my thoughts are that it's better to just shoot the crazed gunman rather than wait for him to run out of ammo.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48627706]Do I NEED my SKS, or the AR I'm buying? Not really, I'll probably and hopefully never have to use them for more than putting holes in paper. But, if I do need them to protect my family and I, or if the incredibly and unfathomably unlikely event when I may need to go against the government one day happens, they're there in the closet.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that SKS is all you're going to need to take out the government, better make sure to get some extra practice in against drones. Hope you've practiced out to roughly 50,000 feet straight up into the air, it's going to take some serious skill to bring one of those down, but good luck man, I believe in you. Also good luck against any military hardware in particular including their weapons, trucks, armored cars and vehicles, tanks, attack helicopters, drones, naval artillery and of course their nuclear weapons, but don't worry we got you with the SKS on the case, ready to shoot all those things to bits. The only thing you'll likely do is shoot some innocent cop.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48629288]Yeah, that SKS is all you're going to need to take out the government, better make sure to get some extra practice in against drones. Hope you've practiced out to roughly 50,000 feet straight up into the air, it's going to take some serious skill to bring one of those down, but good luck man, I believe in you. Also good luck against any military hardware in particular including their weapons, trucks, armored cars and vehicles, tanks, attack helicopters, drones, naval artillery and of course their nuclear weapons, but don't worry we got you with the SKS on the case, ready to shoot all those things to bits. The only thing you'll likely do is shoot some innocent cop.[/QUOTE]
Oh my god lmao listen to yourself
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;48611046]gun free zone are only an easy target because its likely nobody there will have guns. if the whole country better gun laws, then you'd see a drop in gun crime - just like every other western nation. saying that "gun free zones" are a bad idea doesn't actually discount the idea of tougher gun regulation.
for example even in this video, some suicidal dude wants to kill some people he hates. in the best scenario, he has his gun out, and he shoots most of them, and they react quickly and shoot back - everyone dies. how is that better than in other western countries where its so hard to get a gun (especially a handgun) that average people can't just do that? in most countries what he did would be impossible. obviously you can't prevent ALL gun crime but gun crime like this can be prevented.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but just wishing the guns away doesn't work and there's no effective or pragmatic way to strip the populace of their guns so just saying a world without guns is better is in my opinion not of value
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48629288]Yeah, that SKS is all you're going to need to take out the government, better make sure to get some extra practice in against drones. Hope you've practiced out to roughly 50,000 feet straight up into the air, it's going to take some serious skill to bring one of those down, but good luck man, I believe in you. Also good luck against any military hardware in particular including their weapons, trucks, armored cars and vehicles, tanks, attack helicopters, drones, naval artillery and of course their nuclear weapons, but don't worry we got you with the SKS on the case, ready to shoot all those things to bits. The only thing you'll likely do is shoot some innocent cop.[/QUOTE]
Which is why we defeated the Taliban in 5 minutes and Afghanistan is a bastion of peace...
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48629463]Which is why we defeated the Taliban in 5 minutes and Afghanistan is a bastion of peace...[/QUOTE]
Forget that, forget all of it. All we need to look at is the fact that this guy has imagined a scenario in which one person with an old Russian battle rifle is trying to take on the entire United States military - all branches at once - and then attempted to work it into a serious argument against firearm ownership. Then said the guy he's trying to argue with is an aspiring cop killer.
Based on nothing at all.
If that's not proof that this fella's dislike of firearms is purely irrational then I don't know what is. :v:
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48629476]Forget that, forget all of it. All we need to look at is the fact that this guy has imagined a scenario in which one person with an old Russian battle rifle is trying to take on the entire United States military - all branches at once - and then attempted to work it into a serious argument against firearm ownership. Then said the guy he's trying to argue with is an aspiring cop killer.
Based on nothing at all.
If that's not proof that this fella's dislike of firearms is purely irrational then I don't know what is. :v:[/QUOTE]
Oh, I realize what Warrior was trying to say. Given his previous posts on this, I've pretty much determined he's afraid of firearms, and probably thinks you, me, and every gun owner on this forum is a loose cannon.
I understand your necessity to circlejerk each other into relevance, but can you stop shitting up the thread with it? People should be able to present conflicting opinions without getting shut out by intolerance.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630211]I understand your necessity to circlejerk each other into relevance, but can you stop shitting up the thread with it? People should be able to present conflicting opinions without getting shouted down.[/QUOTE]
You aren't "presenting a conflicting opinion", you're flatly accusing gun owners like myself of inherently being cop killers. Don't try to pretend like you're some victim the evil gun owning rednecks are ganging up on, you're a petulant narcissist with an irrational fear or hatred of firearms and firearm owners and you aren't afraid to let everyone know. You only care about "shitting up the thread" when you aren't the one doing it.
Stop posting like a jackass and someone might take you seriously. As far as I can tell even people on your side of the argument think you are a moron.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48630231]You aren't "presenting a conflicting opinion", you're flatly accusing gun owners like myself of inherently being cop killers. Don't try to pretend like you're some victim the evil gun owning rednecks are ganging up on, you're a petulant narcissist with an irrational fear or hatred of firearms and firearm owners and you aren't afraid to let everyone know. You only care about "shitting up the thread" when you aren't the one doing it.[/QUOTE]
I've never referred to you as an evil gun owning redneck, that's pure projection on your end. All you've done is repeat your unsubstantial arguments over and over to the point of drowning any other points out because you don't have any to make.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48629288]The only thing you'll likely do is shoot some innocent cop.[/QUOTE]
This really speaks for itself. I've given numbers and you disregard them. You can't help yourself from incessantly shitposting.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48630266]This really speaks for itself. I've given numbers and you disregard them. You can't help yourself from incessantly shitposting.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't speak for anything but your weird interpretation of it. I know you think your opinion is more important that everyone elses, but in reality not everybody feels the same way you do about everything, hence why were having this conversation.
As I always say in these kinds of threads, there are legitimate, debatable arguments against firearm ownership and you touch on none of them. Your entire opinion stems from empty fearmongering. It's complete and utter nonsense and it really boils down to you seriously can't comprehend any reason anyone might want to own a gun other than to commit a murder, and that's purely a logical short-out on your end. And honestly it seems to me like "projecting" (to use your favorite word), that you can't imagine owning a gun for any other reason than to kill a person.
There's no weird interpretation to "you want to shoot cops". You're not being subtle.
If you want to just flat out lie like that, after I've posted consistently legitimate arguments in this thread then go ahead, there's no need to continue for me with somebody who is dishonest and apparently a total moronic assclown.
Your "legitimate arguments" are bizarre elaborations on your weird paranoid fear that anyone with a gun is a ticking time bomb waiting for an excuse to shoot up a school. When anyone presses you on them you give up the facade pretty quickly, resorting to "well you just want to murder people!"
lol if you're argument against gun control is to construct elaborate improbable scenarios and then construe them as proof that people with guns are evil then you probably shouldn't be arguing about guns.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;48630338]lol if you're argument against gun control is to construct elaborate improbable scenarios and then construe them as proof that people with guns are evil then you probably shouldn't be arguing about guns.[/QUOTE]
Well it's fantastic I never did that then. Despite your fondness for making shit up out of thin air and trying to plaster it as my arguments pathetically. I think it's ridiculous to think that an SKS in the closest is going to protect you any major world power than is literally trying to kill you or your family. That's the real ridiculous bullshit going on here.
But you literally did [I]that exact thing[/I] and topped it off with a not-subtle accusation that he [I]actually[/I] just wants to shoot cops with it.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48629288]Yeah, that SKS is all you're going to need to take out the government, better make sure to get some extra practice in against drones. Hope you've practiced out to roughly 50,000 feet straight up into the air, it's going to take some serious skill to bring one of those down, but good luck man, I believe in you. Also good luck against any military hardware in particular including their weapons, trucks, armored cars and vehicles, tanks, attack helicopters, drones, naval artillery and of course their nuclear weapons, but don't worry we got you with the SKS on the case, ready to shoot all those things to bits. The only thing you'll likely do is shoot some innocent cop.[/QUOTE]
so...
Why don't you use your next post to explain to us what you [I]really[/I] meant with "The only thing you'll likely do is shoot some innocent cop." rather than just sayin "omg u r misintarpreting me"
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48630366]But you literally did [I]that exact thing[/I] and topped it off with a not-subtle accusation that he [I]actually[/I] just wants to shoot cops with it.
so...[/QUOTE]
Wait, are you that stupid, I listed off some things the government has and you construct that as some potential scenario? I was mocking him, haha wow I can't believe we are having a misunderstanding on your stupidity.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630363]Well its fantastic I never did that then. I think it's ridiculous to think that an SKS in the closest is going to protect you any major world power than is literally trying to kill you or your family. That's the real ridiculous bullshit going on here.[/QUOTE]
I find it ridiculous that you've managed to construct such a retarded narrative based on the vague statements we've made.
He never said he was going to take on the entirety of a world power with his SKS. You've managed to misconstrue his argument via the power of selective information processing in order to spout obvious bullshit in some vain attempt at refuting him because you couldn't formulate an actual argument.
[editline]6th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630374]Wait, are you that stupid, I listed off some things the government has and you construct that as some potential scenario? I was mocking him, haha wow I can't believe we are having a misunderstanding on your stupidity.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha perhaps you should construct an argument rather then come up with some narratives in a shoddy attempt at "mocking someone".
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630374]Wait, are you that stupid, I listed off some things the government has and you construct that as some potential scenario? I was mocking him, haha wow I can't believe we are having a misunderstanding on your stupidity.[/QUOTE]
lmfao I'm outtie holy shit
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48630378]lmfao I'm outtie holy shit[/QUOTE]
Yeah don't come back idiot lmao.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;48630375]I find it ridiculous that you've managed to construct such a retarded narrative based on the vague statements we've made.
He never said he was going to take on the entirety of a world power with his SKS. You've managed to misconstrue his argument via the power of selective information processing in order to spout obvious bullshit in some vain attempt at refuting him because you couldn't formulate an actual argument.
[editline]6th September 2015[/editline]
Hahaha perhaps you should construct an argument rather then come up with some narratives in a shoddy attempt at "mocking someone".[/QUOTE]
I understand you like to use the word "Narrative" ironically after your previous posts of constructing a false one about me, but please keep your psuedointellectual pacifier in the closest where it belongs.
The fedora's come all the way off boys watch out
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48630408]The fedora's come all the way off boys watch out[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it seems you've become really agitated over this last page. I'm sorry for upsetting your fragile narcissistic complex. I'll leave you to your devices.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48630408]The fedora's come all the way off boys watch out[/QUOTE]
This is not an argument.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630422]Yeah, it seems you've become really agitated over this last page. I'm sorry for upsetting your fragile narcissistic complex. I'll leave you to your devices.[/QUOTE]
"No u" is not an effective comeback
[QUOTE=Zyler;48630424]This is not an argument.[/QUOTE]
Neither is any of this:
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48629288]Yeah, that SKS is all you're going to need to take out the government, better make sure to get some extra practice in against drones. Hope you've practiced out to roughly 50,000 feet straight up into the air, it's going to take some serious skill to bring one of those down, but good luck man, I believe in you. Also good luck against any military hardware in particular including their weapons, trucks, armored cars and vehicles, tanks, attack helicopters, drones, naval artillery and of course their nuclear weapons, but don't worry we got you with the SKS on the case, ready to shoot all those things to bits. The only thing you'll likely do is shoot some innocent cop.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630211]I understand your necessity to circlejerk each other into relevance, but can you stop shitting up the thread with it? People should be able to present conflicting opinions without getting shut out by intolerance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630254]I've never referred to you as an evil gun owning redneck, that's pure projection on your end. All you've done is repeat your unsubstantial arguments over and over to the point of drowning any other points out because you don't have any to make.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630282]It doesn't speak for anything but your weird interpretation of it. I know you think your opinion is more important that everyone elses, but in reality not everybody feels the same way you do about everything, hence why were having this conversation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630306]If you want to just flat out lie like that, after I've posted consistently legitimate arguments in this thread then go ahead, there's no need to continue for me with somebody who is dishonest and apparently a total moronic assclown.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630363]Well it's fantastic I never did that then. Despite your fondness for making shit up out of thin air and trying to plaster it as my arguments pathetically. I think it's ridiculous to think that an SKS in the closest is going to protect you any major world power than is literally trying to kill you or your family. That's the real ridiculous bullshit going on here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630374]Wait, are you that stupid, I listed off some things the government has and you construct that as some potential scenario? I was mocking him, haha wow I can't believe we are having a misunderstanding on your stupidity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630384]Yeah don't come back idiot lmao.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630403]I understand you like to use the word "Narrative" ironically after your previous posts of constructing a false one about me, but please keep your psuedointellectual pacifier in the closest where it belongs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48630422]Yeah, it seems you've become really agitated over this last page. I'm sorry for upsetting your fragile narcissistic complex. I'll leave you to your devices.[/QUOTE]
but you don't seem to mind too much.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48630428]"No u" is not an effective comeback
Neither is any of this:
but you don't seem to mind too much.[/QUOTE]
Calling to question the arguments of the opposing side and constructing hypothetical situations is an argument, just not a very good one. Blatantly insulting somebody is not an argument, to do so and at the same time condemn another person for making bad faith arguments is hypocritical and a very clear instance of the pot calling the kettle black.
You cannot fairly respond to bad faith arguments by making bad faith arguments, be the bigger person here and remain calm and reasonable instead of losing your shit over an internet argument.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48630458]Calling to question the arguments of the opposing side and constructing hypothetical situations is an argument, just not a very good one. Blatantly insulting somebody is not an argument, to do so and at the same time condemn another person for making bad faith arguments is hypocritical and a very clear instance of the pot calling the kettle black.
You cannot fairly respond to bad faith arguments by making bad faith arguments, be the bigger person here and remain calm and reasonable instead of losing your shit over an internet argument.[/QUOTE]
This pot's beyond the point of attempting to hold an argument with that kettle. If he wants to nut up and posit a real argument then he can at any time, I'll be happy to discuss real issues with him as I have with many others. But I won't validate his fantasy world by treating it like something to be debated with.
I totally understand what you mean but if my shit was lost my posts would be much different. I've tried to reason with him multiple times over the past 27 pages and it never works.
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