg was taken by force by the Soviets. Alaska was sold to the US by the Russian Empire. There is a difference in the trade of territory here.[/QUOTE] I would argue with that "by force". Roosevelt was very liberal with giving away territories to Soviets during Yalta Conference.
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