[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34502667]What are you even..
Nobody decides or chooses to be gay
Nor transgendered
Nor black
Nor white
Nor nigerian
Nor norwegian[/QUOTE]
I think it's just an issue of fiddly semantics, technically every gay person "became" gay at one point just like every straight person "became" straight, doesn't mean it was a choice whatsoever
[editline]1st February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34502670]I've heard of rare cases where someone becomes gay later in life.
They don't become gay by choice though, it's something that just happens.[/QUOTE]
Or that's just called realizing you're gay late and deciding to not suppress it any longer
You can have straight sex for 30 years and be gay the whole time
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34502707]Their environment.[/QUOTE]
Normally I try to get a rise out of all of the people who are about to jump down your throat; but I feel like doing it differently today.
You can't "catch" the gay. Unless you grab them of course.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34502707]Their environment.[/QUOTE]
The environment doesn't make you gay or transgendered.
This would be pretty massive news if something could externally turn you gay or straight.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34502771]Well that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about social pressure and such.[/QUOTE]
I've been pressured into going into a gay bar once, but that hasn't changed my sexuality from hetero. I can't think of anything that could "change" someone to being gay unless they were already a closet gay in the first place.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34502783]Bad wording, read above.[/QUOTE]
Now you're calling it "social pressure" which is also an external force.
Which is still incorrect.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34502386]Maybe you should attempt to understand it's not that bloody easy being reminded you're trapped in your own body every second of your life?[/QUOTE]
Isn't everyone trapped in their own body? What exactly do you mean by that?
Anyway, I fail to see how some of you here manage to deal with the real world being as oversensitive as you are.
Just accept that not everyone is going to understand you completely and treat you the exact way you want to be treated.
I know this is just another opinion, but I think you're being way too idealistic.
Now I'm not saying you should be pessimistic, but face reality. Overreacting at the smallest things is not going to help anyone. I'm sorry if I've come across a bit of a dick and I've never meant to cause offence, but accept the fact that majority of people are not as open minded as you would like them to be. That's life haha.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34502846]Ah well, tell me what factors that makes a person turn out homosexual.[/QUOTE]
The same factor that made you turn out straight (i'm assuming you are).
Sexuality is a biological trait. Some people are straight and some people are gay.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34502846]Ah well, tell me what factors that makes a person turn out homosexual.[/QUOTE]
I'd guess its tendencies based on their genetic makeup. We all have a mix between male and female hormones/chromozones or whatever they're called.
(It may be that) bisexuals are in the middle of the range of one of these factors. It may even be something we don't know about.
Thinking realistically though, I am almost certain it is a physical factor of something.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34502887]Isn't everyone trapped in their own body? What exactly do you mean by that?
[/QUOTE]
I'm as confused.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34502783]Bad wording, read above.[/QUOTE]
I doubt anyone's being pressured into being gay today, if anything it's the exact polar opposite. The world is an absolutely terrible environment for gays and trasngenders, with all the bigotry and discrimination that still exists. I don't see the majority of people pressuring someone to change their gender.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34502887]Isn't everyone trapped in their own body? What exactly do you mean by that?
Anyway, I fail to see how some of you here manage to deal with the real world being as oversensitive as you are.
Just accept that not everyone is going to understand you and treat you the exact way you want to be treated.
I know this is just another opinion, but I think you're being way too idealistic.
Now I'm not saying you should be pessimistic, but face reality. Overreacting at the smallest things is not going to help anyone. I'm sorry if I've come across a bit of a dick and I've never meant to cause offence, but accept the fact that majority of people are not as open minded as you would like them to be. That's life haha.[/QUOTE]
yeah but you're trapped in a body that feels right
we're not over-sensitive, you're just going out of your way to be overtly contrarian and it's honestly quite obnoxious really.
[QUOTE=SNNS-SEAN;34502910]I doubt anyone's being pressured into being gay today, if anything it's the exact polar opposite. The world is an absolutely terrible environment for gays and trasngenders, with all the bigotry and discrimination that still exists. I don't see the majority of people pressuring someone to change their gender.[/QUOTE]
Every time I have ever asked someone who believes sexuality is based on the environment about this fact they have never been able to give me an answer.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34502892]The same factor that made you turn out straight (i'm assuming you are).
Sexuality is a biological trait. Some people are straight and some people are gay.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not quite that straightforward. There are more positions to be at than just homosexual and heterosexual, and even then there's a spectrum between the two.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34502942]Every time I have ever asked someone who believes sexuality is based on the environment about this fact they have never been able to give me an answer.[/QUOTE]
Environment could be a factor. For example, drinking bottled water increases your estrogen levels. Though, if that is enough to change whether or not someone is gay; they were likely pretty much there anyway. So; we will never know.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34502962]Well it's not quite that straightforward. There are more positions to be at than just homosexual and heterosexual, and even then there's a spectrum between the two.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah. And of course there is the complete absence of sexuality as well.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34503009]Always thought that it was psychological and social factors that made people gay. Gosh, I feel really stupid now.[/QUOTE]
It's far more likely that psychological and social factors change whether or not they choose to identify as gay. People may be more likely to stay in the closet due to social stigma, or a previous bad experience with someone who was homosexual.
Transgenders however, I still don't understand. Could someone explain what causes someone to identify as another gender?
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34502966]Environment could be a factor. For example, drinking bottled water increases your estrogen levels.[/QUOTE]
uh
estrogen doesn't make you gay
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34503009]Always thought that it was psychological and social factors that made people gay. Gosh, I feel really stupid now.[/QUOTE]
It's a mixture of a lot of things, probably even somewhat those two things, but all that matters is that your sexuality has developed before you have a chance to change it
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34502966]Environment could be a factor. For example, drinking bottled water increases your estrogen levels. Though, if that is enough to change whether or not someone is gay; they were likely pretty much there anyway. So; we will never know.[/QUOTE]
There are people with high estrogen levels who are straight (or gay if they are a woman).
Estrogen has no effect on sexuality.
"Lesbians were forced to submit to hysterectomies and estrogen injections, although it became clear that neither of these had any effect on their sexual orientation."
I have no problem with transgenderism, people have one life and can live it how they wish; [i]however[/i], we're all kidding ourselves if we actually think somebody who wishes to be a certain gener [i]actually is[/i] that gender.
Those who are rating me dumb are clearly naive and ignorant. The statement I made was fair and balanced.
[QUOTE=somescripter;34503082]I have no problem with transgenderism, people have one life and can live it how they wish; [I]however[/I], we're all kidding ourselves if we actually think somebody who wishes to be a certain sex, [I]is[/I] that sex.[/QUOTE]
but if they want to be associated with that gender, that's all that really matters
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34502940]yeah but you're trapped in a body that feels right
we're not over-sensitive, you're just going out of your way to be overtly contrarian and it's honestly quite obnoxious really.[/QUOTE]
If you go back through this thread its like an Aladdin's cave of overreactions, trust me
[QUOTE=somescripter;34503082]I have no problem with transgenderism, people have one life and can live it how they wish; [i]however[/i], we're all kidding ourselves if we actually think somebody who wishes to be a certain gener [i]actually is[/i] that gender. If you were born a male, then you [i]are[/i] a male. There is absolutely no denying it, but that doesn't mean people who wish to be the opposite gender cannot pretend to be without other people judging them.[/QUOTE]
Yet again using the term gender interchangeably with sex.
[I]They do not mean the same thing.[/I]
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34503105]but if they want to be associated with that gender, that's all that really matters[/QUOTE]
Yes, but to what level are they that gender? For example, they were physically born male, identified as a female, and had a sex change operation.
Are they female in all aspects? Or simply a transgendered male who identifies as female?
[QUOTE=somescripter;34503082]I have no problem with transgenderism, people have one life and can live it how they wish; [i]however[/i], we're all kidding ourselves if we actually think somebody who wishes to be a certain gener [i]actually is[/i] that gender.[/QUOTE]
We're talking about gender identity. And people can have their biological sex changed.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34503140]If you go back through this thread its like an Aladdin's cave of overreactions, trust me[/QUOTE]
because of your overt contrarian attitude and refusal to leave it alone
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34503149]Yes, but to what level are they that gender? For example, they were physically born male, identified as a female, and had a sex change operation.
Are they female in all aspects? Or simply a transgendered male who identifies as female?[/QUOTE]
who cares?
if they wanna call themselves male, female, or neither, or both it's really not up to anyone to try and refute that.
hell i'll take sandmonster as a gender.
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34503149]Yes, but to what level are they that gender? For example, they were physically born male, identified as a female, and had a sex change operation.
Are they female in all aspects? Or simply a transgendered male who identifies as female?[/QUOTE]
honestly I can't say, all I know is that I would address them as female
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34503149]Yes, but to what level are they that gender? For example, they were physically born male, identified as a female, and had a sex change operation.
Are they female in all aspects? Or simply a transgendered male who identifies as female?[/QUOTE]
What makes a female a female?
Before you say the ability to reproduce as a female keep in mind that not all women are capable of that.
It would imply that a woman who becomes barren is no longer a woman.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34503160]We're talking about gender identity. And people can have their biological sex changed.[/QUOTE]
They will never be a female unless they: have legitimate breasts (that can milk), have a vagina, have periods, and have or atleast had the ability to get pregnant. [i]Never.[/i]
[QUOTE=thisispain;34503180]who cares?
if they wanna call themselves male, female, or neither, or both it's really not up to anyone to try and refute that.
hell i'll take sandmonster as a gender.[/QUOTE]
I want that as my sex
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