ACLU Study: Blacks are 10-30 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana than whites despite stat
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[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40914024]Read the fucking article. A 2% difference in use does not equate to a 500 arrests per 100,000 population difference.
You don't interpret facts.[/QUOTE]
What? I meant general crime, they would be more likely to get caught because they're just more prone to that kind of thing. Calm your ass.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914099]What? I meant general crime, they would be more likely to get caught because they're just more prone to that kind of thing. Calm your ass.[/QUOTE]
Cool, that has no relevance to this thread whatsoever.
And even if it did, blacks are disproportionately jailed in general crime as well.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40914314]Cool, that has no relevance to this thread whatsoever.
And even if it did, blacks are disproportionately jailed in general crime as well.[/QUOTE]
Well why not wonder why that is besides just pegging it at "racism" instead of an actual possible cause?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914328]Well why not wonder why that is besides just pegging it at "racism" instead of an actual possible cause?[/QUOTE]
I'll figure it out for you right now. Black people are more likely to be criminals because they're more likely to have to resort to a life a crime, which is due to poor socioeconomic factors, which is due to being disenfranchised and segregated for most of human history and until very recently (50 years ago) weren't even considered equal people.
So essentially: racism.
[QUOTE=bubbagamer;40912035]Anti-white racism exists just as much as anti-black, you'd be a fool to deny its existence.
As long as a community hates the other, the other will hate it back. This is a vicious circle.[/QUOTE]
Except for the fact that anti-white racism doesn't mean anything. It's just idle prejudice that doesn't manifest itself in any meaningful way.
There is no anti-white racism equivalent to what's happening in the OP.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40914363]I'll figure it out for you right now. Black people are more likely to be criminals because they're more likely to have to resort to a life a crime, which is due to poor socioeconomic factors, which is due to being disenfranchised and segregated for most of human history and until very recently (50 years ago) weren't even considered equal people.
So essentially: racism.[/QUOTE]
And what must we do to fix this non-current racism? Yes they are in their position due to past racism, but we've made such great strides since then, and it still hasn't been fixed, this is clearly not racism, it's just simple poverty problems.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914328]Well why not wonder why that is besides just pegging it at "racism" instead of an actual possible cause?[/QUOTE]
Racism is a possible cause.
It's cool how you assume that racism isn't a legitimate problem as a premise in your argument though. can't get over that style...
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914401]And what must we do to fix this non-current racism? Yes they are in their position due to past racism, but we've made such great strides since then, and it still hasn't been fixed, this is clearly not racism, it's just simple poverty problems.[/QUOTE]
where the hell do you think the poverty comes from?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40914403]Racism is a possible cause.
It's cool how you assume that racism isn't a legitimate problem as a premise in your argument though. can't get over that style...[/QUOTE]
Well okay I misphrased that, racism is a possible cause, but it is just one of many, it's likely more than just simple "racism".
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914401]And what must we do to fix this non-current racism? Yes they are in their position due to past racism, but we've made such great strides since then, and it still hasn't been fixed, this is clearly not racism, it's just simple poverty problems.[/QUOTE]
Hey man just because we gave blacks the right to vote 50 years ago doesn't mean they aren't still heavily prejudiced against and racism is a non-issue. Just look at women's rights, they have had the right to vote for almost 100 years and you can look at this forum to see terrible misogynistic opinions daily.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40914403][editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
where the hell do you think the poverty comes from?[/QUOTE]
I dunno, what makes an individual poor in the first place? That should give you an idea as to what causes poverty. It doesn't need to be racism, unless you mean to tell me that all poverty is current active racism?
its just a scientific fact that whenever a black person touches money there is a one in three chance that it will suddenly catch fire, so statistically they have less money. it has nothing to do with racism
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914430]I dunno, what makes an individual poor in the first place? That should give you an idea as to what causes poverty. It doesn't need to be racism, unless you mean to tell me that all poverty is current active racism?[/QUOTE]
What other explanation is there when one group is drastically more poor and victimized than another and the only significant difference between them is skin color?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914430]I dunno, what makes an individual poor in the first place? That should give you an idea as to what causes poverty. It doesn't need to be racism, unless you mean to tell me that all poverty is current active racism?[/QUOTE]
black people are more likely to be poor than white people in America, so it's really obvious that race has to play some sort of role. The statistic is too widely sampled and studied for there to be some hidden confounding variable that 50+ years of sociology and race studies somehow missed
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40914426]Hey man just because we gave blacks the right to vote 50 years ago doesn't mean they aren't still heavily prejudiced against and racism is a non-issue. Just look at women's rights, they have had the right to vote for almost 100 years and you can look at this forum to see terrible misogynistic opinions daily.[/QUOTE]
Eh, just because you think the opinions of people are misogynistic doesn't mean that people are sexist.
like unless you're prepared to either A: take a page from some other poster's book cough cough and whip out some racist bell curve bullshit or B: pull some freakonomics shit and pull some crazy confounding variable outta nowhere then you really don't have a leg to stand on to argue that racism plays no part in it
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40914456]black people are more likely to be poor than white people in America, so it's really obvious that race has to play some sort of role. The statistic is too widely sampled and studied for there to be some hidden confounding variable that 50+ years of sociology and race studies somehow missed[/QUOTE]
Yeah of course there's a difference, and yeah it's racially based, but that is in the past, now we're attempting to meld basic poverty and social issues, it isn't about racism as much as it is about general poverty issues that every society deals with.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914485]Eh, just because you think the opinions of people are misogynistic doesn't mean that people are sexist.[/QUOTE]
"yeah, well, that's like, your opinion man"
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40914024]Read the fucking article. A 2% difference in use does not equate to a 500 arrests per 100,000 population difference.
You don't interpret facts.[/QUOTE]
Except when some of those "facts" are incomplete. Their usage statistic is nearly meaningless when it's self-reported and nothing is said about their sample size or choice.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914496]Yeah of course there's a difference, and yeah it's racially based, but that is in the past, now we're attempting to meld basic poverty and social issues, it isn't about racism as much as it is about general poverty issues that every society deals with.[/QUOTE]
But those general poverty issues disproportionately affect one race. It's still about race.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914485]Eh, just because you think the opinions of people are misogynistic doesn't mean that people are sexist.[/QUOTE]
Go read the numerous tropes vs. women threads and note the first few replies. Or any thread about rape. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914496]Yeah of course there's a difference, and yeah it's racially based, but that is in the past, now we're attempting to meld basic poverty and social issues, it isn't about racism as much as it is about general poverty issues that every society deals with.[/QUOTE]
Racism isn't in the past and you're naive to think so.
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40914506]Except when some of those "facts" are incomplete. Their usage statistic is nearly meaningless when it's self-reported and nothing is said about their sample size or choice.[/QUOTE]
Find a contradictory statistic with techniques that you believe to be sound then instead of assuming that just because you have a criticism of this one means that it can be ignored
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40914496]Yeah of course there's a difference, and yeah it's racially based, but that is in the past, now we're attempting to meld basic poverty and social issues, it isn't about racism as much as it is about general poverty issues that every society deals with.[/QUOTE]
One of the big links to poverty is family wealth.
A lot of black people had almost zero opportunities to build wealth until recently. That means that a disproportionate amount of black families don't have a lot of wealth. So just because racism was more overt in the past, that doesn't mean it still doesn't affect people today.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40914533]Find a contradictory statistic with techniques that you believe to be sound then instead of assuming that just because you have a criticism of this one means that it can be ignored[/QUOTE]
No, that's not how the [URL=https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof]burden of proof[/URL] works. It doesn't lie on the person refuting the claim. I find the statistic questionable, especially because they didn't give a value in the article for the demographic where the usage is more white.
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40914565]No, that's not how the [URL=https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof]burden of proof[/URL] works. It doesn't lie on the person refuting the claim.[/QUOTE]
It does when someone presents you with sources and statistics to verify their claim. When they do that you have to refute it a little better than saying "nuh uh."
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40914585]It does when someone presents you with sources and statistics to verify their claim. When they do that you have to refute it a little better than saying "nuh uh."[/QUOTE]
Except I did? Please read my posts before commenting on them. A survey about marijuana use is definitely going to suffer from social desirability bias, and that's even if the methods were sound and the sample was good.
[QUOTE=Valnar;40914549]One of the big links to poverty is family wealth.
A lot of black people had almost zero opportunities to build wealth until recently. That means that a disproportionate amount of black families don't have a lot of wealth. So just because racism was more overt in the past, that doesn't mean it still doesn't affect people today.[/QUOTE]
Yes is that racism or the lasting effect of racism? I don't think this is "racism", this is just the effects of our awful past.
Stop arresting ANYONE for drugs unless they harm another person directly. Otherwise refer them for help if they have a problem or leave them alone, not send law enforcement.
[QUOTE=bubbagamer;40912035]Anti-white racism exists just as much as anti-black, you'd be a fool to deny its existence.
As long as a community hates the other, the other will hate it back. This is a vicious circle.[/QUOTE]
Black racists aren't usually police officers in the US, is the difference.
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