[QUOTE=Zeke129;34500135]Gender identity is established by three years of age, if you had bothered to read the sentence
and lol, the wrong gendered pronoun has now devolved into "it"[/QUOTE]
I read the sentence, and I'm still curious. If you had bothered to read my sentence, I'm talking about the kid. How the kid established its gender identity? playing dress up or some shit at a young age or something?
and I used "it" so people wouldn't jump on my ass and cry "OMFG OFFENSIVE OFFENSIVE GOD YOU ARE SO OFFENSIVE AND EVIL GOD I HOPE YOU DIE YOU SEXIST SCUM" if I were to say he on accident or some shit. Then again, people are probably gonna jump on my ass for saying "it" too... Oh well.
[QUOTE=Protection;34500265]I read the sentence, and I'm still curious. If you had bothered to read my sentence, I'm talking about the kid. How the kid established its gender identity? playing dress up or some shit at a young age or something?
and I used "it" so people wouldn't jump on my ass and cry "OMFG OFFENSIVE OFFENSIVE GOD YOU ARE SO OFFENSIVE AND EVIL GOD I HOPE YOU DIE YOU SEXIST SCUM" if I were to say he on accident or some shit. Then again, people are probably gonna jump on my ass for saying "it" too... Oh well.[/QUOTE]
Um, because "it" is a pretty fucking offensive thing to call a person.
[QUOTE=Protection;34500265]I read the sentence, and I'm still curious. If you had bothered to read my sentence, I'm talking about the kid. How the kid established its gender identity? playing dress up or some shit at a young age or something?
and I used "it" so people wouldn't jump on my ass and cry "OMFG OFFENSIVE OFFENSIVE GOD YOU ARE SO OFFENSIVE AND EVIL GOD I HOPE YOU DIE YOU SEXIST SCUM" if I were to say he on accident or some shit. Then again, people are probably gonna jump on my ass for saying "it" too... Oh well.[/QUOTE]
The child is a she, pure and simple, no if or buts about it.
And the gender identity is what you feel you are, at that age, she felt she was female, do you tell if you are male by what you do, or what you know you are?
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34500293]Um, because "it" is a pretty fucking offensive thing to call a person.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Regarding me as "it" instead of "she" is a very, very offensive thing to do. It's like I don't even deserve to be called a person.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34500001]. I'm doing work in uni on gender politics in english lit[/QUOTE]
Well, exactly. Not many people know as much as you do about gender dysphoria, it's only a tiny niche group that do. But you and a lot of people here can't seem to accept that, it's like you expect everyone else to have the level of knowledge on this topic as you do and then you're telling them that they can't discuss the subject just because they don't. And that's plain rude imo. What is your problem with people not understanding as much about a niche topic as you? It's just silly.
I can easily say that you and most others here don't have much of an understanding of Welsh culture, but i'm not going to brush away your opinions, look down on you, think of you as a bigot, and tell you that you can't discuss it just because you're not an expert on the topic. That's the definition of elitism, and you're being an elitist.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34500001]yeah, uneducated opinions with a lack of basis[/QUOTE]
Opinions are opinions.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34500001]If these people of repute are telling you facts and you're ignoring them [/QUOTE]
Please tell me where have I done this?
[QUOTE=Protection;34500265]I read the sentence, and I'm still curious. If you had bothered to read my sentence, I'm talking about the kid. How the kid established its gender identity? playing dress up or some shit at a young age or something?
and I used "it" so people wouldn't jump on my ass and cry "OMFG OFFENSIVE OFFENSIVE GOD YOU ARE SO OFFENSIVE AND EVIL GOD I HOPE YOU DIE YOU SEXIST SCUM" if I were to say he on accident or some shit. Then again, people are probably gonna jump on my ass for saying "it" too... Oh well.[/QUOTE]
Also you really seem like the kind of person who would think that gay people became gay because they experimented with gay sex, as opposed to them simply being gay.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34500203]
lol[/QUOTE]
Well for the most part I was only extrapolating official dictionary defintions and common scientific knowledge
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34500293]Um, because "it" is a pretty fucking offensive thing to call a person.[/QUOTE]
Not trying to be offensive to anybody, but we are all "its" if you think about it.
[QUOTE=nekosune;34500340]do you tell if you are male by what you do, or what you know you are?[/QUOTE]
Both.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34500379]Also you really seem like the kind of person who would think that gay people became gay because they experimented with gay sex, as opposed to them simply being gay.[/QUOTE]
I'm gay, and that's a whole different thing you are talking about there.
[QUOTE=Protection;34500435]Not trying to be offensive to anybody, but we are all "its" if you think about it.
Both.[/QUOTE]
yes, and that girl knows she is female, and so tries to do female stuff / act female.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34500293]Um, because "it" is a pretty fucking offensive thing to call a person.[/QUOTE]
Yes to their face, but not just in referring to someone
[QUOTE=Protection;34500435]Not trying to be offensive to anybody, but we are all "its" if you think about it.[/QUOTE]
It's still extremely offensive to refer to someone you KNOW identifies themselves as a female as an "it" simply because you have some kind of aversion to referring to her as a female.
[editline]1st February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RobbL;34500462]Yes to their face, but not just in referring to someone[/QUOTE]
Um no it's still pretty offensive.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34500462]Yes to their face, but not just in referring to someone[/QUOTE]
"It's not offensive if it's behind their back." Great outlook to have.
[QUOTE=Protection;34500435]
I'm gay, and that's a whole different thing you are talking about there.[/QUOTE]
No it's not actually.
Nobody chooses their gender identity. They are either male or female.
The same way nobody chooses their sexuality. Nobody chose to be gay or straight, they just are.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34500353]Opinions are opinions.[/QUOTE]
Until they're proven wrong by facts as has happened multiple times throughout this thread.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34500353]Well, exactly. Not many people know as much as you do about gender dysphoria, it's only a tiny niche group that do. But you and a lot of people here can't seem to accept that, it's like you expect everyone else to have the level of knowledge on this topic as you do and then you're telling them that they can't discuss the subject just because they don't. And that's plain rude imo. What is your problem with people not understanding as much about a niche topic as you? It's just silly.
I can easily say that you and most others here don't have much of an understanding of Welsh culture, but i'm not going to brush away your opinions, look down on you, think of you as a bigot, and tell you that you can't discuss it just because you're not an expert on the topic. That's the definition of elitism, and you're being an elitist.[/QUOTE]
the thing is, I know I don't know shit about welsh culture, so I don't talk on it. That's what I'm trying to say
[QUOTE=nekosune;34500218]A few of the posts in this thread seem to fit STRAIGHT into theese categories: [url]http://widdershinsgirl.tumblr.com/post/16879610400/types-of-cis-bigots-i-am-quite-tired-of-a-bit-of-a[/url][/QUOTE]
That person seems really self-entitled, but that's just my opinion
[QUOTE=Protection;34500265]I read the sentence, and I'm still curious. If you had bothered to read my sentence, I'm talking about the kid. How the kid established its gender identity? playing dress up or some shit at a young age or something?
[/QUOTE]
the same way you established yours, it just sort of happened that way.
It's people like this (by which I mean the girl's father) that make me afraid of even thinking about stuff like gender identity.
I was having an argument in this other thread last month I think, and the thing is it was exactly the opposite of what's happening here. It was called 'Jewdozers gynaecology clinic' and it was an ms paint thread full of images of -now i'm not exaggerating here- nazi rape gorefests. Or in other words, images of extreme violence and racism. I start suggesting that the whole thing is sadistic and cold, and I get a flood of negative responses saying stuff like "go back to stroking your pet cat you demasculated senile" and how sensitive and un-manly I was. Now in this thread i'm suggesting everyone here is being over sensitive about the topic in question, and I get a flood of negative responses saying the exact opposite. It's a mindfuck being an average guy sometimes. You just can't win.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34500543]No it's not actually.
Nobody chooses their gender identity. They are either male or female.
The same way nobody chooses their sexuality. Nobody chose to be gay or straight, they just are.[/QUOTE]
shit you got me there
so all these people CHOOSING to be straight and not gay don't exist?
you really stumped me there god damn
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34500709]How come people in this thread can be as bigoted and ignorant as they want to, but anyone using the words "nigger" or "faggot" towards blacks/gays get banned for racism/homophobia?
It's pretty disturbing seeing how some of you have an attitude not even fit for the 1800s.
What is the problem with referring to a transgendered/genderqueer/etc person as their preferred gender? If your cousin came out as a MTF transgender, would you still call the person "him" just to rub it in?
"look what a moron he thinks he's a girl lmao!!"[/QUOTE]
I have a better question, why even take offense to any of that shit?
I'm native american and black, I get called a nigger, a wagon burner, etc. and I don't take any offense to it because I know they are just words. It's not like they are burning a cross on my front lawn and hanging all of my family members or something.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34500928]I was having an argument in this other thread last month I think, and the thing is it was exactly the opposite of what's happening here. It was called 'Jewdozers gynaecology clinic' and it was an ms paint thread full of images of -now i'm not exaggerating here- nazi rape gorefests. Or in other words, images of extreme violence and racism. I start suggesting that the whole thing is sadistic and cold, and I get a flood of negative responses saying stuff like "go back to stroking your pet cat you demasculated senile" and how sensitive and un-manly I was. Now in this thread i'm suggesting everyone here is being over sensitive about the topic in question, and I get a flood of negative responses saying the exact opposite. It's a mindfuck being an average guy sometimes. You just can't win.[/QUOTE]
uhhhh Jewdozer is a well known member of the site, everyone knows about his comics, they're intentionally inflammatory and that's why he does them, there's no point anyone getting angry at his stuff because he doesn't mean any of it
whereas you're making claims without thinking through what you're saying properly and just coming off as quite silly
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34500969]uhhhh Jewdozer is a well known member of the site, everyone knows about his comics, they're intentionally inflammatory and that's why he does them, there's no point anyone getting angry at his stuff because he doesn't mean any of it
whereas you're making claims without thinking through what you're saying properly and just coming off as quite silly[/QUOTE]
His comics are intentionally insensitive, you're being intentionally oversensitive. The point remains. I wasn't actually getting angry at Jewdozer himself, more the other users of that thread who were posting worse images and saying horrible things to me.
[QUOTE=Protection;34500960]shit you got me there
so all these people CHOOSING to be straight and not gay don't exist?
you really stumped me there god damn[/QUOTE]
You don't choose to be gay.
You can choose to perform gay acts but you cannot choose your sexuality.
The closest thing to being able to "choose" is being bisexual, and that isn't really a choice either since it just means you are attracted to both sexes.
Honestly though I'm just putting you on ignore up to this point because I think you are just being a troll.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34501057]His comics are intentionally insensitive, you're being intentionally oversensitive. The point remains. I wasn't actually getting angry at Jewdozer himself, more the other users of that thread who were posting worse images and saying horrible things to me.[/QUOTE]
no the point doesn't remain really, Jewdozer goes 'how can I make something horrific and offensive as possible?' then does it, you just jumped into a discussion on a topic that's rife with issues and started spouting your opinions off without any real consideration. I'm not being intentionally oversensitive at all, I'm not upset in any way I'm just saying that if I didn't know anything about welsh culture, I wouldn't come in here talking about how Welsh people are x and y, because I'd come off as an idiot.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34500969]uhhhh Jewdozer is a well known member of the site, everyone knows about his comics, they're intentionally inflammatory and that's why he does them, there's no point anyone getting angry at his stuff because he doesn't mean any of it
whereas you're making claims without thinking through what you're saying properly and just coming off as quite silly[/QUOTE]
"Oh images of extreme violence and racism that's cool"
"OH MY GOD HE JUST CALLED A TRANSGENDER PERSON BY THEIR SEX AND NOT THEIR GENDER, NOW THAT'S JUST TAKING THINGS TOO FAR!"
[QUOTE=RobbL;34501130]"Oh images of extreme violence and racism that's cool"
"OH MY GOD HE JUST CALLED A TRANSGENDER PERSON BY THEIR SEX AND NOT THEIR GENDER, NOW THAT'S JUST TAKING THINGS TOO FAR!"[/QUOTE]
once again, Jewdozer does it [I]because[/I] it's offensive, he's not a racist or anything himself. You started going off about a subject like this genuinely, that's the big difference
[QUOTE=RobbL;34501130]"Oh images of extreme violence and racism that's cool"
"OH MY GOD HE JUST CALLED A TRANSGENDER PERSON BY THEIR SEX AND NOT THEIR GENDER, NOW THAT'S JUST TAKING THINGS TOO FAR!"[/QUOTE]
This just in. Facepunch is The Many.
Hold on guys I can hear the song of life.
Our unity is full of wonder, which your tiny individualism cannot even conceive.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34500462]Yes to their face, but not just in referring to someone[/QUOTE]
So if I refer to you as stupid behind your back it's okay?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34501126]Jewdozer goes 'how can I [be] offensive as possible?' [/QUOTE]
Everyone was accusing acds of doing exactly that earlier on in the thread and he got completed slated for it. What's with the double standards?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34501126]if I didn't know anything about welsh culture, I wouldn't come in here talking about how Welsh people are x and y, because I'd come off as an idiot.[/QUOTE]
I never said transgenders are x or y, at no point in this thread have I insulted them. Obviously if I did, it would be an understandable cause of offense
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34501175]This just in. Facepunch is The Many.
Hold on guys I can hear the song of life.
Our unity is full of wonder, which your tiny individualism cannot even conceive.[/QUOTE]
No, I was referring to strayebyrd in both examples, that's why I quoted him
[QUOTE=HorizoN;34501187]So if I refer to you as stupid behind your back it's okay?[/QUOTE]
Calling someone 'it' is usually a result of laziness, not prejudice or discrimination
[QUOTE=RobbL;34501386]
Calling someone 'it' is usually a result of laziness, not prejudice or discrimination[/QUOTE]
What? How is "I'm too lazy to refer to you by your gender that I know you identify by" an excuse?
And no it's not "usually a result of laziness". It is almost always an act of demeaning someone, to call them less than human.
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