• Patent Troll grabs 3D Printing DRM patent to protect personal 3D printing
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Guess what happens next? Companies are gonna have to pay royalties to this Patent Troll, and the end product will still have DRM but only be more expensive.
At first I thought this was bad, but then I thought it was amazing since he'd apparently sue anyone who tried to do 3D Printing DRM without his permission, but now after reading in full, it just seems like it's cutting out piracy. I just hope this doesn't kill off the notion of free blueprints, since homebrew 3D printing is an awesome thing.
[QUOTE=maurits150;38018099]Guess what happens next? Companies are gonna have to pay royalties to this Patent Troll, and the end product will still have DRM but only be more expensive.[/QUOTE] And because of that the DRM will probably be really bad for legit customers.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;38017566]How?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.reprap.org/wiki/RepRap[/url] [url]https://shop.ultimaker.com/en/ultimaker-kit-new.html[/url] (over $1,000, but still notable) The MakerBot is expensive at $2,200. The DIY community has been creating 3D printers for less than $1,000 for years.
[QUOTE=Overv;38018168]And because of that the DRM will probably be really bad for legit customers.[/QUOTE] So in all actuality this isn't good at all for licensed blueprints? Welp, guess i'm getting my crockery and electronics blueprints from homebrew indies or GOG.
[QUOTE=ironman17;38018155]... I just hope this doesn't kill off the notion of free blueprints, since homebrew 3D printing is an awesome thing.[/QUOTE] That's like saying that patenting DRM on music blocks free music. You can still download the free blueprints of whatever you want, but corporations who release blueprints of things can/will still include DRM in them (Just now they have to pay this guy for it) I have no idea why people think this is a good thing, it's just a patent troll patenting something generic.
[QUOTE=Nipa;38018205][url]http://www.reprap.org/wiki/RepRap[/url] [url]https://shop.ultimaker.com/en/ultimaker-kit-new.html[/url] (over $1,000, but still notable) The MakerBot is expensive at $2,200. The DIY community has been creating 3D printers for less than $1,000 for years.[/QUOTE] Have been considering the Ultimaker myself. But I'm not very confident with 'DIY Kits'.
[QUOTE=adam1172;38018813]Have been considering the Ultimaker myself. But I'm not very confident with 'DIY Kits'.[/QUOTE] I'm flying in a DIY helicopter as we speak and I'm completely fi
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;38018289]You can still download the free blueprints of whatever you want, but corporations who release blueprints of things can/will still include DRM in them (Just now they have to pay this guy for it)[/QUOTE] Well, good that free blueprints will still be legal, but if companies that put DRM on their Blueprints do end up using more resources due to having to pay Myhrvold, it will either mean some companies not bothering with DRM, or other companies boosting the selling prices of their blueprints to make up the loss due to royalties. On a lighter note, I wonder how long it'll take before 3D printers become as common a household appliance as TVs or fridges? If all you needed were a fabricator, the blueprint and the requisite mats, you probably wouldn't have to go out and buy stuff like pottery and cutlery, at least with current fabricator tech. In the coming decades, i'm certain that we can expect fabricators with far greater precision and the ability to use different kinds of materials, like being able to print synthetic wood (I think there's already a variety made from sawdust and glue) or using various solutions of minerals and/or ceramics.
So I won't get sued for printing loads of dragon dildos? A dreame come true!
He is the hero that Gotham deserves [editline]13th October 2012[/editline] PatMan Page king (patent man)
Patent the wheel before apple takes it away.
3D printing needs to go extremely far I hope we can make printable keyboards.
Fuck, i can't pirate legos then!
[QUOTE=Nipa;38018205][url]http://www.reprap.org/wiki/RepRap[/url] [url]https://shop.ultimaker.com/en/ultimaker-kit-new.html[/url] (over $1,000, but still notable) The MakerBot is expensive at $2,200. The DIY community has been creating 3D printers for less than $1,000 for years.[/QUOTE] I'm already aware of the rep rap. I was asking about the [QUOTE][B]more accurate, faster[/B][/QUOTE] part of your statement.
[QUOTE=Nipa;38018205][url]http://www.reprap.org/wiki/RepRap[/url] [url]https://shop.ultimaker.com/en/ultimaker-kit-new.html[/url] (over $1,000, but still notable) The MakerBot is expensive at $2,200. The DIY community has been creating 3D printers for less than $1,000 for years.[/QUOTE] Any pics of stuff you've printed? Been thinking about getting one of these, or a small laser cutter, but it depends on the print quality.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38022370]3D printing needs to go extremely far I hope we can make printable keyboards.[/QUOTE] Doesn't seem that far off. I mean, you'd probably still have to buy the circuitry and the under-key mechanisms, but the chassis and the keys would probably be easy for a good 3D printer.
[QUOTE=ironman17;38019540]Well, good that free blueprints will still be legal, but if companies that put DRM on their Blueprints do end up using more resources due to having to pay Myhrvold, it will either mean some companies not bothering with DRM, or other companies boosting the selling prices of their blueprints to make up the loss due to royalties. ...[/QUOTE] You might see a few small companies avoid DRM, but most other companies that want to use it would just license the patent (Among the many others they'd be licensing)
[QUOTE=Captain_Crazy;38024095]Doesn't seem that far off. I mean, you'd probably still have to buy the circuitry and the under-key mechanisms, but the chassis and the keys would probably be easy for a good 3D printer.[/QUOTE] well, if I can just get the plastic itself at least I could replace keys and shit :v: that plus, if I have no scrap KB's and need one if I ever do a satirical rage lets play...
So, how are you going to put DRM into an object a MakerBot can spit out? It explodes if the file used to print it was pirated?
[QUOTE=paindoc;38015660]Pshh, $2200? Im building one that is more accurate, faster, and cheaper. Going to cost me $800 all said and done WITH Dual Extrusion. Besides, the whole 3D printing community is pissed as hell at Makerbot Industries ATM. They took open source innovations, and made a company out of it. This was fine at first, because they kept all their original 3D printers open source as well. However, they made the Replicator 2 FULLY closed source and used many open source inventions in the product.[/QUOTE] Can you give any exact specifications and further documentation of the particular piece you are building? I know about reprap but I don't know about anything that could chellange, let alone beat, Relicator 2s specs. [editline]14th October 2012[/editline] Apparently Ultimaker has theoretical resolution of 12,5 microns which sounds just amazing, but that's $1200 and not $800.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38030037]Can you give any exact specifications and further documentation of the particular piece you are building? I know about reprap but I don't know about anything that could chellange, let alone beat, Relicator 2s specs. [editline]14th October 2012[/editline] Apparently Ultimaker has theoretical resolution of 12,5 microns which sounds just amazing, but that's $1200 and not $800.[/QUOTE] Thats 1200 Euros, not US dollars. That means the base price is ~$1540 [I]for a kit[/I]. A kit you're gonna have to spend hours assembling and troubleshooting. $2200 for an assembled, calibrated, and tested 3D printer that works out of the box sounds like a much better deal to me!
I'm pretty sure that this will, in the process, stifle 3D printer development for commercial purposes. He isn't a good guy, he didn't say "Oh, fight for freedom!" and patent it, he did it because it was a good business decision in his eyes. He's a patent troll, we don't like those.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;38044201]Thats 1200 Euros, not US dollars. That means the base price is ~$1540 [I]for a kit[/I]. A kit you're gonna have to spend hours assembling and troubleshooting. $2200 for an assembled, calibrated, and tested 3D printer that works out of the box sounds like a much better deal to me![/QUOTE] Oh, my bad... Although I would be willing to risk a kit if it really came anywhere near the promised 12,5 microns resolution vs. the advertised 100 microns on Replicator 2. Plus this thing is always going to be upgradeable and fixable if you have the time and willpower, while Replicator you can throw out once it gets obsolete/breaks. I guess one would need something like reviews...
Patent troll? Patent [I]saint[/I]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38044999]Oh, my bad... Although I would be willing to risk a kit if it really came anywhere near the promised 12,5 microns resolution vs. the advertised 100 microns on Replicator 2. Plus this thing is always going to be upgradeable and fixable if you have the time and willpower, while Replicator you can throw out once it gets obsolete/breaks. I guess one would need something like reviews...[/QUOTE] The replicator 2 has a theoretical xy positional accuracy of 11 microns and a z-axis positional accuracy of 2.5 microns so it beats the Ultimaker on both price [I]and[/I] accuracy. It's worth pointing out that the theoretical accuracy specs aren't real-world values but the 100 microns is. You really are limited more by the material properties and the quality of the print head than you are by the positional accuracy of the stepper motors.
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