Vermont woman facing murder charge in car crash, killing a 30-year-old father during a failed suicid
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[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48397855]Good grief, people. Yeah, she did something bad, but calling her a "selfish cunt" and a "dumb bitch" and wishing the worst on her is just a wee bit overboard, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
Killing people because one is depresed is bit overboard too.
She's not in her right mind, but that doesn't mean it's excusable. It just means she's made a very, very big mistake and it's time to understand what happened.
The way I can see it is out of a painful shift of emotions, she turned the wheel hoping to kill herself and ended up taking the life of someone else. She was in the moment and didn't realize what she had done.
I think it's important to try and consider what happened and look at what can be done for the people who are still alive - in this case her. Call it selfish, but what is the alternative? Not doing anything for the person who was out of it enough to do something so heinous?
Putting her in jail isn't the solution. Killing her is a whole other debate I'm not going to get into. And if not either of those, what else is there? She needs to be put into a mental hospital and given the care she needs, especially now that she's committed murder.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48397855]Good grief, people. Yeah, she did something bad, but calling her a "selfish cunt" and a "dumb bitch" and wishing the worst on her is just a wee bit overboard, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
No.
Fuck that cunt, holy shit.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48397855]Good grief, people. Yeah, she did something bad, but calling her a "selfish cunt" and a "dumb bitch" and wishing the worst on her is just a wee bit overboard, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
Killing other people to satisfy your own feelings is disgustingly selfish.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48397855]Good grief, people. Yeah, she did something bad, but calling her a "selfish cunt" and a "dumb bitch" and wishing the worst on her is just a wee bit overboard, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
She deliberately steered into the oncoming traffic to kill herself, knowing full well she'd be taking someone else with her. I've got no sympathy whatsoever.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;48397995]She's not in her right mind, but that doesn't mean it's excusable. It just means she's made a very, very big mistake and it's time to understand what happened.
The way I can see it is out of a painful shift of emotions, she turned the wheel hoping to kill herself and ended up taking the life of someone else. She was in the moment and didn't realize what she had done.
I think it's important to try and consider what happened and look at what can be done for the people who are still alive - in this case her. Call it selfish, but what is the alternative? Not doing anything for the person who was out of it enough to do something so heinous?
Putting her in jail isn't the solution. Killing her is a whole other debate I'm not going to get into. And if not either of those, what else is there? She needs to be put into a mental hospital and given the care she needs, especially now that she's committed murder.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty good. Anything else we'd do at this point would really serve nothing other than a sense of petty 'revenge', and what she needs right now is help, not to be ground down any further than she already has been. When people make decisions to end their lives, they often take it as a snap decision if nothing else.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;48398312]This is pretty good. Anything else we'd do at this point would really serve nothing other than a sense of petty 'revenge', and what she needs right now is help, not to be ground down any further than she already has been. When people make decisions to end their lives, they often take it as a snap decision if nothing else.[/QUOTE]
So if I strangle my wife and son Chris Benoit-style in an insanity-fueled rage, should I, too, be given leniency in the courtroom? Mental sickness sucks, but it should NOT be used to excuse murder in a very clear-cut case of negligence on the woman's part. A father is dead who has absolutely no reason to be and you're trying to say that this woman doesn't deserve any jail time.
There are ways of dealing with depression. Using your car as a fucking 80 mph projectile into the other lane is not one of them. Murder is murder is murder. And yeah, she [i]is[/i] a selfish bitch who didn't give a fuck about the damage she'd leave behind. Guess she gets to see firsthand from her hospital bed, eh?
I only hope she gets life without parole. Here's hoping she dies of old age in prison (the exact opposite of what she wanted), while she receives all the psychiatric assistance she needs. Only [I]then[/I] she may understand the selfishness of her action, and his family may find a glimmer of justice.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48398560]I only hope she gets life without parole. Here's hoping she dies of old age in prison (the exact opposite of what she wanted), while she receives all the psychiatric assistance she needs. Only [I]then[/I] she may understand the selfishness of her action, and his family may find a glimmer of justice.[/QUOTE]
I fully understand the need for punishment, but what would the actual point be in giving her a life sentence? I too get annoyed when emotional responses to a crime are stamped as nothing more than "petty revenge," but you do have to understand the justice system shouldn't function on a bare emotional level. Especially when not everyone's emotions line up.
The question is how much of a threat to society is the person. I don't know this woman or the severity of her psychological problems, but it doesn't seem like it was a crime caused by sociopathy and intentional malice. When people talk about rehabilitation, this seems like a good case for it.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;48398634]The question is how much of a threat to society is the person. I don't know this woman or the severity of her psychological problems, but it doesn't seem like it was a crime caused by sociopathy and intentional malice. When people talk about rehabilitation, this seems like a good case for it.[/QUOTE]
Well, she veered into oncoming traffic and crashed head-on against other car... that should tell you just how dangerous she can get. :/
It's a bit hard to leave emotions out of it, due to the severity of the incident, but I just think it's just better for her that way. She is not to be trusted.
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And needs all the help she can get, for as long as it takes.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48396023]That's one of the reasons I also despise the people who throw themselves under a train, in rush hour. Just to piss off a lot of people. If that's their idea of having a "last laugh before kicking the bucket" or whatever, I have no simpathy for you.
If you are so hell-bent on taking your own life, do it privately, keep it to yourself, and don't make it everyone else's business.
Just my 2 cents on the matter.[/QUOTE]
if you actually think people kill themselves by throwing themselves infront of a train for a laugh then you're literally so dumb it hurts
[editline]7th August 2015[/editline]
newsflash: suicidal people do dumb, irrational stuff
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48398771]if you actually think people kill themselves by throwing themselves infront of a train for a laugh then you're literally so dumb it hurts[/QUOTE]
Re-read what I posted - the entire post, not just a sentence. Whatever issue one may have, it'd be best if they could keep it to themselves. It's a very selfish act, and I just don't want to be (indirectly) part of whatever psychological issue one may have going on. How is that dumb.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48398771]newsflash: suicidal people do dumb, irrational stuff[/QUOTE]
That doesn't entirely excuse her for what she has done, though.
What a dumb bitch.
When I kill myself I'm not going to do it in a way that'll harm anyone.
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;48398958]What a dumb bitch.
When I kill myself I'm not going to do it in a way that'll harm anyone.[/QUOTE]
Please don't kill yourself.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48398797]That doesn't entirely excuse her for what she has done, though.[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn't. But context matters.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48399106]Please don't kill yourself.[/QUOTE]
I've heard that line plenty of times. It's pointless.
The more I learn about life and about humanity, the more appealing suicide becomes. It's inevitable at this point.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48398797]Re-read what I posted - the entire post, not just a sentence. Whatever issue one may have, it'd be best if they could keep it to themselves. It's a very selfish act, and I just don't want to be (indirectly) part of whatever psychological issue one may have going on. How is that dumb.
That doesn't entirely excuse her for what she has done, though.[/QUOTE]
Of course it would be better if people didn't involve others in their suicide. But consider the state of mind you have to be in to even think about killing yourself: you're unstable; you're isolated; the concern of others is irrelevant to you at that moment in time. This doesn't excuse actions, but it does give a reason for them, one that maybe you and others in this thread can take the time to understand instead of just simply labelling people as "selfish" and "dumb."
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;48399267]I've heard that line plenty of times. It's pointless.
The more I learn about life and about humanity, the more appealing suicide becomes. It's inevitable at this point.[/QUOTE]
Did you get the attention you were seeking in this thread?
Sigh, depression doesn't justify this kind of action at all. I used to be very suicidal thinking about every possible way to kill myself from the moment I woke up to when I cried myself to sleep again. For years all I could think about was how to end my life. I used to lie on railroad tracks with my headphones on but never got through it because I couldn't stop thinking about the train driver, I wanted to jump off a roof but couldn't stand the idea of someone scraping my body off the street. I'm such a pussy I couldn't even drown or cut myself. I tied my first hangman's noose when I was just 18 but I didn't want anyone to find me like that either. Best solutions I came up with was carbon monoxide poisoning or driving car into concrete wall or off the bridge in the middle of the night when there was no traffic in the countryside and thought maybe it would look like an accident. I didn't want to hurt anybody else and struggling with that was the worst feeling ever, how could I end myself without causing more pain to anyone else.
Eventually I just couldn't take it anymore and took my parents car and though I'm just gonna drive to a wall and be done with it but my friend figured out what I was doing after my message and somehow I ended up having 3 cop cars chasing me and pushing me into a ditch.
Depression does make you do insane things but I never ever had any intention to hurt anybody else when I was going to do it. Of course it causes pain to relatives but if you aren't selfish asshole you should realize if someone is hurting all the time and just wants to end his pain he probably should be allowed to do so. I often think I should have died 5 years ago in that car but well.. Fuck it, I'm just trying to make others happy while I can and try to enjoy my own life somehow.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48399516]Did you get the attention you were seeking in this thread?[/QUOTE]
Whatever you say, people like you are what's wrong with society.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48397855]Good grief, people. Yeah, she did something bad, but calling her a "selfish cunt" and a "dumb bitch" and wishing the worst on her is just a wee bit overboard, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't wish anything terrible on her aside from guilt, but how is she not selfish? Is calling her "Selfish" somehow "Overboard"?
tell that to the fucking family she killed
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48395650]Sorry, but I'm not buying it. She was well aware of what she was about to do.[/QUOTE]
I believe so too, when you are about to kill yourself, brain wakes up and fills you with adrenaline.
[QUOTE=Fourier;48401996]I believe so too, when you are about to kill yourself, brain wakes up and fills you with adrenaline.[/QUOTE]
I would like some sort of source for that claim. Because looking at all the successful suicides, it doesn't seem to be the case at all.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;48398312]This is pretty good. Anything else we'd do at this point would really serve nothing other than a sense of petty 'revenge', and what she needs right now is help, not to be ground down any further than she already has been. When people make decisions to end their lives, they often take it as a snap decision if nothing else.[/QUOTE]
It's not an either/or situation. It's not just about revenge/payback/punishment OR we help her get better.
The other huge consideration is public safety. She has proven herself to be willing to, and capable of, killing a member of the general public. I don't think anyone has the right to expect the public to prioritize [i]anything[/i] ahead of stopping her from doing it again. This means locking her up. We currently have no other way of guaranteeing she won't do it again except by locking her up.
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;48400354]Whatever you say, people like you are what's wrong with society.[/QUOTE]
Think what you want, but when you see the pale corpse of some 19 year old kid with grotesque ligature marks on his neck it makes you kind of jaded towards crys for attention. Don't kill yourself because I can guarantee whatever you're going through despite it being intensely difficult and seemingly hopeless it's only temporary, and there are ways to overcome. I take suicide very seriously since my whole job is centered around preventing it.
I feel really sad that a father, only 30 years old too, had to die because of some cunt who got tired of living.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;48398312]This is pretty good. Anything else we'd do at this point would really serve nothing other than a sense of petty 'revenge', and what she needs right now is help, not to be ground down any further than she already has been. When people make decisions to end their lives, they often take it as a snap decision if nothing else.[/QUOTE]
The same could be said for people who kill someone in the heat of the moment.
That lady could possibly kill again too
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48397855]Good grief, people. Yeah, she did something bad, but calling her a "selfish cunt" and a "dumb bitch" and wishing the worst on her is just a wee bit overboard, don't you think?[/QUOTE]Yeah there's a lot of disgusting reactionary comments here it's pretty gross.
I'm a bit surprised this happened in Vermont. I mean I can't say the same about New Hampshire, because we have lots of crazy people here, but Vermont is very laid back and in a general sense I would think even suicidal people would end up being much less cruel than this. I know that sounds kind of naive, but when you think about it, there isn't an awful lot of violence in the state, compared to other New England states.
[QUOTE=rulssi;48400119]Sigh, depression doesn't justify this kind of action at all. I used to be very suicidal thinking about every possible way to kill myself from the moment I woke up to when I cried myself to sleep again. For years all I could think about was how to end my life. I used to lie on railroad tracks with my headphones on but never got through it because I couldn't stop thinking about the train driver, I wanted to jump off a roof but couldn't stand the idea of someone scraping my body off the street. I'm such a pussy I couldn't even drown or cut myself. I tied my first hangman's noose when I was just 18 but I didn't want anyone to find me like that either. Best solutions I came up with was carbon monoxide poisoning or driving car into concrete wall or off the bridge in the middle of the night when there was no traffic in the countryside and thought maybe it would look like an accident. I didn't want to hurt anybody else and struggling with that was the worst feeling ever, how could I end myself without causing more pain to anyone else.
Eventually I just couldn't take it anymore and took my parents car and though I'm just gonna drive to a wall and be done with it but my friend figured out what I was doing after my message and somehow I ended up having 3 cop cars chasing me and pushing me into a ditch.
Depression does make you do insane things but I never ever had any intention to hurt anybody else when I was going to do it. Of course it causes pain to relatives but if you aren't selfish asshole you should realize if someone is hurting all the time and just wants to end his pain he probably should be allowed to do so. I often think I should have died 5 years ago in that car but well.. Fuck it, I'm just trying to make others happy while I can and try to enjoy my own life somehow.[/QUOTE]
I am all too familiar with these exact thoughts as well....at least I've put this behind me and it all happened years ago in my mid teens.
I remember walking along my local nature trail, looking for a spot to slit my throat/stab myself/etc., but kept thinking of what shit people in the nearby houses would have to deal with....discovering a corpse, having police investigate and maybe even question them. Granted it wouldn't be right in the backyard of a house, but they were close enough that you could see the trail. That was enough to make me reconsider. Even in my darkest hours, I'd still desire to end things with as little mutual damage as possible. Still, I think I can just barely grasp her fucking twisted line of thinking with wanting to drive in to oncoming traffic.
It's terrible, and still would produce some sort of crazy reactions in her head as she went through with it. But, she must have felt so awful in those moments, emotion fully took over and all she knew was doing something [I]now[/I], [I]anything,[/I] to kill yourself. As if anything remotely deadly will do.
Still, I think it's incredibly fucked, and definitely makes me mildy paranoid, since this has a possibility, even if the probability is small, of happening on any major road really.
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