• Girl, 13, 'gang-raped by 20 men when she was just 11' sobs in court as she's shown video of horrific
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[QUOTE=Laferio;37476791]thats probably because when somebody IS typically sentenced to death, we keep them on deathrow for many MANY years.[/QUOTE] Even if we didn't, it would still cost a fortune and in the end do no good. Death penalty is a system based on revenge and contributes nothing to our society.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37476792]im gonna murder you oh my god[/QUOTE] rape is wrong but its ok to murder youre a smart cookie arent you Btw in the article as far as I can tell she went to the location willingly with 20 men and took drugs which isn't too smart to do
[QUOTE=Laferio;37476816]I'm still baffled at the, "I hate lawyers" comment. I mean seriously? Its their fucking job.[/QUOTE] The other side of the "fair trial" coin is that you have people doing their very best to make sure people who rape 11 year olds get off with the smallest sentence possible.
[QUOTE=flight;37476645]uh she was laughing and smiling while getting "raped" I'm in middleschool and knowing 11 year olds now days there are alot out there just asking to be raped by dressing like sluts and hanging out with gangs of adults etc.[/QUOTE] Potential rapist right fucking here [QUOTE=Laferio;37476816]I'm still baffled at the, "I hate lawyers" comment. I mean seriously? Its their fucking job.[/QUOTE] C'mon now, you seriously don't think it would be better to just get rid of lawyers altogether and have the state decide who is innocent or guilty? Seriously? [I]Seriously?[/I]
[QUOTE=flight;37476829]rape is wrong but its ok to murder youre a smart cookie arent you Btw in the article as far as I can tell she went to the location willingly with 20 men and took drugs which isn't too smart to do[/QUOTE] She's fucking 11. Maybe the 20 men who gave her drugs are at fault?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476806]They deserve a fair trail, but the response to damning evidence in a fair trail shouldn't be immediately trying to find some way to have it thrown out.[/QUOTE] Uhh why not? If you can throw it out, you're able to give your client an even better shot at a lesser sentence. The plaintiff has to do all the work in a trial anyway. They do a shoddy job at getting the video admitted as evidence and shown in a legal manner, then they deserve it not to be shown. Defendents don't have to do jack shit besides respond to the plaintiff and poke holes in anything brought against them. That being said, they've already shown it so the image is there. You can't unring a bell, as they say. Even if they get the evidence removed, it will have still swayed a couple jurors into finding them guilty.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476751]Dear God no. I'm saying that putting yourself into a bad situation is a stupid thing to do, but when compared to this case there's no way you could argue the girl is at fault to any degree. Can we focus on the actual rape and not the hyptothetical one?[/QUOTE] There is no way anyone could ever be at fault for rape, no matter what situation they are in its still just as bad, its still terrible, it may be a little more easy to understand how the fuck it happened, but that doesn't change how fucking awful it is, these fucking amoeba's deserve hardcore punishment, fuck these guys.
"It's her fault she was raped." Words of wisdom from a facepunch middle-schooler.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476806]They deserve a fair trail, but the response to damning evidence in a fair trail shouldn't be immediately trying to find some way to have it thrown out.[/QUOTE] They're trying to get their client acquitted, that's their job.
Fucking christ, how could anyone do this to a kid? Ever? [QUOTE=dogmachines;37476577]What the fuck is wrong with these people. And their lawyers want to get the video evidence thrown out? I fucking hate lawyers.[/QUOTE] Fuck people like you. Seriously. My dad's a lawyer, he had to defend a serial killer when i was young. People attacked my house, attacked me at school, and fucked with my family because the government assigned him to this man as his defendant and he was doing his fucking job. I lost friends and my family lost friends over it. People have to do a job they don't always want to.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37476835]Uhh why not? If you can throw it out, you're able to give your client an even better shot at a lesser sentence. The plaintiff has to do all the work in a trial anyway. They do a shoddy job at getting the video admitted as evidence and shown in a legal manner, then they deserve it not to be shown. That being said, they've already shown it so the image is there. You can't unring a bell, as they say. Even if they get the evidence removed, it will have still swayed a couple jurors into finding them guilty.[/QUOTE] It's their job, I know, and it's what their job says they are supposed to do. I can guarantee they don't do it because they think it's morally right.
[QUOTE=flight;37476829]rape is wrong but its ok to murder youre a smart cookie arent you Btw in the article as far as I can tell she went to the location willingly with 20 men and took drugs which isn't too smart to do[/QUOTE] yes you're right i'm legitimately going to murder you, that wasn't just a saying or anything. yes it wasn't smart, doesn't change that her being raped is terrible and wrong, the men are still at extreme fault, and deserve all punishments, rape is never acceptable, neither is murder of course, but yeah.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;37476831]Potential rapist right fucking here C'mon now, you seriously don't think it would be better to just get rid of lawyers altogether and have the state decide who is innocent or guilty? Seriously? [I]Seriously?[/I][/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic. Getting rid of lawyers all together? Lol.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37476846]Fucking christ, how could anyone do this to a kid? Ever? Fuck people like you. Seriously. My dad's a lawyer, he had to defend a serial killer when i was young. People attacked my house, attacked me at school, and fucked with my family because the government assigned him to this man as his defendant and he was doing his fucking job. I lost friends and my family lost friends over it. People have to do a job they don't always want to.[/QUOTE] Pardon me for disliking people who try to keep people who rape 11 year olds from prison.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476611]The things people will do for money continues to amaze me.[/QUOTE] A LOT of criminal lawyers, especially when they(criminals) don't have their own expensive lawyer, are just state appointed lawyers that are normal people and are just doing their job.
[QUOTE=flight;37476645]uh she was laughing and smiling while getting "raped" I'm in middleschool and knowing 11 year olds now days there are alot out there just asking to be raped by dressing like sluts and hanging out with gangs of adults etc.[/QUOTE] Get out of here. You'd think after being raped repeatedly she would have psychological trauma? Still fucked up. There's lots of things to point fingers at. One of them would be today's media and society. The line between childhood and adulthood is almost blurred, when one thing would fly to the other. You see it everywhere, the infantizing of grown women and the "older" clothing styles being shown for children.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;37476842]They're trying to get their client acquitted, that's their job.[/QUOTE] Yes I know. Lawyers are a necessary evil in my opinion. They do a job that has to be done, even if their motives can be suspect because money can come into the equation so often.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476862]Pardon me for disliking people who try to keep people who rape 11 year olds from prison.[/QUOTE] That lawyer won't be able to do that, this case is pretty cut and clear. And you dislike him because someone appointed him to this shit more than likely or do you KNOW for a fact this guy took this job as their lawyer that they had personally selected. There's a HUGE fucking difference. People like you are the reason people broke all the windows on my house when I was 9.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476862]Pardon me for disliking people who try to keep people who rape 11 year olds from prison.[/QUOTE] It's literally their job to do their best to defend someone in court. You might as well be angry at the justice system for not completely skipping the trial and just tossing them straight into jail.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476862]Pardon me for disliking people who try to keep people who rape 11 year olds from prison.[/QUOTE] okay lawyers don't exclusively keep child rapists from going to prison [editline]30th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dogmachines;37476881]Yes I know. Lawyers are a necessary evil in my opinion. They do a job that has to be done, even if their motives can be suspect because money can come into the equation so often.[/QUOTE] betting that these particular lawyers are public defenders, paid by the government.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37476866]A LOT of criminal lawyers, especially when they(criminals) don't have their own expensive lawyer, are just state appointed lawyers that are normal people and are just doing their job.[/QUOTE] And there is nothing wrong with those people. Just don't expect me to be happy as I see the justice system go from a system that takes all evidence into account to a system where lawyers find any loophole or technicality they can to keep their client from going to prison.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476851]It's their job, I know, and it's what their job says they are supposed to do. I can guarantee they don't do it because they think it's morally right.[/QUOTE] Or maybe some people deserve in a system that allows justice to be metered out with a logical hand and not a hot blooded hand. That despite peoples crimes they deserve some fairness in trial at the very least? No, it's cause they're fucking monsters right Corporate lawyers are the real monsters you dolt.
[QUOTE=Laferio;37476858]I can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic. Getting rid of lawyers all together? Lol.[/QUOTE] I can't italicize those letters any further to make my sarcasm clearer [QUOTE=dogmachines;37476894]And there is nothing wrong with those people. Just don't expect me to be happy as I see the justice system go from a system that takes all evidence into account to a system where lawyers find any loophole or technicality they can to keep their client from going to prison.[/QUOTE] But the justice system has always been like this. It's not like the government suddenly passed some Loopholes & Technicalities in Court Act or something.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476862]Pardon me for disliking people who try to keep people who rape 11 year olds from prison.[/QUOTE] They don't really need people hating them to feel the strain of their job. I knew a public defender back in Mock Trial; guy spent most of his time gaming or drinking down at the bar (most of his stories involved him getting drunk.) These guys probably have public defenders, would you want someone hating you if your entire job is to give a fair trial to those who [I]can't[/I] otherwise get a fair trial?
[QUOTE=flight;37476645]uh she was laughing and smiling while getting "raped" I'm in middleschool and knowing 11 year olds now days there are alot out there just asking to be raped by dressing like sluts and hanging out with gangs of adults etc. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("I think it's best for you to focus on middleschool work for now" - Starpluck))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Well, I didn't think we'd get on so close to the end of the month, but you've proven me wrong! [IMG]http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm225/SkywardDescent/FLIGHTISADUMBASS.png[/IMG] Its a damn shame he won't be around to receive his award...
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476862]Pardon me for disliking people who try to keep people who rape 11 year olds from prison.[/QUOTE] Fuck off, that's full on retarded dude come on, no one would choose to defend these fucks if they had a choice, and if they get assigned to it they won't turn it down because they may not get more money in quite some time, it comes down to money, and the fact that they uphold the law and make sure the defendant at least gets the constitutional shit done well is fucking honorable, so seriously, go away.
Poor girl. At least it will probably put those sniveling little bitches in prison. I love the way they seem to be on the verge of crying in their mugshots. I hope they have holes dug in them every day for the rest of their life while they rot in detainment. Fucking animals.
Can someone explain to me how they lured the girl into the building to rape her? I am just a bit confused, seeing as most 11 year old kids I know (both boys and girls) wouldn't wonder off with a random strange man to a building. So I'm wondering how this scumbag tricked her (if he did) or if he's a family relative or something?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476894]And there is nothing wrong with those people. Just don't expect me to be happy as I see the justice system go from a system that takes all evidence into account to a system where lawyers find any loophole or technicality they can to keep their client from going to prison.[/QUOTE] What fucking world are you living in? This isn't some comic book where the criminal bad guy has a masterful lawyer paid by the mob that can figure anything and everything out and will devote hours and money to the case. This is real life where these scum bags get public defendants and court appointed lawyers who are just going to do their best to make sure their clients get a fair trial and don't have their rights abused. They're going to try and do their job but there's not a lot of room unless the police fuck up a case like this.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37476895]Or maybe some people deserve in a system that allows justice to be metered out with a logical hand and not a hot blooded hand. That despite peoples crimes they deserve some fairness in trial at the very least? No, it's cause they're fucking monsters right Corporate lawyers are the real monsters you dolt.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that a fair trial can go both ways. Getting legitimate evidence thrown out is just as unfair to the victims as using a false confession is to the defendant.
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