• Two US TV journalists shot dead on air
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[QUOTE=paul simon;48545984]Don't take a silly generalization so seriously, not all of America is for guns either.[/QUOTE] You're right, there's always that portion that knows absolutely nothing about them yet is vehemently against them. Case in point, most if not all anti-gun politicians.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;48545916]how did you even assume this from what I said lol? what the fuck? I'm done with this thread holy shit there are some real fucking paranoid people here.[/QUOTE] Wait I just noticed You live in Venezuela, and your talking shit about America? The murder rate in Venezuela is 53/100k, with 16,000 murders in 2012, with 12x less people than america. I think there are other societies closer to home that you should be called paranoid and violent.
[QUOTE=Fort83;48545989]I'd say snapped but there are some people here that think people snapping is impossible.[/QUOTE] Snapping still requires other existing problems. It's not just "Shit, the barrista short-changed me. I'm gonna shoot up the Starbucks." "I got a bad grade. Time to blow away the school." "Hey you prick, you didn't use your turn signal! I'm gonna magdump on you!"
[QUOTE=Kommodore;48545959]Yes???[/QUOTE] Gun owner here, no it's not. Ok, do I have to have a reason to own guns? Like seriously? Know why i own my firearms? Because I either wanted them, either to collect or for hunting and protection. Protection from what you might ask? Protection from wildlife. Venomous snakes, wild boars, coyotes, etc. If they attempt to attack, which has happened before, then I shoot.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48546000]Oh yeah, real fucking regularly.[/QUOTE] What, you gonna argue about something as relative and vague as time now? :v:
[QUOTE=Big Bang;48545971]are you seeing a trend here, people?[/QUOTE] Didnt you just claim you were done with the thread b/c nobody on the pro-gun side were agreeing with your "arguments"? You claimed it wasnt possible for spree stabbings to occur. You also claimed that the pro-gun side were paranoiacs one and all because they wished to own their legal guns. You also cherry picked occurrences of school shootings to put your point forward. It's true that the easy availability of firearms can lead to messed up situations like this, but we've already mentioned that it's a difficult task at best to improve the gun control laws/completely prevent the occurrences of spree shootings. Sometimes peoples' minds will just snap and they do go out of control and commit murders. If you have an anti-gun stance, well and good. Don't try to force your views onto other people as being the only acceptable viewpoints. It's perfectly possible to the average american to own guns if they want to. But banning guns will simply drive them underground and people will still find ways to get them.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48546023]Gun owner here, no it's not. Ok, do I have to have a reason to own guns? Like seriously? Know why i own my firearms? Because I either wanted them, either to collect or for hunting and protection. Protection from what you might ask? Protection from wildlife. Venomous snakes, wild boars, coyotes, etc. If they attempt to attack, which has happened before, then I shoot.[/QUOTE] You paranoid lunatic how do you know venomous snakes, wild boars and coyotes will want to attack you??
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;48546010]all foreigners are not allowed to have opinions here because of one guy in the thread quite obviously trolling "you're foreigners" is not a defence.[/QUOTE] Everyone is allowed an opinion. It just may or may not be very well informed.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48546034]You paranoid lunatic how do you know venomous snakes, wild boars and coyotes will want to attack you??[/QUOTE] The voices in my head told me.
Amusingly there are actually strong and valid arguments against widespread gun ownership and a total of zero of them have been prevented here, it's all just been "waaah think of the children" piers morgan tier bullshit because the valid arguments don't even occur to you unless you know anything about firearms. You're arguing out of the ignorance and fear cultivated by your country's government and you're wrong, that's all there is to it.
I just realized that in the POV Video of the shooter, the journalist actually looks at him for a split second. But I don't think she noticed the gun (he wasnt holding it up yet), because she went back to interviewing.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48546044]Amusingly there are actually strong and valid arguments against widespread gun ownership and a total of zero of them have been prevented here, it's all just been "waaah think of the children" piers morgan tier bullshit.[/QUOTE] " Pistols are heavily used in crimes, so we need to ban AR-15 assault rifles that fire full automatic clip carrying 30 caliber magazines." Hey! i sound just like DeLeon!
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48545997]Which of the people posting in this thread atm do you think is responsible for drafting and implementing laws? I'll answer for you - nobody. All of us are concerned with how easy it is for maniacs to get their hands on guns. But we draw the line at total confiscation. There are ways to minimize these incidents but legislators take an all or nothing approach to the problem because our system is so horrendously broken.[/QUOTE] I'd say that any US citizen that considers themselves a "proud" gun owner and believes that the problem is mental health care should write to their congressman, create a petition, a protest, at least something to actually say "We need to change mental health care". Because I am starting to find it fucking disgusting how people even here are willing to just throw all the blame onto something that they do not give a damn about until their "god given hobby" is called into question after a mass shooting. They do jack fucking shit. They throw up this veil of "It's mental health care" for a week and then do nothing about it.
[QUOTE=Toro;48546018]Wait I just noticed You live in Venezuela, and your talking shit about America? The murder rate in Venezuela is 53/100k, with 16,000 murders in 2012, with 12x less people than america. I think there are other societies closer to home that you should be called paranoid and violent.[/QUOTE] I never said Venezuela isn't violent, i'm not exactly a proud Venezuelan either, but surprisingly even as violent as Venezuela is, school shootings and massacres are really not commonplace here! in fact, most of the crime is drug and gang related like somebody claimed the US homicide rate was. so yeah! [QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48546000]Oh yeah, real fucking regularly.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(school_massacres)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(workplace_killings)[/url] compare the amount of killings that have happened in the US in recent years versus the rest of the world. it IS anomalous that so many happen in the US.
I like how many people are ignoring the fact that this man was already pretty unstable before this, as evidenced by his behaviour while working for the news company. The question is, do we know if the gun was legally owned or illegal? If it was legal, who allowed him to have access to it? Who gave it the OK, and how? Those are more useful questions than this endless gun debate which always starts the same way and ends the same way, with the thread dying with time and nobody's opinion changed from the beginning.
[QUOTE=Fort83;48546059]The whole point of snapping is a build up of other factors until said snap, like what is being said about the shooter in this case, disgruntled employee. It's just ridiculous that people are saying people can't snap yet are in a thread that is about a nutcase that killed two people and it looks like he snapped.[/QUOTE] Ordinary, healthy people don't snap. This guy was not mentally healthy to begin with. He was fixated on the concept of racism and regularly lashed out at white people for what he perceived to be racist attacks against him. As a result he couldn't hold a job and was pretty isolated from other people.
All these anti gun debates turn into is large dick waving contests, what's the point anymore guys.
[QUOTE=Fort83;48546059]The whole point of snapping is a build up of other factors until said snap, like what is being said about the shooter in this case, disgruntled employee. It's just ridiculous that people are saying people can't snap yet are in a thread that is about a nutcase that killed two people and it looks like he snapped.[/QUOTE] Its delusional to think that most people would or could snap and go on killing sprees, yes.
[QUOTE=Thlis;48546067]I'd say that any US citizen that considers themselves a "proud" gun owner and believes that the problem is mental health care should write to their congressman, create a petition, a protest, at least something to actually say "We need to change mental health care". Because I am starting to find it fucking disgusting how people even here are willing to just throw all the blame onto something that they do not give a damn about until their "god given hobby" is called into question after a mass shooting.[/QUOTE] I do this - so you're arguing with the wrong person. The fact is that our corporate congressmen don't care and won't make any effort to improve health care in this country because they're getting their paychecks already.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48546086]All these anti gun debates turn into is large dick waving contests, what's the point anymore guys.[/QUOTE] they are pointless, actually, considering they're not really debates either way, it's one side claiming they'll have to take their guns from their cold dead hands. and then everyone else lol.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48546073]I like how many people are ignoring the fact that this man was already pretty unstable before this, as evidenced by his behaviour while working for the news company. The question is, do we know if the gun was legally owned or illegal? If it was legal, who allowed him to have access to it? Who gave it the OK, and how? Those are more useful questions than this endless gun debate which always starts the same way and ends the same way, with the thread dying with time and nobody's opinion changed from the beginning.[/QUOTE] It's funny because if the gun was illegally purchased them this pages-long debate is more pointless than it already is because even if guns were totally banned the guy would STILL have a gun.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;48546094]they are pointless, actually, considering they're not really debates either way, it's one side claiming they'll have to take their guns from their cold dead hands. and then everyone else lol.[/QUOTE] So you see the futility of your position
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48546092]I do this - so you're arguing with the wrong person.[/QUOTE] I am not arguing specifically about you. I don't know what you do. I am arguing about how the issue is conveniently brought up when a defense is needed and swept under the rug because fuck implementing a solution.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48545917]He made a stupid argument, I found a good way to take the piss out of it. You want to try to do his job and make a decent one, it'd be impressive if you managed to.[/QUOTE] why you taking this so personally it's cool if you like getting angry at stuff for no reason but not everyone's into it
[QUOTE=Big Bang;48546072] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(school_massacres)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(workplace_killings)[/url] compare the amount of killings that have happened in the US in recent years versus the rest of the world. it IS anomalous that so many happen in the US.[/QUOTE] The US is fucking huge. Just any one state is bigger than my country. And yet, violent crime happens here too. I feel like, more often than not, we should look at it in a state context instead of a country-wide context.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48546113]why you taking this so personally it's cool if you like getting angry at stuff for no reason but not everyone's into it[/QUOTE] It's annoying to be nailed to the wall and demonized by a group of people that has no idea what they're talking about and would be happy to punish ~100,000,000 people for someone one person did as long as it got them a pat on the back from their peers. So gun owners are here defending themselves.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;48546105]So you see the futility of your position[/QUOTE] are you proud of being stubborn like that?
75% of this thread is just derailed ad hom, I've seen like maybe 10 posts about the actual content and then maybe another 10-15 posts dealing with actual arguments. Can we start over?
[QUOTE=Fort83;48546103]If given certain circumstances and a build up of factors they can. It's delusional to think that things can't change for people to lead them to this.[/QUOTE] And almost everyone doesnt.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;48546094]they are pointless, actually, considering they're not really debates either way, it's one side claiming they'll have to take their guns from their cold dead hands. and then everyone else lol.[/QUOTE] haha so gun owners being opposed to giving up the legal and registered firearms they have is somehow claiming that 'you'll have to pry our guns from our dead hands?' And what, exactly, does this do about the illegal firearms market?
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