• Two US TV journalists shot dead on air
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[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48546556]Because you don't consider sport, collecting (particularly for historic interests) or self defense legitimate and I do.[/QUOTE] Believe the UK has shooting teams, fairly certain you can collect deactivated firearms and no, you're right we don't consider self defence legitimate
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;48546563]Believe the UK has shooting teams, fairly certain you can collect deactivated firearms and no, you're right we don't consider self defence legitimate[/QUOTE] I enjoy shooting the antique pieces I collect so I don't want to butcher them to satisfy some paid off politician. It's understandable to consider self defense illegitimate but that boils down to a difference of opinion. The UK's shooting teams permit you to own a very purpose built, very expensive sporting rifle, if you keep it locked up on the range you shoot at. You don't actually possess the firearm.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;48546563]we don't consider self defence legitimate[/QUOTE] Well that's a problem.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48546569]I enjoy shooting the antique pieces I collect so I don't want to butcher them to [B]satisfy some paid off politician[/B].[/QUOTE] And soccer moms.
[QUOTE=Megadave;48546511]Just allow organized militias to be formed and allow sane and intelligent people to train to join these militias so they can carry guns. It's a good way to lower gun violence, keep the security of the nation, and still abide by the second amendment. This also prevents the government from enacting a total gun ban.[/QUOTE] This is a terrible idea just because of how broad it is and how easily it therefore opens up potential avenues for abuse. Public vigilantism, abuses of power against individuals and groups of individuals who don't conform to the views of the militiamen... and beyond that, this is the 21st century, and we have police forces and National Guardsmen to fulfill all the possible roles militias could ever dream of playing. Who seriously wants paramilitary organizations operating independently here in this country as if we were living in Weimar Germany during the November Revolution? I could understand if you were a Sovereign Citizen how you'd think that this was a good idea, but holy fuck, "sane and intelligent people" don't join militias in the first place-- radicals do, and this is how it has been since the movement started growing back in the 90s.
The British government Not advocating for self defense legitimacy seems like madness to me, but that's another debate.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48546221]He had met these two and had previously accused them of making racist remarks toward him. This was premeditated, not random.[/QUOTE] Double First Degree and he may live to see his day in Court. Considering how this was done, it's likely they are going to give him the death penalty. [QUOTE=dbk21894;48546582]aaaand hes dead[/QUOTE] Fucking Coward
aaaand hes dead
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;48546563]Believe the UK has shooting teams, fairly certain you can collect deactivated firearms and no, you're right we don't consider self defence legitimate[/QUOTE] Deactivated guns is like owning the frame of a car with no engine, you can't try and say "good enough ". It's also a shame youre so meek you think of self defense as illegitimate, but that's pretty much a core difference in beliefs. Have to agree to disagree. [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Govna;48546578]This is a terrible idea just because of how broad it is and how easily it therefore opens up potential avenues for abuse. Public vigilantism, abuses of power against individuals and groups of individuals who don't conform to the views of the militiamen... and beyond that, this is the 21st century, and we have police forces and National Guardsmen to fulfill all the possible roles militias could ever dream of playing. Who seriously wants paramilitary organizations operating independently here in this country as if we were living in Weimar Germany during the November Revolution? I could understand if you were a Sovereign Citizen how you'd think that this was a good idea, but holy fuck, "sane and intelligent people" don't join militias in the first place-- radicals do, and this is how it has been since the movement started growing back in the 90s.[/QUOTE] Supreme Court says the people are the militia, so you're in one bud :v:
Suspect just confirmed dead in the press conference.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;48546582]aaaand hes dead[/QUOTE] Son of a bitch.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;48546582]aaaand hes dead[/QUOTE] Who got him and where?
[QUOTE=Aman;48546584]Deactivated guns is like owning the frame of a car with no engine, you can't try and say "good enough ". It's also a shame youre so meek you think of self defense as illegitimate, but that's pretty much a core difference in beliefs. Have to agree to disagree. [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] Supreme Court says the people are the militia, so you're in one bud :v:[/QUOTE] You call me meek and then 'agree to disagree'. Nice.
[QUOTE=Govna;48546607]Who got him and where?[/QUOTE] He died on his own accord.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;48546533]Other than the rich and affluent families part, I agree with all of that. What you're saying to me is that its a ban on people without an assessed as legitimate reason to own a firearm.[/QUOTE] The problem with that is that "legitimate reason" is subjective. For me, wanting one should be "legitimate reason" enough, provided you can prove all your marbles are still there. Be subjected to the same tests cops are subjected to to make sure you are to be trusted with a firearm.
[QUOTE=Govna;48546607]Who got him and where?[/QUOTE] Offed himself.
[QUOTE=Aman;48546584]Supreme Court says the people are the militia, so you're in one bud :v:[/QUOTE] You're referring to the "unorganized militia", that thing which is neither well-regulated (per the second amendment) nor an actual militia like the National Guard and Naval Militia are. The unorganized militia is a legal fiction that's never been employed in United States history, because we've never been put in a situation in our modern civilized history where we needed random people who just happened to have guns and were fit for service to fight for us. Even our original 18th century Militia Law required enrollment by proper military officers and for militiamen to be drilled and inspected by them. If we ever were in a situation desperate enough to where we needed to somehow muster the "unorganized militia", we wouldn't be allowing their members to form paramilitary units. Not the men anyway; the federal government would draft them since they'd be qualified and needed for service.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;48546423]"rip to the victims even though they may have been racist" gawker media should honestly be sent to hell[/QUOTE] I looked into this and this doesn't appear to have anything to do with Gawker media. I was ready to send emails to Gawker's advertisers if this was the case.
[QUOTE=Govna;48546607]Who got him and where?[/QUOTE] he attempted to off himself he didn't do a very good job he died at the hospital
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48546560]Gotta fix the prison system and criminal justice system first.[/QUOTE] People in favor of rehabilitation generally support this. Its the tough on crime people that push for mandatory minimums, private prisons and horrible prison conditions. [QUOTE=SoaringScout;48546423]"rip to the victims even though they may have been racist" gawker media should honestly be sent to hell[/QUOTE] Instead of gun control we should be looking at this mindset of getting offended. This ultra-progressive mentality or trying to silence people that offend created a culture where people feel justified in killing people they view as racists or sexists.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339[/url] [quote]It is unclear whose initials he is referring to. He continues, “As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!” [B]He said Jehovah spoke to him, telling him to act[/B].[/quote] Fucking skitzo lunatic.
From what I've heard the shooter was a former employee of their news station. Probably disgruntled about it and decided to drag a few people down with him, a vile thing to do though. If you watch at [URL="https://youtu.be/pAH6SACn9lE?t=11s"]0:11[/URL] you can see the guy just walking up to them coldly as he takes shots, you can even see the shell casings ejecting from his pistol.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;48547012]From what I've heard the shooter was a former employee of their news station. Probably disgruntled about it and decided to drag a few people down with him, a vile thing to do though. If you watch at [URL="https://youtu.be/pAH6SACn9lE?t=11s"]0:11[/URL] you can see the guy just walking up to them coldly as he takes shots, you can even see the shell casings ejecting from his pistol.[/QUOTE] It has been widely discussed on various news outlets that he was fired two years ago for behavior, and he even had to be escorted off campus by police. There's nothing "probably" about that anymore.
[QUOTE=Govna;48546578]This is a terrible idea just because of how broad it is and how easily it therefore opens up potential avenues for abuse. Public vigilantism, abuses of power against individuals and groups of individuals who don't conform to the views of the militiamen... and beyond that, this is the 21st century, and we have police forces and National Guardsmen to fulfill all the possible roles militias could ever dream of playing. Who seriously wants paramilitary organizations operating independently here in this country as if we were living in Weimar Germany during the November Revolution? I could understand if you were a Sovereign Citizen how you'd think that this was a good idea, but holy fuck, "sane and intelligent people" don't join militias in the first place-- radicals do, and this is how it has been since the movement started growing back in the 90s.[/QUOTE] Well these would be state approved militias, and they would have to be properly trained.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48544635]or just buying them from other people? you have this stupid way of thinking that makes you believe all guns used in crime are somehow magical "bad" guns that were stolen. get over the fact that the "gun control" in the us is completely, entirely useless and doesn't work one bit. running a background check on people who want to buy them legally in a store only hinders those who do it legally through stores. you guys need a register and a good way to know what people own them, instead of just going "omg muh 2nd amendment commies!!!!!!!!!" and thinking you're better off stacking them inside your garage when someone says a much stricter law is needed[/QUOTE] Registers can be abused by the government as shown by that incident in new england a while back. They are also pretty ineffective as shown by Canada.
Holy shit apparently the car crash where the gun men shot him self is where I live. I don't know why but that feels unnervingly eerie.
The reporter that died was the best friend of a very close family friend. :(
[QUOTE=SirDavid255;48544863]I agree, but I can't help but notice this photo pairs up with the shooter so accurately. [URL="http://puu.sh/jPfKw/917a29c528.jpg"] supposed Facebook photo of her friends or colleagues[/URL] [URL="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11648828/Misc/1440596586744.jpg"]Photo of shooter[/URL] The man in the centre has the same looking facial hair in the photo of the shooter, same skin colour, same hair and face structure. I'm not trying to point fingers or call down judgement because in all honesty nobody knows at this point, this is just a speculation just judging by the low resolution image we were given.[/QUOTE] So this actually was the shooter. Wow. Bryce, or Vester Lee Flanagan Not sure if I'm late, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40gM28Z_x1o"]video of him pulling[/URL] out the firearm and whispering "bitch" [B]NSFW obviously[/B] [URL="http://bigbadmonkey.com/suspect-bryce-william-uploads-video-of-himself-shooting-wdbj-reporters-what-a-psycho-watch-the-videos-here/"]Full video[/URL] If people want this removed I'll do so, but it's easy to find online.
[QUOTE=SirDavid255;48547318]So this actually was the shooter. Wow. Bryce, or Vester Lee Flanagan Not sure if I'm late, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe8Zkte6uu0&bpctr=1440623090"]but first person view of him[/URL] pulling out the firearm and whispering "bitch"[/QUOTE] Jesus. You see the gun in frame than like 30 seconds later he finally shoots. I wonder what would've happened had they just seen him then.
[QUOTE=SirDavid255;48547318]So this actually was the shooter. Wow. Bryce, or Vester Lee Flanagan Not sure if I'm late, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40gM28Z_x1o"]video of him pulling[/URL] out the firearm and whispering "bitch" NSFW and it's graphic [URL="http://bigbadmonkey.com/suspect-bryce-william-uploads-video-of-himself-shooting-wdbj-reporters-what-a-psycho-watch-the-videos-here/"]Full video[/URL] [B]Warning this is fucked up[/B][/QUOTE] fucking hell; that moment when they don't notice him literally hold up the gun to the girl and he says bitch. I can't believe how this story has developed.. and he even recorded the shooting himself. You get to see the moment when this guy decides to fuck over these peoples lives, along with his own. fuck
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