Vermont woman facing murder charge in car crash, killing a 30-year-old father during a failed suicid
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[QUOTE=rulssi;48400119]Sigh, depression doesn't justify this kind of action at all. I used to be very suicidal thinking about every possible way to kill myself from the moment I woke up to when I cried myself to sleep again. For years all I could think about was how to end my life. I used to lie on railroad tracks with my headphones on but never got through it because I couldn't stop thinking about the train driver, I wanted to jump off a roof but couldn't stand the idea of someone scraping my body off the street. I'm such a pussy I couldn't even drown or cut myself. I tied my first hangman's noose when I was just 18 but I didn't want anyone to find me like that either. Best solutions I came up with was carbon monoxide poisoning or driving car into concrete wall or off the bridge in the middle of the night when there was no traffic in the countryside and thought maybe it would look like an accident. I didn't want to hurt anybody else and struggling with that was the worst feeling ever, how could I end myself without causing more pain to anyone else.
Eventually I just couldn't take it anymore and took my parents car and though I'm just gonna drive to a wall and be done with it but my friend figured out what I was doing after my message and somehow I ended up having 3 cop cars chasing me and pushing me into a ditch.
Depression does make you do insane things but I never ever had any intention to hurt anybody else when I was going to do it. Of course it causes pain to relatives but if you aren't selfish asshole you should realize if someone is hurting all the time and just wants to end his pain he probably should be allowed to do so. I often think I should have died 5 years ago in that car but well.. Fuck it, I'm just trying to make others happy while I can and try to enjoy my own life somehow.[/QUOTE]
I would imagine she was thinking, "JUST DO IT JUST DO IT" and did it without trying to think it through - specifically so she could bait herself into killing herself. Killing yourself is probably easier when you don't think about it.
I drove by this. Terrible. Gruesome.
After I passed they shut down 89 in that area completely
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48395576]That's literally the first thing I wondered. What a fucking awful person driving into oncoming traffic.[/QUOTE]
My only guess is that it's not a rational plan. Instead probably some sort of depression attack whihc makes them go and try and kill themselves right now.
A lot of suicides aren't preplanned, the person just has a longterm depression.
C'mon its so easy to kill yourself without having to make someone take a hit for it, cunt.
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;48404737]C'mon its so easy to kill yourself without having to make someone take a hit for it, cunt.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand, did you miss my post? Or do you want to engage just enough to say something and not care for why things like this occur?
I don't get the mentality of seeing something like this, or a murder case and just saying, "Disgusting!" Wanna try again and be a little more insightful? She's obviously not in her right mind so how easy you may think it is is irrelevant and incorrect.
Yeah, it's selfish and shitty, but if someone is not in their right mind and finds some way to stop thinking for just enough to impulsively attempt to commit suicide, there's more to the story than just "being a cunt".
I know suicidal people don't think rationally, but there has to be more reliable methods of suicide like, say, jumping off a bridge? Or hell, just jump in front of a train. You may make someone feel terrible with that method, but at least you aren't killing anyone inside the train.
Perhaps though she was just in the heat of the moment while in the car, and had a terrible thought and make a split second decision. Thinking about that, I doubt she got in the car going "I'm going to commit suicide by driving into oncoming traffic today", otherwise she might have gone for a more painless method. She made a dumb, irrational spur of the moment decision, which you can be more likely to do while suicidal. She might not be a horrible person at heart and what she did probably made her depression worse, but man did she fuck up.
Look at it like this:
Some people who suffer chronic pain are willing to do all kinds of drastic things in order to make it stop. They’ll sign up for radical surgeries, take dangerous drugs, even have parts of their bodies removed.
If the source of pain is [I]your brain[/I] and the locus of pain is [I]your entire life…[/I]
The only time I consider suicide selfish is when the person tries to do it in a fashion that can a) harm other people in the process such as this bitch and/or b) make sure as many people as possible know they're killing themselves.
If you want to kill yourself and there's no way of convincing you otherwise, please just hang yourself in the confines of your home or jump off a bridge in the middle of the night instead of crashing into oncoming traffic or jumping in front of a busy subway car or something like that.
Holy shit some of these posts are fucking toxic
I've attempted suicide. Part of my rehabilitation was being educated on what happens after you die, how much resources are taken up, how much people you thought didn't care about you are put through, and a bunch of other things. It's an incredibly selfish gesture, even when you think you're doing it without affecting anyone.
It boggles my mind that this could even be taken to the next level. She deserves what she gets, this is outside the realm of mental illness and into the realm of criminal stupidity. Being suicidal doesn't grant you the right to do things that harm other people, and that's where the law is concerned. She killed someone. She cannot be permitted to operate in society anymore, mental illness treatable or otherwise.
On the flipside, if she gets convicted, which she should, she'll receive proper psychiatric care for a very long time, which is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48405280]I know suicidal people don't think rationally, but there has to be more reliable methods of suicide like, say, jumping off a bridge? Or hell, just jump in front of a train. You may make someone feel terrible with that method, but at least you aren't killing anyone inside the train.[/QUOTE]
Don't force the poor train driver into that. Front seat to a person smashing against your windshield, powerless to do anything about it.
Seems like something that would give ptsd.
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;48400354]Whatever you say, people like you are what's wrong with society.[/QUOTE]
Seek help
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48407168]Don't force the poor train driver into that. Front seat to a person smashing against your windshield, powerless to do anything about it.
Seems like something that would give ptsd.[/QUOTE]
There's an industry standard mandatory time off with paid counseling. You're also trained to expect it to happen.
At least, that's what I've heard through the grapevine. Doesn't mean you should do it, but the train drivers are at least cared for in these incidents
Does Vermont not have trees or other solid objects on the side of the road?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;48398312]This is pretty good. Anything else we'd do at this point would really serve nothing other than a sense of petty 'revenge', and what she needs right now is help, not to be ground down any further than she already has been. When people make decisions to end their lives, they often take it as a snap decision if nothing else.[/QUOTE]
dude
she KILLED SOMEONE
at the very least she needs to be locked up for a long time for the safety of EVERYONE ELSE
[QUOTE=JesseR92;48408132]Does Vermont not have trees or other solid objects on the side of the road?[/QUOTE]
Not between both directions on 89. There are sections with barricades or trees but a lot of it is just grass
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48395650]Sorry, but I'm not buying it. She was well aware of what she was about to do.[/QUOTE]
bet she thought she'd die in the accident and people would think it was an accident/mechanical problem
[QUOTE=FFStudios;48409085]bet she thought she'd die in the accident and people would think it was an accident/mechanical problem[/QUOTE]
I agree. I used to drive as my friend once said "Like it's a Nintendo game". No seatbelt, speeding, running lights, you name it, I did it. Not suicidal, just not giving any fucks. Sometimes people would ask me "What if you hit someone?" and my answer was always "The way I drive? IF I crash into anything I'll be dead so why would I care?"
Needless to say I don't have that attitude anymore and haven't had it for a long time.
So I think it's more than possible she didn't care because she was planning to die in the crash, therefore whatever wreckage she leaves behind in this life was irrelevant to her.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48398295]Killing other people to satisfy your own feelings is disgustingly selfish.[/QUOTE]
I see you've never had experience with suicidal people or have been suicidal. I doubt she wanted to hurt anyone. Sometimes when you're that depressed you act in the heat of the moment.
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I doubt she even entered her vehicle with the intent to kill herself. It's far my likely that she let her thoughts wander too far while she was driving and acted on impulse.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48405280]I know suicidal people don't think rationally, but there has to be more reliable methods of suicide like, say, jumping off a bridge? Or hell, just jump in front of a train. You may make someone feel terrible with that method, but at least you aren't killing anyone inside the train.
Perhaps though she was just in the heat of the moment while in the car, and had a terrible thought and make a split second decision. Thinking about that, I doubt she got in the car going "I'm going to commit suicide by driving into oncoming traffic today", otherwise she might have gone for a more painless method. She made a dumb, irrational spur of the moment decision, which you can be more likely to do while suicidal. She might not be a horrible person at heart and what she did probably made her depression worse, but man did she fuck up.[/QUOTE]
Even jumping in front of train can scar driver for life.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48395925]What exactly needs to be proved? I hope you're not in the "suicide is always preventable camp" , you realize that despite how much Doctors try you're going to have people attempt or complete suicide regardless? There's literally no way of preventing everyone from attempting suicide but I'd like to hear your recommendations for improved since we're doing so bad.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48396099]Oh come off it, people aren't disgusted with her because she's "evil."
People are disgusted with her because her response to something millions of people fight every day, often silently or with the help of other people, is to [I]murder someone.[/I]
She had options, and she decided to choose the single worst one. If that's not a reason to hate someone, I don't know what is.
Mental health in the US needs work, but what thought process possibly made you think this girl was the right one to use as your banner.[/QUOTE]
"My banner", what. My issue with the reaction people have is that it's completely unproductive, you fucking monkeys can beat your chest and rant about how evil this person was and you'll never even try to approach the cause for something like this. Often people end up rotting in jail or on the side of the street when they could be helped, even if thats not always the case. No, it's not possible to prevent every suicide, yes it is possible to improve the statistics a hell of a lot with cheaper access to casual mental healthcare. Im not talking about forcing people into a psyche ward, one of the big failings today is the lack of cheap/free, casual, easily accessible places to go. Stuff that wont increase your stress and anxiety about going, or break your budget and not be covered by health insurance.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;48396125]People bring this up in every thread but the question is how? Improved accessibility? Lower costs? If anything the biggest factor is probably the social stigma towards mental issues and not a lack of mental healthcare.[/QUOTE]
The stigma is a big factor but it's reinforced by several cost issues and misapplication of medication, see above.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;48414624]I doubt she even entered her vehicle with the intent to kill herself. It's far my likely that she let her thoughts wander too far while she was driving and acted on impulse.[/QUOTE]
What's the point of this post tbh
Acting impulsively or not only determines the degree of murder, not whether or not it was a crime
Being suicidal does not justify killing someone
[QUOTE=Sonador;48415014]What's the point of this post tbh
Acting impulsively or not only determines the degree of murder, not whether or not it was a crime
Being suicidal does not justify killing someone[/QUOTE]
I never attempted to justify the act. I merely disputed the assumption he made that she did this to inflict pain on others.
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