• NSA talking points document: "Just mention 9/11"
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Yep the spying sure is fucked obviously and not so obviously if you think being having to be registered in a database in order to move around freely (which is p much what driver's licenses are) is a jolly good thing free of all possible consequences remember that 'you are guilty until proven innocent' is how authoritarians work.
[QUOTE=valkery;42705821]To prevent 9/11 from happening again, we'll just kill thousands of civilians from other countries and piss off the rest of the world by spying on them. That'll make sure that nothing like 9/11 ever happens again in this great country of ours. Remember, it's better to make sure that anyone who could harm us is dead, rather than having another 9/11 on our hands. 9/11. Don't forget it, because if you do, we lose one of our biggest bargaining chips. 9/11, it's what's for dinner.[/QUOTE] 9/11 isn't a joke what the fuck is wrong with you [editline]31st October 2013[/editline] I could see this being used as fuel for conspiracy theorists who might say that 9/11 was planned to push through all of this anti-privacy nonsense. I personally believe the NSA and similar agencies are doing a good thing to an extent, I believe they have prevented lots of potential terrorist attacks, and if the Govt. must see the titties and dick picks sent to and from my phone then so be it. I also understand that people want their privacy and they should advocate for it fight for what you believe is right God bless.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42708171]9/11 isn't a joke what the fuck is wrong with you[/QUOTE] 911 wasn't a joke until the 'muh freedumbs'-types, whatever they are, got to and destroyed it. now 911 remembrance is so closely associated with government boondoggle that you can't help but to laugh at the absurdity.
Ugh, it always seems to come back to 9/11, I understand them wanting to stop another one of those events, but really, this spying is going over the top. All they have is an event which is years old to justify surveillance across the world, theres nothing else to fall back on.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42708171]9/11 isn't a joke what the fuck is wrong with you[/QUOTE] The event itself, in which almost 3,000 people died, is not a joke. The implications and impact on our culture, however, have become either a joke or a political skeleton key, depending on if you're asking a politician. 9/11 and terrorism have effectively become "get out of jail free" cards in nearly any political situation, capable of wiping any doubters or opposition away instantly for fear of them appearing un-American, and thereby committing political suicide. If anything, you should be telling politicians and lawmakers that, since they've effectively turned a horrific tragedy into an infinite-use and success-guaranteed bargaining chip. They sure seem to think it's funny. [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=fork in brain;42708208]911 wasn't a joke until the 'muh freedumbs'-types, whatever they are, got to and destroyed it. now 911 remembrance is so closely associated with government boondoggle that you can't help but to laugh at the absurdity.[/QUOTE] Beat me to it, although I tried to be a bit more verbose about it, for better or worse.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;42706824]ben franklin didn't live in the age of the internet and spaceships just sayin[/QUOTE] Sun Tzu didn't live in an age where guns, spy satellites, tanks, planes, and long distance communications were used in war, yet the Art of War is still widely considered a very credible authority on the subject.
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The NSA, CIA, etc are [B]full of fools.[/B] People need to realise that, you can not stop terrorism. It is a part of human nature. There will always be "the attack that slipped under the radar." You cant stop every single god damn terrorist attack from happening. Boo hoo.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42705814]do you guys in other countries have an equivalent of 9/11? like do you guys ever watch political debates on tv in london and somebody goes "hey what about that one time the americans didn't want the stamp tax" and suddenly gets everyone to support them?[/QUOTE] 26/11 nevar forget
[QUOTE=Fhenexx;42708620]Sun Tzu didn't live in an age where guns, spy satellites, tanks, planes, and long distance communications were used in war, yet the Art of War is still widely considered a very credible authority on the subject.[/QUOTE] The Art of War isn't really a book of tactics or strategies, it's just neat-sounding proverbs to put into the loading screens of RTS games.
I'd like to add one more thing. If you want to "fight terrorism" redub the "War on Terrorism" to "War on Humanity."
[QUOTE=SexualShark;42708969]I'd like to add one more thing. If you want to "fight terrorism" redub the "War on Terrorism" to "War on Humanity."[/QUOTE] All wars ever [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War"]except one[/URL] has been on humanity.
Remembuh the 3000 gazillion!
It's true though, if we aren't careful, Germany might come for revenge for WW2, Mexico might try to take Texas back, France will repo the Statue of Liberty! That's why we gotta watch everyone, even our Allies leaders.
-snip- [editline]31st October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Badballer;42707628]If the NSA are so good at preventing terrorism, then why did the Boston bombings happen?[/QUOTE] They were too occupied with the Occupy movement.
The terrorists won. They won so much they wouldn´t have thought they could win even if you made a telephone call back before 9/11 and told them directly. Just mentioning 9/11 makes american shit their pants. You want to win the war on terror? Then understand why they did it and how you take away their resources. And that resource is fear. And more war just ends up enducing more fear which leads the people on their side.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;42709074] They were too occupied with the Occupy movement.[/QUOTE] So NSA is easier to distract than a kid with ADHD?
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;42707354]This is all ad hominem.[/QUOTE] Except it isn't. [URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem[/URL]
Humans by nature have a need to rebel and go against the flow. As long as the US represents the status quo it is going to come under fire. Not to mention the environment in which terrorism proliferates, altough one created by a lot of different factors, one of those is US foreign policy. At this point it is just an exponentionaly vicious circle with no end in sight. -IMO
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;42709319]Except it isn't. [URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem[/URL][/QUOTE] Tu quoque, then. Appeal to hypocrisy. [url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque[/url]
[QUOTE=Badballer;42707628]If the NSA are so good at preventing terrorism, then why did the Boston bombings happen?[/QUOTE] If seatbelts, safety glass, and crumple zones are so good at preventing injuries in car accidents, then how come people still get injured in car crashes? Not everything's gonna have a 100% success rate. More importantly, if you actually read into the Boston Bombings, it was the FBI that screwed that one. The brothers were living in the US and were pretty much out of the NSA's jurisdiction. Not their job. [QUOTE=SexualShark;42708866]The NSA, CIA, etc are [B]full of fools.[/B] People need to realise that, you can not stop terrorism. It is a part of human nature. There will always be "the attack that slipped under the radar." You cant stop every single god damn terrorist attack from happening. Boo hoo.[/QUOTE] You can apply the same reasoning to law enforcement. Criminal acts are human nature. You can't stop every single crime from happening. ...Therefore let's disband the police? I don't think many people would agree with you there. Obviously terrorism is still going to happen but we can at least try to limit it just as we try to limit other forms of destructive criminal activity within our borders.
[QUOTE=Riller;42708967]The Art of War isn't really a book of tactics or strategies, it's just neat-sounding proverbs to put into the loading screens of RTS games.[/QUOTE] It gives extremely vague but sensible advice that can be applied to everything and really should be common sense but for some reason isn't. Instant best-seller.
Some planes and about three thousand deaths sent us on a still-running, decade old rampage of doing anything we can to stop terrorism. And I mean anything. Tens of thousands of service men and women deaths. Astronomical amounts of money - so we can drop 15 million dollar bombs on caves were terrorists might be hiding. Absurd focus on spying on everyone, regardless of laws and precedents. Jumping up and down anytime someone questions the merit of all these actions, by saying how dare they forget 9/11. Yeah, terrorists won alright. They made a global superpower basically do a shitting backflip onto it's own dick with some scare tactics.
"He who would forget 9/11 deserves neither freedom nor liberty," -Abraham Lincoln, I think.
Yet when you mention that 9/11 was probably an inside job you're fucking insane. [video=youtube;yuC_4mGTs98]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98[/video] And I bet that half of you would be willing to bend over to whatever policy anyone decides to come up with if another similar attack that happened to kill a huge number of people in America (like 5000) happened tomorrow. Listen to the man's last words: [video=youtube;5yB3n9fu-rM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM&hd=1[/video]
[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;42711204]Yet when you mention that 9/11 was probably an inside job you're fucking insane. [video=youtube;yuC_4mGTs98]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98[/video] And I bet that half of you would be willing to bend over to whatever policy anyone decides to come up with if another similar attack that happened to kill a huge number of people in America (like 5000) happened tomorrow.[/QUOTE] fuck off
[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;42711204]Yet when you mention that 9/11 was probably an inside job you're fucking insane.[/QUOTE] No, just a tinfoil-wearing idiot with massive selective bias regarding evidence and the simultaneous paradoxical view that the government was capable of pulling off this incredibly elaborate scheme involving thousands and thousands of willing conspirators but couldn't keep it secret from teenagers with Google or avoid copying [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_%28TV_series%29#September_11_parallel]the plot of an X-Files spinoff[/url].
Thanks for aiding my point, along with anyone who rates me dumb and agrees with a super insightful and thought provoking comment such as "fuck off". [QUOTE=catbarf;42711260]No, just a tinfoil-wearing idiot with massive selective bias regarding evidence and the simultaneous paradoxical view that the government was capable of pulling off this incredibly elaborate scheme involving thousands and thousands of willing conspirators but couldn't keep it secret from teenagers with Google or avoid copying [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_series)#September_11_parallel"]the plot of an X-Files spinoff[/URL].[/QUOTE] This is exactly what anyone said about someone who thought the government had the privacy invading capabilities that we now know they do. It's actually exactly the same argument. Looking back now, all the crazy conspiracy theorists were right. That doesn't mean anything about 9/11 is right, but given how related both subjects are it isn't out of the question to at least QUESTION the validity of the given reports and of the conspiracy theories. If you're paying attention at all to the leaks, you'd realize that his has been happening for over a decade, so they were able to keep it a secret for that long at least.
If you look closely at footage of the planes just before they struck the towers, you can clearly see George Bush straddling one like a cowboy, waving a ten gallon hat above his head.
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