[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48544953]No you can not. Something I learned during police training is that someone armed with a knife can be dangerous up to 31 feet. Knives can be thrown, people are fast, etc. Never underestimate someone with a knife.[/QUOTE]
If knives were just as effective as guns for murders and mass-murders you'd think they'd be used just as often. There's a reason why most murderers stick to guns though.
[QUOTE=Gump;48545006]This response is why I perceive firearms in the US as an issue. If you shoot guns as sport you should be working to make ensure there are measures taken so that people understand guns to a greater extent. Saying "And I have a leg up on armed crazies" Just undermines every argument you have.[/QUOTE]
There are tons of gun education programs.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48544953]No you can not. Something I learned during police training is that someone armed with a knife can be dangerous up to 31 feet. Knives can be thrown, people are fast, etc. Never underestimate someone with a knife.[/QUOTE]
Yes you fucking can what the hell are you going on about
Your police training is meant to minimize risk. You learn that in order to be prepared [I]if[/I] the person runs up to you or throws the knife. You don't learn that because he [I]will[/I] do either of those things and even if he does, it does not mean that he'll be as effective as he would be if he had a gun
for fucks sake how on earth can you people think a knife is just as effective and lethal as a firearm
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48545018]There are tons of gun education programs.[/QUOTE]
I think it'd be great if you were required to take a safety class before buying your first firearm. But the government would have to pay for it, and it wouldn't prevent violent crimes.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;48545016]If knives were just as effective as guns for murders and mass-murders you'd think they'd be used just as often. There's a reason why most murderers stick to guns though.[/QUOTE]
Remember when I said you don't care about facts? There have been multiple mass murders committed in Australia after the gun ban (actually the rate of mass murders increased) and they were all committed with weapons other than guns. But you'll conveniently overlook that or wave it off with an empty excuse.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48545030]I think it'd be great if you were required to take a safety class before buying your first firearm. But the government would have to pay for it, and it wouldn't prevent violent crimes.[/QUOTE]
Probably not a bad idea. A lot of states make you do a gun safety class or whatever before they let you buy handguns.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48544996]I just proved you wrong so you say you don't give a shit. Someone with a gun is more dangerous, but so fucking what? What do we do? We already have background checks and waiting periods, and if it turns out he brought this illegally, then nothing you ever propose would've stopped this. But as I said earlier, if every would just SHUT THE FUCK UP and let every detail get out then we could debate it, but no, always gotta use a fucking tragedy.[/QUOTE]
How did you prove me wrong? A person with a gun is more dangerous than a person with a knife in general; a person with a knife has a very limited effective range, granted so does a person with a gun, but that effective range is much larger. If I'm outside of the knife wielder's arms reach and I can maintain that distance I'm pretty much safe; not so with a gun, though.
People use the fucking tragedies to talk about gun control [I]because it's related to the god damn subject[/I]. If you can't take the murder out of humans, then you should take away the tools from humans that make murder easier (and no, banning knives doesn't count because we need knives to cut our food, so don't try taking us down that ridiculous path).
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48545029]Yes you fucking can what the hell are you going on about
Your police training is meant to minimize risk. You learn that in order to be prepared [I]if[/I] the person runs up to you or throws the knife. You don't learn that because he [I]will[/I] do either of those things and even if he does, it does not mean that he'll be as effective as he would be if he had a gun
for fucks sake how on earth can you people think a knife is just as effective and lethal as a firearm[/QUOTE]
Hey guys, I can't read and I put words and peoples mouths. That's what I just read there. DID I EVER FUCKING SAY KNIFES ARE AS DANGEROUS? NO.
[QUOTE=sltungle;48545037]How did you prove me wrong? A person with a gun is more dangerous than a person with a knife in general; a person with a knife has a very limited effective range, granted so does a person with a gun, but that effective range is much larger. If I'm outside of the knife wielder's arms reach and I can maintain that distance I'm pretty much safe; not so with a gun, though.
People use the fucking tragedies to talk about gun control [I]because it's related to the god damn subject[/I]. If you can't take the murder out of humans, then you should take away the tools from humans that make murder easier (and no, banning knives doesn't count because we need knives to cut our food, so don't try taking us down that ridiculous path).[/QUOTE]
A person out to kill is dangerous period. What they use to kill is a moot point.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48545038]Hey guys, I can't read and I put words and peoples mouths. That's what I just read there. DID I EVER FUCKING SAY KNIFES ARE AS DANGEROUS? NO.[/QUOTE]
you're certainly acting like it mate
you literally said you absolutely cannot outrun or fight someone with a knife lol
[QUOTE=sltungle;48545037]How did you prove me wrong? A person with a gun is more dangerous than a person with a knife in general; a person with a knife has a very limited effective range, granted so does a person with a gun, but that effective range is much larger. If I'm outside of the knife wielder's arms reach and I can maintain that distance I'm pretty much safe; not so with a gun, though.
People use the fucking tragedies to talk about gun control [I]because it's related to the god damn subject[/I]. If you can't take the murder out of humans, then you should take away the tools from humans that make murder easier (and no, banning knives doesn't count because we need knives to cut our food, so don't try taking us down that ridiculous path).[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't ban things which aren't likely to be used in crimes on the basis that they aren't needed, particularly when the right to own them has been guaranteed since the country's formation and millions of people own the thing in question.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48544969]That isn't possible. I go to gun shows all the time. You still have to do the FFL paperwork as you would at a normal store.[/QUOTE]
It operates on a state by state basis, other states including my own have it where you can just buy a gun and run with it. No paperwork or wait times. You don't see a problem with that?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48544976]How do you solve the bad apples without criminalizing and abusing law abiding gun owners (which constitutes the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of gun owners)? I own 12 - in all solution put forward so far I'm out a collection worth about $10,000 with further historic and sentimental value as many of them are approaching 100 years of age.
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Well that really is the hard part of the question isn't it. It's not a simple one size fits all solution for this sort of thing. I think that at least as a basic measure, why not just start with ending this no wait time/ no paperwork gun show nonsense, surely that would help something.
Handguns are by and far the worst perpetrators for most crimes, as mentioned earlier, I think limiting their acquisition would help the most, I'm not a lawyer, I don't know how to draft legislation that would selectively protect legitimate and safe gun owners while also punishing those who would commit violent crimes, but could we agree that the principle is just and if there was a way, we should implement it?
Rumor apparently has it he's at an airport? If that's to be believed, TSA WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU YOU INCOMPETENT FUCKS
Police are in pursuit of the suspect.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48545040]A person out to kill is dangerous period. What they use to kill is a moot point.[/QUOTE]
It's not a moot point in the least. Again, I stand a fighting chance against a man who confronts me with a knife; I'm more likely than not becoming a chalk outline on the pavement if a man with a gun confronts me.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48545047]TSA YOU INCOMPETENT FUCKS[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for ya.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48545044]you're certainly acting like it mate
you literally said you absolutely cannot outrun or fight someone with a knife lol[/QUOTE]
No, someone stated they can outrun someone or even take the knife away, I stated up to a certain number of feet that person is considered pretty dangerous. In some cases you can not outrun that person, or you can not take that knife away, it's that simple. Maybe I should've put it down better.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48545029]for fucks sake how on earth can you people think a knife is just as effective and lethal as a firearm[/QUOTE]
pretty sure knives are pretty lethal
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48545046]It operates on a state by state basis, other states including my own have it where you can just buy a gun and run with it. No paperwork or wait times. You don't see a problem with that?[/quote]
I definitely see a problem with it - even as a beneficiary of it. I was able to buy a 109 year old shotgun with no paperwork and no prior knowledge of firearms. Regardless of my intent for buying it, it could have been dangerous to me, so there's at least two serious red flags with gun show sales.
[quote]Well that really is the hard part of the question isn't it. It's not a simple one size fits all solution for this sort of thing. I think that at least as a basic measure, why not just start with ending this no wait time/ no paperwork gun show nonsense, surely that would help something.[/quote]
Wait times are silly and haven't been shown to slow or stop crime, they only inconvenience people who are going through the trouble of buying through an FFL. But yes - the paperwork needs to be there.
[quote]Handguns by far are the worst perpetrators for most crimes, as mentioned earlier, I think limited their acquisition would help the most, I'm not a lawyer, I don't know how to draft legislation that would selectively protect legitimate and safe gun owners while also punishing those who would commit violent crimes, but could we agree that the principle is just and if there was a way, we should implement it?[/QUOTE]
Most gun owners in the US will agree with you - that any measures that could be taken without harming law abiding citizens should be taken. But there haven't been any good solutions proposed, let alone implemented. We still have shit like NFA on the books and that's not helping anything.
I think I read somewhere that most violent crimes are actually committed with hunting rifles and shotguns, but handguns are either equal or a close second. Keep in mind though that those handguns are generally $150 Hi-points, not more expensive or collectible guns.
I would start by repealing NFA and the '86 machine gun ban (which has criminalized people for owning shoe strings), form a modern firearm classification system and work from there. At the very least, the cutoff for "antique" guns needs to be moved from 1899 to 1959 before we start cracking down on handguns and stuff.
Person of interest in WDBJ Virginia shooting: Vester Flanagan, on air name was Bryce Williams. OMG HE IS POSTING ON TWITTER... [url]https://twitter.com/bryce_williams7[/url] He posted other videos... fuck...
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48545094]Person of interest in WDBJ Virginia shooting: Vester Flanagan, on air name was Bryce Williams. OMG HE IS POSTING ON TWITTER... [url]https://twitter.com/bryce_williams7[/url][/QUOTE]
What the fuck
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48545102]What the fuck[/QUOTE]
The videos show him shooting her...
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48545094]Person of interest in WDBJ Virginia shooting: Vester Flanagan, on air name was Bryce Williams. OMG HE IS POSTING ON TWITTER... [url]https://twitter.com/bryce_williams7[/url] He posted other videos... fuck...[/QUOTE]
WHAT THE FUCK
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48545102]What the fuck[/QUOTE]
I just happened to find it... fucking hell....
Man looking at his twitter feed. This guy is messed up. Told you guys he was a lunatic.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48545094]Person of interest in WDBJ Virginia shooting: Vester Flanagan, on air name was Bryce Williams. OMG HE IS POSTING ON TWITTER... [url]https://twitter.com/bryce_williams7[/url] He posted other videos... fuck...[/QUOTE]
Oh my god he filmed the shooting, DO NOT WATCH THAT TOP VIDEO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE BEING SHOT
Jesus fucking christ the video
[QUOTE=heyitsdan;48545118]Oh my god he filmed the shooting, DO NOT WATCH THAT TOP VIDEO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE BEING SHOT[/QUOTE]
Account suspended. That was quick.
[editline]26th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48545122]Jesus fucking christ the video[/QUOTE]
Yeah I shouldn't have clicked on that link. Fucking day is ruined now.
This is fucked up... fuck... Who the fuck does this shit! Sorry about sharing the video, by the way, I was posting about something else and found the twitter.
His account was suspended, I can't see anything. I think that might be a good thing.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48545128]His account was suspended, I can't see anything. I think that might be a good thing.[/QUOTE]
You honestly don't want to see it.
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