[QUOTE=umm wtf;34484968]a transvestite is a man who wears womens clothing, transgender is when someone feels that their biological sex does not fit their gender.[/QUOTE]
hmm...what would be the difference lifestyle choices they make?
I don't suppose one would be inclined to bear children and the other would not seeing as they both have male bodies.
I'm just so confused.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485067]Sex is the chromosomes, gender is the body, and [B]gender identity[/B] is the mind.[/QUOTE]
Isn't gender identity environmental though; meaning that nobody is born in the wrong body?
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485067]Sex is the chromosomes, gender is the body, and [B]gender identity[/B] is the mind.[/QUOTE]
chromosomes make up the body ergo they're the same thing.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485067]Sex is the chromosomes, gender is the body, and [B]gender identity[/B] is the mind.[/QUOTE]
Gender is an umbrella term that is pretty much always used to describe one's mental identity when used in the context of the transgendered.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34484900]I wonder what must be going through that guys head, "I'm a girl, no wait, I have a penis.....whatever I'm still a girl." :V.
I guess it depends on what society allows a female to be defined as. For me, it depends on the physical makeup of your body. I wouldn't call a transgender man a woman, rather I would call them a transvestite.[/QUOTE]
I'd just call em a guy.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485081]hmm...what would be the difference lifestyle choices they make?
I don't suppose one would be inclined to bear children and the other would not seeing as they both have male bodies.[/QUOTE]
A transvestite only wears womens clothing, usually for fun, transgenders may go through, processes to look more like their gender in relation to sex, because inside they feel like a female.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34484900]I wonder what must be going through that guys head, "I'm a girl, no wait, I have a penis.....whatever I'm still a girl." :V.
I guess it depends on what society allows a female to be defined as. For me, it depends on the physical makeup of your body. I wouldn't call a transgender man a woman, rather I would call them a transvestite.[/QUOTE]
I'd just call em a guy.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34485146]I'd just call em a guy.[/QUOTE]
You're body isn't an asshole.
But your mind is.
So I'm going to call you an asshole because that is correct.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485081]hmm...what would be the difference lifestyle choices they make?
I don't suppose one would be inclined to bear children and the other would not seeing as they both have male bodies.[/QUOTE]
mentally, transvestites are male, and they have no wish to be otherwise, they just like the clothes.
Mentally, Transgendered people are the gender they try to portray themselves as, To put it simply, Transvestites would still maybe want to father children, transgendered wish they could bear them (in the case of Male To Female transgendered peopel anyway, Female to male WOULD wish to father them)
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34484900]I wonder what must be going through that guys head, "I'm a girl, no wait, I have a penis.....whatever I'm still a girl." :V.
I guess it depends on what society allows a female to be defined as. For me, it depends on the physical makeup of your body. I wouldn't call a transgender man a woman, rather I would call them a transvestite.[/QUOTE]
You may as well call Chinese people chinks and gay people faggots while you're at it
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485081]hmm...what would be the difference lifestyle choices they make?
I don't suppose one would be inclined to bear children and the other would not seeing as they both have male bodies.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to say that this is (for me) actually the most interesting question asked in this thread, and even though I am transgender myself, and clearly know I am NOT transvestite, I am not sure if I can answer it.
But I will try:
A transvestite will, in most cases, live his day-to-day life as a man. He'd go to work as a man, drink beer like a man, like sports like a man.
But, when the urge comes over him, he will dress in women's clothing. Put on make-up, and sometimes even go to a bar dressed like that, and enjoy the strange looks cast his way.
I, on the other hand, live my daily life as a woman. I VERY VERY rarely put on some of my old ("male") clothing, usually when I expect them to get dirty, but will wear "normal" women's clothing almost every minute of my life (with obvious exceptions, like in the shower :D)
Yes... I think I managed to answer your question, at least a little?
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485155]Gender is also sex.[/QUOTE]
Stop. You're talking about this like you know about the literal definitions and aren't just pulling shit from the fuckin' clouds. Unfortunately for you, some of us actually [I]know what we're talking about[/I].
[QUOTE=umm wtf;34485147]A transvestite only wears womens clothing, usually for fun, transgenders may go through, processes to look more like their gender in relation to sex, because inside they feel like a female.[/QUOTE]
What would you call a transgender man? It under my understanding that: male/female/man/woman was tied to a persons sex, not their gender.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485182]Well, he maybe called him a guy due to his sex.[/QUOTE]
You don't refer someone as a male who identifies themselves as a female for the same reason you don't refer to people as "it".
[QUOTE=acds;34482050]What kind of fucking parents allow their 11 year old son to go through transgender treatment?[/QUOTE]
Bad ones.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485194]What would you call a transgender man? It under my understanding that: male/female/man/woman was tied to a persons sex, not their gender.[/QUOTE]
transgender man = Female to Male
Transgender female = Male to Female.
People prefer to be known as what they are now, not what they used to be externally.
[editline]31st January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;34485207]Bad ones.[/QUOTE]
A 11 year old transgender does NOT go through hormones, but through puberty blockers, until a therapist judges them mature enough, then the choice about hormones or not is made.
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;34485207]Bad ones.[/QUOTE]
As opposed the the "good" parents who subject their children to psychological torture in an attempt to "cure" them.
Like this father.
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;34485207]Bad ones.[/QUOTE]
Religious ones?
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34485246]As opposed the the "good" parents who subject their children to psychological torture in an attempt to "cure" them.
Like this father.[/QUOTE]
this thread is full of fuckin' rednecks
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485255]Religious ones?[/QUOTE]
I suspect you got things mixed up there, he or she was saying that bad ones would be pro transgender . The religious ones are usually against Transgender people
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34485256]this thread is full of fuckin' rednecks[/QUOTE]
I have to agree, I think I lost respect for FP as a whole today based on this thread.
[QUOTE=nekosune;34485223]
People prefer to be known as what they are now, not what they used to be externally.
[/QUOTE]
I don't think that would be the scientific definition of it but I see what you're getting at.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485280]I'm actually reading it off wikipedia.[/QUOTE]
and I have been from the psycologist textbook I bought on the subject.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485194]What would you call a transgender man? It under my understanding that: male/female/man/woman was tied to a persons sex, not their gender.[/QUOTE]
This understanding was incorrect, I guess.
I am a (transgender) woman. Although since I was born with male genitalia my sex could legally be called "male", however my gender is "female". My therapist, and two independent doctors confirmed this. A judge accepted those confirmations, and I am now legally (literally) to be considered female.
Right now I am working my ass off to get an appointment for that surgery I've been waiting for soooo long, but (knowing germany and their paperwork-hurdles) I fear I will have to wait at least another 9 months...
AFTER that my "sex" will be female as well... (as much as I dislike it)
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485293]I don't think that would be the scientific definition of it but I see what you're getting at.[/QUOTE]
The current scientific (psycological) definition is transgender male = FTM etc as well, you can find this on plenty of psycological sites.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485280]I'm actually reading it off wikipedia.[/QUOTE]
A reliable source (!) as opposed to people who actually are.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34485293]I don't think that would be the scientific definition of it but I see what you're getting at.[/QUOTE]
on the contrary: this IS the scientific definition of things. I would quote wikipedia, but since that seems to be disregarded on these forums generally, I will save my time.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34485256]this thread is full of fuckin' rednecks[/QUOTE]
Their primitive minds can't process the basis of human sexuality!
[QUOTE=Lolkork;34485280]I'm actually reading it off wikipedia.[/QUOTE]
Well then you're reading it wrong.
Because I got most of my definition off wikipedia (granted, the german pages) and they clearly state:
Sex: you genitals
Gender: what's on your mind
That is how those who know their stuff use these words. If you STILL insist otherwise then I can no longer help you
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