Let me get one thing straight, say i'm a transwoman. Am I right in saying that it's the general rule that I should be referred to as a she, and in a cultural sense and as a person I am a 'female', but when talked about biologically or scientifically, I am technically my birth sex, a male?
Because that's what's been i've been confused about all along, and no one's actually given me a straight forward answer. Instead you just criticise me for not being an expert on the topic.
I mean if ultimately you want everyone to accept and understand transgenders, keeping up that elitist attitude is not going to help
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If this is true than I guess there's a high probability your next sister will become a transgender man/boy.
Still you should NEVER force your sister into male behaviour! (but I guess you knew that?)
*I know: poor choice of words...[/QUOTE]
I WOULD assume that considering that my sister is into a lot of stuff that society generally associates with males. She also acts like my mother or even my dad sometimes, no idea what to think really.
Also Lolkork. I got upset because you were reading STGYM and thus I assumed that since you were I thought you knew about it. More understandings I guess but "The truth hurts, doesn't it?" isn't exactly the best visitor message to put on my profile.
[QUOTE=RobbL;34513122]Let me get one thing straight, say i'm a transwoman. Am I right in saying that it's the general rule that I should be referred to as a she, and in a cultural sense and as a person I am a 'female', but when talked about biologically or scientifically, I am technically my birth sex, a male?
Because that's what's been i've been confused about all along, and no one's actually given me a straight forward answer. Instead you just criticise me for not being an expert on the topic.
I mean if ultimately you want everyone to accept and understand transgenders, keeping up that elitist attitude is not going to help[/QUOTE]
You don't call someone by their sex, you call them by their gender. Its okay to mess up and say otherwise because you didn't know, but if you do know and say it anyway, you're being an asshat.
To be brutally honest I don't see how this girl's plight is any of your business, I doubt those of you who disagree with her are in any position to influence the situation at all. Moreover, I also believe the majority of you do not possess the training that experts in the fields of psychology, biology, and genetics have, therefore throwing any arguments you bring up into serious question, for Wikipedia will only get you so far. Thirdly, as many have said before, you have no idea what this person is going through, how are you fit to render judgement on a situation you have never experienced? I don't care what you do with your body, as long as you have the backing of an army of trained professionals and docs, you have the right to do as you see fit, no one else should have any say in the matter. For you Americans out there, while I may not remember everything I learned in American government class, the basic rule is this: Your rights stop where others begin. So how, pray tell gents, what does this German girl have to do with you? Most likely you will never see her, never meet her, never even hear about her again after this incident, so why bother slandering her and others like her? So I'll leave you with this, just leave the poor girl alone, shes not hurting anyone, please cease your futile attacks and return to the pit which spawned you, good day.
[QUOTE=Miskav;34482639]It makes him scum, It makes him trash, it makes him a subhuman piece of shit that needs to be purged.
I have had it with people like him, forcing others in to depression, suicide, suffering all because of their own goddamn ignorance.[/QUOTE]
It's People like you I despise more then Racists and Homophobes, you are the Exact oppisite end of the Spectrum, You think that if someone doesn't like or agree with someone's sexual choices, they should be killed? Hypocritical scum like you somehow take Tolerance, and turn it into hate. You are not better then Acds. Atleast he was respectful in his arguments, Extreme views on anything are retarded, especially if you try and take a moral high road.
And on-topic, I feel sorry for the... Person in the story, I know a few Trannies in my school, and they are very erratic, It must be a hard life, I'm grateful I was Born the way I am.
[QUOTE=somescripter;34503593]Oh God I've had these moments... long curly blonde haired person with big breasts... stubble, a hefty jaw line and about 6'2''. Almost fell for it :v:[/QUOTE]
Get out.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34484489]What's your bloody problem?
Do you think living as a male is "okay" for anyone whose gender is female or vice versa? Do you think genderqueer folks think it's cool to be stamped as male or female?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
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[editline]5th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=acds;34482481]Gender is defined by the body and genetics. You don't transform into a bear because you really want to/do believe you are one.[/QUOTE]
I now believe this as well.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34567686]Yes.
:eng101:
[editline]5th February 2012[/editline]
I now believe this as well.[/QUOTE]
You're pretty dense, you know that? You're either completely missing the point or choosing to act stupid. Female brain+male body doesn't=male gender. It only results in male sex. By forcing someone who is that way to live as a male, it causes severe mental distress. But obviously that doesn't matter as long as men are men and women are women, right?
[QUOTE=Onyx3173;34567828]You're pretty dense, you know that? You're either completely missing the point or choosing to act stupid. Female brain+male body doesn't=male gender. It only results in male sex. By forcing someone who is that way to live as a male, it causes severe mental distress. But obviously that doesn't matter as long as men are men and women are women, right?[/QUOTE]
Oh come off it, you know im right. :v:
No, you are not right. And if I thought you were right do you really think I would be voicing opposition to your view? I'm not talking just to hear myself speak here.
[QUOTE=Onyx3173;34567865]No, you are not right. And if I thought you were right do you really think I would be voicing opposition to your view? I'm not talking just to hear myself speak here.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I think im right.
And yes, men have to be men.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PGvSoaafXiI/SxVLFCuS81I/AAAAAAAAHM8/iC2Do_rbcIU/s1600/magazines-Man's+Life,+September+1956+-+Weasels+Ripped+My+Flesh-8x6.jpg[/img]
[B]THIS[/B] is a fucking man.
[B]AND THIS[/B] is how a woman should be!
[img]http://www.testq.com/nfs/testq/photos/0003/3893/woman_stereotype_max600.jpg?1266317551[/img]
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Obvious trolling and shitting down the thread even more." - Swebonny))[/highlight]
Go ahead and keep thinking that if you like then. Meanwhile any of us with any real sense of logic will continue knowing beyond a doubt that you're in fact wrong.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568050]Nah, I think im right.
And yes, men have to be men.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PGvSoaafXiI/SxVLFCuS81I/AAAAAAAAHM8/iC2Do_rbcIU/s1600/magazines-Man's+Life,+September+1956+-+Weasels+Ripped+My+Flesh-8x6.jpg[/img]
[B]THIS[/B] is a fucking man.
[B]AND THIS[/B] is how a woman should be!
[img]http://www.testq.com/nfs/testq/photos/0003/3893/woman_stereotype_max600.jpg?1266317551[/img][/QUOTE]
Get out. You have no idea how I feel and what I go through.
[QUOTE=HorizoN;34568149]Get out.[/QUOTE]
Hey im just stating the horribly obvious.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568050]Nah, I think im right.
And yes, men have to be men.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PGvSoaafXiI/SxVLFCuS81I/AAAAAAAAHM8/iC2Do_rbcIU/s1600/magazines-Man's+Life,+September+1956+-+Weasels+Ripped+My+Flesh-8x6.jpg[/img]
[B]THIS[/B] is a fucking man.
[B]AND THIS[/B] is how a woman should be!
[img]http://www.testq.com/nfs/testq/photos/0003/3893/woman_stereotype_max600.jpg?1266317551[/img][/QUOTE]
You know 2 people already got banned for trolling in this thread.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34568175]You know 2 people already got banned for trolling in this thread.[/QUOTE]
Im not trolling though.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568186]Im not trolling though.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that excuse didn't work for them either.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568164]Hey im just stating the horribly obvious.[/QUOTE]
The only thing horribly obvious is exactly how intelligent you are. A smart person wouldn't come into a thread saying science and everyone in the thread is wrong and then providing absolutely shit all evidence.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568186]Im not trolling though.[/QUOTE]
I want to call you every name in the book right now. I'm born male with a female brain. I identify as female and you along with every other person in this thread and the world who say I should live as a male can rightfully go away.
[QUOTE=HorizoN;34568217]I want to call you every name in the book right now. I'm born male with a female brain. I identify as female and you along with every other person in this thread and the world who say I should live as a male can rightfully go away.[/QUOTE]
Just because you say it doesn't make it true.
I think you're fucking
never mind, shouldn't you be watching Nascar or fucking your cousin or something
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568503]Just because you say it doesn't make it true.[/QUOTE]
You do not deserve human rights and can only justify your life when you're bound in chains and enslaved.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568503]Just because you say it doesn't make it true.[/QUOTE]
If you are right why don't you provide at least the same amount of evidence proving you right as everyone else within this thread has provided in the previous pages that proves you wrong.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568050]Nah, I think im right.
And yes, men have to be men.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PGvSoaafXiI/SxVLFCuS81I/AAAAAAAAHM8/iC2Do_rbcIU/s1600/magazines-Man's+Life,+September+1956+-+Weasels+Ripped+My+Flesh-8x6.jpg[/img]
[B]THIS[/B] is a fucking man.
[B]AND THIS[/B] is how a woman should be!
[img]http://www.testq.com/nfs/testq/photos/0003/3893/woman_stereotype_max600.jpg?1266317551[/img]
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Good job!!!
[QUOTE=Swebonny;34568621]Good job!!![/QUOTE]
you are temporarily my personal hero
[editline]5th February 2012[/editline]
now unbutton those pants mister
[QUOTE=Swebonny;34568621]Good job!!![/QUOTE]
<3
What can men do against such reckless hate?
Why are there so many little shits in the world?
[QUOTE=HorizoN;34568986]Why are there so many little shits in the world?[/QUOTE]
Can't get past their own problems long enough to be even a little bit compassionate?
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