• Girl, 13, 'gang-raped by 20 men when she was just 11' sobs in court as she's shown video of horrific
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[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476862]Pardon me for disliking people who try to keep people who rape 11 year olds from prison.[/QUOTE] wow public defenders are heroes. they're doing their part to keep the legal system fair for peanuts.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476894]And there is nothing wrong with those people. Just don't expect me to be happy as I see the justice system go from a system that takes all evidence into account to a system where lawyers find any loophole or technicality they can to keep their client from going to prison.[/QUOTE] Uhh those examples are one in the same. If you can't properly submit something as evidence and get it verified by the judge then you deserve to have it thrown out. Again, the plaintiff has to do [B]all[/B] the work in a legal case because the defendant is assumed innocent until proven guilty (aka, burden of proof is on the plaintiff.) If I'm defending someone and I had an opportunity to get some evidence thrown out because a lawyer got sloppy, you're damn right I'd grill him on it.
[QUOTE=Nick Nack;37476927]Poor girl. At least it will probably put those sniveling little bitches in prison. I love the way they seem to be on the verge of crying in their mugshots. I hope they have holes dug in them every day for the rest of their life while they rot in detainment. Fucking animals.[/QUOTE] No they probably have prison cells to hold them in.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37476936]What fucking world are you living in? This isn't some comic book where the criminal bad guy has a masterful lawyer paid by the mob that can figure anything and everything out and will devote hours and money to the case. This is real life where these scum bags get public defendants and court appointed lawyers who are just going to do their best to make sure their clients get a fair trial and don't have their rights abused. They're going to try and do their job but there's not a lot of room unless the police fuck up a case like this.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying all lawyers are scheming assholes, but it does happen. OJ for example. I get that these people are public defenders. I'm less angry at them, more unhappy at the system.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476938]I'm saying that a fair trial can go both ways. Getting legitimate evidence thrown out is just as unfair to the victims as using a false confession is to the defendant.[/QUOTE] If that legitimate evidence is violation of an actual rule, then why shouldn't it be? I get it, you're angry and mad, who isn't about this and what happened to that girl, but there's a system to be done here and people like you hating people that have to do this job, representing these people. They know it's horrible. More than you do. You want to know something REALLY fucked up? My dad has sat across a table from a man who has killed 14 people, some, children, and he's heard this man confess every dirty, dark, fucked up secret about those acts. He's heard those details. Guess what, you haven't and in cases like this or any other one with fucked up ones, [B]be happy you don't and aren't the guy who has to, every day.[/B]
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37476976]Uhh those examples are one in the same. If you can't properly submit something as evidence and get it verified by the judge then you deserve to have it thrown out. Again, the plaintiff has to do [B]all[/B] the work in a legal case because the defendant is assumed innocent until proven guilty (aka, burden of proof is on the plaintiff.) If I'm defending someone and I had an opportunity to get some evidence thrown out because a lawyer got sloppy, you're damn right I'd grill him on it.[/QUOTE] The problem is that the motivation for calling evidence into question doesn't ever seem to be justice. It's always "this evidence can prove something, better attack it". The action is right but it's done for the wrong reasons.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;37476910]I can't italicize those letters any further to make my sarcasm clearer But the justice system has always been like this. It's not like the government suddenly passed some Loopholes & Technicalities in Court Act or something.[/QUOTE] I can't read sarcasm. [I]At all[/I].
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476987]I'm not saying all lawyers are scheming assholes, but it does happen. OJ for example. I get that these people are public defenders. I'm less angry at them, more unhappy at the system.[/QUOTE] Holy fucking shit. You think OJ had a public defender? OJ's a rich as fuck guy who BOUGHT A TEAM OF LAWYERS TO DEFEND HIMSELF. You're ridiculous and naive.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37477010]Holy fucking shit. You think OJ had a public defender? OJ's a rich as fuck guy who BOUGHT A TEAM OF LAWYERS TO DEFEND HIMSELF. You're ridiculous and naive.[/QUOTE] Where the fuck did I say OJ had a public defender.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476997]The problem is that the motivation for calling evidence into question doesn't ever seem to be justice. It's always "this evidence can prove something, better attack it". The action is right but it's done for the wrong reasons.[/QUOTE] Do you know this by reading court transcripts or by hearing about it through a 3rd party? I hate to defend murderers here, but in court, when someone tries to get some evidence thrown out, there's a specific reason beyond "welp, that's incriminating" because if it was that easy, no one could go to jail. You know what, just shut up about how the legal system works.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;37476701]you know that public attorneys make like jack shit right? 40k/ yr MAYBE. it's the bottom of the barrel work for lawyers, aka young kids out of college, who have 3-400k+ student loans to pay off.[/QUOTE] thats a lot more than I make
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476997]The problem is that the motivation for calling evidence into question doesn't ever seem to be justice. It's always "this evidence can prove something, better attack it". The action is right but it's done for the wrong reasons.[/QUOTE] So what the fuck do you expect them to do then? To just sit there and not try?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37476997]The problem is that the motivation for calling evidence into question doesn't ever seem to be justice. It's always "this evidence can prove something, better attack it". The action is right but it's done for the wrong reasons.[/QUOTE] By wrong reasons you mean morality? A lawyer's job requires them to put any moral bias to rest and do everything they can to defend people in court.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37477025]Where the fuck did I say OJ had a public defender.[/QUOTE] Yeah, misread that. Then get mad at those guys, the system is exploitable, that's a flaw with it, but don't post something like your first post here where you disparage the public defender in this case needlessly. Go ahead and hate people who get away with it because they have money, don't hate the people who have to defend these scumbags. They don't even get to go to bed not knowing what they know. [editline]30th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37477032]thats a lot more than I make[/QUOTE] So what? 40k is shit for money for the amount of schooling you go through for it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37477048]Yeah, misread that. Then get mad at those guys, the system is exploitable, that's a flaw with it, but don't post something like your first post here where you disparage the public defender in this case needlessly. Go ahead and hate people who get away with it because they have money, don't hate the people who have to defend these scumbags. They don't even get to go to bed not knowing what they know. [editline]30th August 2012[/editline] So what? 40k is shit for money for the amount of schooling you go through for it.[/QUOTE] I made a kneejerk post in reaction to the way the system works. It was more a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation than an actual hate of public defenders. I didn't think people would get so upset about the suggestion that not all lawyers genuinely care about their clients and that a good deal of them are just looking for a paycheck.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37477025]Where the fuck did I say OJ had a public defender.[/QUOTE] it was a misleading sentence
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37477032]thats a lot more than I make[/QUOTE] yeah.. and you didn't go to law school [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] seriously what was the point of this post
[QUOTE=Lambeth;37477072]it was a misleading sentence[/QUOTE] I agree, I just woke up.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37477032]thats a lot more than I make[/QUOTE] Paying off student loans for moderately successful doctors and lawyers (100-150k+) can last until they're 35-40. Now give them the same loan but at a fraction of the income.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37477070]I made a kneejerk post in reaction to the way the system works. It was more a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation than an actual hate of public defenders. I didn't think people would get so upset about the suggestion that not all lawyers genuinely care about their clients and that a good deal of them are just looking for a paycheck.[/QUOTE] As this conversation has shown, you were unaware that these people had lawyers that wouldn't be working around the clock for them and it seems you were unaware of there being actual reasons for evidence to be thrown out of court. Maybe it's knee jerk, and I know I knee jerk upon seeing something like that, but still. Why even bother hating a lawyer when the real monsters are the rapists.
What does killing these people do? They are obviously deeply troubled individuals.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37477091]As this conversation has shown, you were unaware that these people had lawyers that wouldn't be working around the clock for them and it seems you were unaware of there being actual reasons for evidence to be thrown out of court. Maybe it's knee jerk, and I know I knee jerk upon seeing something like that, but still. Why even bother hating a lawyer when the real monsters are the rapists.[/QUOTE] I didn't want the thread to fill with posts with reacting to mine. I'm content to hate the rapists all day long.
Jesus the retardation in this thread. Are you really fucking blaming lawyers from doing their jobs, not only to uphold all the rights to his defendant, but to uphold the major processes of the justice system? Do you think lawyers LIKE to defend serial killers, rapists, etc? In fact why don't we blame the cops who arrested them instead? They clearly should have just shot all of them instead of adhering to the justice system and arresting them properly, these scum obviously need to die right? Speaking of that are you really calling for these people to be shot, executed, or worse? Although there may be issues with the current justice system, there is a reason we use it, you know, instead of shooting every criminal ever. Some of you need to mature/wake up/get your head checked. Also I feel for you and your family HumanAbyss.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37477098]What does killing these people do? They are obviously deeply troubled individuals.[/QUOTE] Revenge I guess. It's wrong, but it's hard to feel sympathy for people that rape 11 year olds with a beer bottle.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37477032]thats a lot more than I make[/QUOTE] Dude what the fuck? That's literally like poverty in my area, I assume you don't live full-time/didn't go to college? [editline]30th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37477089]Paying off student loans for moderately successful doctors and lawyers (100-150k+) can last until they're 35-40. Now give them the same loan but at a fraction of the income.[/QUOTE] Some guy did the math and figured that if you spent 140k on education then the amount you'd have to make more than you would otherwise would have to be about $2, that is to say that if you make $2 more than you would if you didn't take college, college has successfully paid for itself, and doctors and shit make like 70-120$ an hour so...
[QUOTE=Novangel;37477121]Jesus the retardation in this thread. Are you really fucking blaming lawyers from doing their jobs, not only to uphold all the rights to his defendant, but to uphold the major processes of the justice system? Do you think lawyers LIKE to defend serial killers, rapists, etc? In fact why don't we blame the cops who arrested them instead? They clearly should have just shot all of them instead of adhering to the justice system and arresting them properly, these scum obviously need to die right? Speaking of that are you really calling for these people to be shot, executed, or worse? Although there may be issues with the current justice system, there is a reason we use it, you know, instead of shooting every criminal ever. Some of you need to mature/wake up/get your head checked. Also I feel for you and your family HumanAbyss.[/QUOTE] I'm blaming [i]some[/i] lawyers because they do their job not because they want to see justice done, but because they want a paycheck. Wanting to get paid for working isn't wrong, but when somebody's future is at stake it should go a bit deeper than that.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37477128]Revenge I guess. It's wrong, but it's hard to feel sympathy for people that rape 11 year olds with a beer bottle.[/QUOTE] I don't think you should need to sympathize with deranged people, but it's ridiculous to kill them.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37477148]I'm blaming [i]some[/i] lawyers because they do their job not because they want to see justice done, but because they want a paycheck. Wanting to get paid for working isn't wrong, but when somebody's future is at stake it should go a bit deeper than that.[/QUOTE] nothing to do with this case or thread really I sure as shit don't symapthesize with these people, but I don't want to fucking murder them. This has never gotten anyone anywhere in anything. Why kill someone you don't have to
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37477151]I don't think you should need to sympathize with deranged people, but it's ridiculous to kill them.[/QUOTE] I agree but I can understand wanting to kill them better than I can understand wanting to gang-rape an 11 year old.
[QUOTE=Novangel;37477121]Jesus the retardation in this thread. Are you really fucking blaming lawyers from doing their jobs, not only to uphold all the rights to his defendant, but to uphold the major processes of the justice system? Do you think lawyers LIKE to defend serial killers, rapists, etc? In fact why don't we blame the cops who arrested them instead? They clearly should have just shot all of them instead of adhering to the justice system and arresting them properly, these scum obviously need to die right? Speaking of that are you really calling for these people to be shot, executed, or worse? Although there may be issues with the current justice system, there is a reason we use it, you know, instead of shooting every criminal ever. Some of you need to mature/wake up/get your head checked. Also I feel for you and your family HumanAbyss.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone really [I]wants[/I] them to be put to death, they just want the fullest punishment imaginable. As does probably everyone here.
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