[QUOTE=acds;34482925]English language aside, the father is an asshole. He's still your child you might not like it but don't act like an ass.[/QUOTE]
I wish to say this, regardless of feelings on Transgender people and terms of address, which I disagree with, it is good to see that people see the main point, which is the disgusting treatment being done to this child.
[QUOTE=fluke42;34482929]So by that logic, only race is important here? So it's ok to make fun of religion and sexuality all you want, but if someone's race gets involved, only then it becomes an issue?[/QUOTE]
If you call someone a fag, that is a derogatory term. Calling a transgender male or whatever you call them a he instead of a she is like calling a Scottish person British, they're both correct terms for the person.
[QUOTE=acds;34482925][B]He's[/B] still your child[/QUOTE]You're a hopeless shoebie. Surf's up, brah.
[QUOTE=Metanar;34482946]In many ways it's worse. Racist words are in wide circulation, and thanks to street culture many have been turned on their heads (note usage of the word nigger among black communities, especially in music), whereas calling a transgender person the wrong gender when it's explicitly clear they don't want to be referred to as that gender has a more personal attack to it, being directed at one person not a group of people.[/QUOTE]
But does it really matter here on this forum, if I was around the person I would refer to them by gender to make them comfortable, but I'm not degrading that person if while talking about them refer to them in their biological sense.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34482974]If you call someone a fag, that is a derogatory term. Calling a transgender male or whatever you call them a he instead of a she is like calling a Scottish person British, they're both correct terms for the person.[/QUOTE]
Except it is not the correct term, and to use your example, Telling a straight person they are gay, can be derogatory, this is a similar situation. By calling them he you are basically saying "I dont care what you know about yourself, what I want to call you matters more then Your feelings"
i think all this arguing about who might be potentially offended by what terms is taking away from the more important and fundamental points here
[QUOTE=Koopaonfire;34482986]You're a hopeless shoebie. Surf's up, brah.[/QUOTE]
Do you people really cling onto shit like that? First off I wasn't referring to this case in particular I was talking in general terms, and second I wasn't even thinking about that.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34482997] but I'm not degrading that person if while talking about them refer to them in their biological sense.[/QUOTE]
In which case you'd have to say "male" since pronouns refer exclusively to gender.
Maybe someone could invent a device that can change someone's "sex" to match their "gender".
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34482997]But does it really matter here on this forum, if I was around the person I would refer to them by gender to make them comfortable, but I'm not degrading that person if while talking about them refer to them in their biological sense.[/QUOTE]
Why do you need to refer to them in their 'biological sense'? It's easier to refer to them with the correct term, you'd avoid confrontations like this for example. A lot of the posters in threads about trans people will be trans themselves (myself and Mister Sandman included), and it really makes it difficult for me to take anything you say seriously if you don't just apply a tiny little bit of social courtesy regarding these matters.
[QUOTE=acds;34482925]English language aside, the father is an asshole. He's still your child you might not like it but don't act like an ass.[/QUOTE]
As much as the use 'he' in this pisses me off, the general idea behind this post I agree with. You shouldn't force your children to do what you want just cause you don't like it.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;34483049]Maybe someone could invent a device that can change someone's "sex" to match their "gender".[/QUOTE]
well, we're getting there, however slowly that may be
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34483074]Scissortron?[/QUOTE]
Actually, at least for MTF, it is an inversion, not a removal.
[quote]Now, with puberty fast approaching – and Alex claiming she would rather die than go through the changes it is likely to bring about[/quote]
So let her fucking transition
Institutionalizing her and forcing her to go through puberty isn't going to save her life, this is statistically likely to result in her death given the current suicide rate for transgender children
Denying her the right to become a woman is murder
[QUOTE=Metanar;34483062]Why do you need to refer to them in their 'biological sense'? It's easier to refer to them with the correct term, you'd avoid confrontations like this for example. A lot of the posters in threads about trans people will be trans themselves (myself and Mister Sandman included), and it really makes it difficult for me to take anything you say seriously if you don't just apply a tiny little bit of social courtesy regarding these matters.[/QUOTE]
I'm not intending to cause offense, but I've never referred to people on a gender basis at any point in my life, I've always talked about people in a biological sense so I just find it confusing talking about someone who I know is a male as a female, to me it feels weird. Of course for common courtasy I would refer to that person a their gender if that was what they wanted while they were around, just the whole gender thing that throws me off since I don't exactly accept gender roles as something that should be part of society.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34482722]It's hard to be rude to someone who isn't actually here.[/QUOTE]
Postal is a massive faggot and is a horrible person.
It's not rude because he's not here, right?
I think the father should be the one in the mental hospital
or a prison
Also is it even legal to institutionalize someone with the intention of changing something in the personality that isn't inherently damaging? The child needs institutionalization (or better, just having someone keeping watch relatively often) if there have already been suicide threats, but that is to ensure they don't actually kill themselves, not to change something their parents don't like about them.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;34483140]Postal is a massive faggot and is a horrible person.
It's not rude because he's not here, right?[/QUOTE]
Except postal is on this forum whereas this kid is not.
[QUOTE=acds;34483190]Also is it even legal to institutionalize someone with the intention of changing something in the personality that isn't inherently damaging? The child needs institutionalization (or better, just having someone keeping watch relatively often) if there have already been suicide threats, but that is to ensure they don't actually kill themselves, not to change something their parents don't like about them.[/QUOTE]
The suicide threat was after the father caused trouble trying to get the kid forced into a male role, without the fathers interference there would have been no trouble, she was in therapy for transgendered people, and basically working through things.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34482037]Why not? Okay, I have to agree that looney bin might have been a bad choice of words in this situation, but I stand by my point, he should be taken to a mental hospital and have his depression dealth with so that he doesn't go kill himself.[/QUOTE]
Wow...
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34483206]Except postal is on this forum whereas this kid is not.[/QUOTE]
I'm on here. It's offensive to me as a transgender person to see other transgendered people referred to by their biological sex.
Good enough for ya?
[QUOTE=acds;34483190]Also is it even legal to institutionalize someone with the intention of changing something in the personality that isn't inherently damaging? The child needs institutionalization (or better, just having someone keeping watch relatively often) if there have already been suicide threats, but that is to ensure they don't actually kill themselves, not to change something their parents don't like about them.[/QUOTE]
institutionalisation for this is like treating someone for a torn off leg by feeding them painkillers, hoping the whole problem just goes away after a while
[QUOTE=fluke42;34482861]I'm just glad that we can finally ignore homophobic trolls, now that stupidity and homophobia have been linked together.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly certain hating transgender people is not homophobia since they're not strictly hetero, homo, or bi sexual.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;34483242]I'm on here. It's offensive to me as a transgender person to see other transgendered people referred to by their biological sex.
Good enough for ya?[/QUOTE]
I think you're being petty but whatever
[QUOTE=acds;34483190]Also is it even legal to institutionalize someone with the intention of changing something in the personality that isn't inherently damaging? The child needs institutionalization (or better, just having someone keeping watch relatively often) if there have already been suicide threats, but that is to ensure they don't actually kill themselves, not to change something their parents don't like about them.[/QUOTE]
Apparently the girl wasn't suicidal until the father prevented her from continuing with hormone therapy or something, if I can find where I read it again I'll post it
[editline]31st January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34483289]I think you're being petty but whatever[/QUOTE]
I think you're being privileged
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34483309]
I think you're being privileged[/QUOTE]
Privileged in what way?
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;34483285]I'm fairly certain hating transgender people is not homophobia since they're not strictly hetero, homo, or bi sexual.[/QUOTE]
correct, it's transphobia
though to be honest all those words are just variants which reduce to bigotry anyway.
[QUOTE=acds;34482073]It's a guy. He can live whatever fairy tale he wants, he was born a guy and will always be.[/QUOTE]
You can live whatever fairy tale you want, you are a jackass and always will be.
This might not be completely relevant here, but what are the actual differences between the conditions during the development of a fetus that cause gender dysphoria and homosexuality, assuming both of these originate during the time in the womb because of hormones and stuff?
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