• AMD Throws in the Towel: No More CPUs (APUs and GPUs Only)
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[QUOTE=Zombii;43062836]Do you have [I]anything[/I] to back this up? I'm sorry, but I doubt that Intel is willing to fuck itself by abusing a monopoly when they're already under [I]extremely heavy[/I] fire from already existing anti-trust legislation and lawsuits against the practical monopoly they've had for the past fifty years.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure every time AMD have fucked up a new line of CPUs Intel jack their prices up a bit. It's not much proof they'll do it this time, but it's not a great indicator. Besides, the market won't be a monopoly if AMD get their APUs up to scratch. They're a pretty nice idea, they just haven't worked perfectly so far.
[QUOTE=Zombii;43062816]I doubt it, technically they still have competition in desktop processors in VIA (and mobile processors in Samsung, Qualcomm, etc.), although I don't know if the antitrust regulations here in the United States refer to something like "reasonable" competition, or just flat competition. In addition, Intel has already had a [I]practical[/I] monopoly on the desktop processor market for quite a while. I sincerely doubt that the end-user will see any effects from this besides having to change from AMD to Intel if they wish to continue upgrading when AMD reaches the end of its roadmap.[/QUOTE] I thought I remember a decade back, Microsoft stopped Apple from going into bankruptcy because they did not want to be split up due to monopoly laws. AMD has had enough success to keep Intel from having too much of a monopoly, but in this case, AMD is not in bankruptcy. They're just pulling out of the market, so Intel can't do anything except hope that they won't be split though law.
[QUOTE=Novangel;43062863]Prices aren't the only problem now, Intel has less reason to keep making better desktop chipsets now.[/QUOTE] I don't really think they would stop though. There's likely a lot of pressure from the public to continue to work on better chipsets.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;43062779]Intel are better anyway..[/QUOTE] to be fair, this could jack intels prices, which is terrible, even if intel is superior. But I doubt this will happen, and even if it did, doubt the prices would change that badly.
[QUOTE=Novangel;43062863]Prices aren't the only problem now, Intel has less reason to keep making better desktop chipsets now.[/QUOTE] Well it isn't like AMD really gave them a run for their money either.
[QUOTE=code_gs;43062880]I thought I remember a decade back, Microsoft stopped Apple from going into bankruptcy because they did not want to be split up due to monopoly laws. AMD has had enough success to keep Intel from having too much of a monopoly, but in this case, AMD is not in bankruptcy. They're just pulling out of the market, so Intel can't do anything except hope that they won't be split though law.[/QUOTE] AMD aren't evaporating, they'll still be competitive against Intel in similar spaces. I have a HD4000 GPU in my desktop that goes used since I have a discrete GPU. [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Novangel;43062863]Prices aren't the only problem now, Intel has less reason to keep making better desktop chipsets now.[/QUOTE] Actually they have to keep on the defensive against ARM, which could easily make a dent in them if they're not careful.
[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;43062871]Sweet time for PowerPC to make a comeback! [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] ...guys? Hello?[/QUOTE] Actually, it really sucked until POWER 4. POWER7 is actually amazingly fast. [img]http://cheerhpc.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/p_2048_1536_5b4d0a30-3132-405d-ad38-739e917dff71.jpeg[/img]
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;43062805]Yeah, I don't know if you guys know this, but monopolies and monopolistic competition are more common that one might think. Plus we have ultra tight regulations so they can't jack the prices for fear of the government stepping in.[/QUOTE] Still, there's going to be less incentive for Intel to improve their products without any direct competition. Even if the prices don't skyrocket, the evolution of processors is going to slow down.
[QUOTE=danharibo;43062901]AMD aren't evaporating, they'll still be competitive against Intel in similar spaces. I have a HD4000 GPU in my desktop that goes used since I have a discrete GPU. [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] Actually they have to keep on the defensive against ARM, which could easily make a dent in them if they're not careful.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I'm not too informed of competing CPU manufacturers.
[QUOTE=be;43062889]Well it isn't like AMD really gave them a run for their money either.[/QUOTE] the latest batch of CPUs have actually been pretty solid
[QUOTE=Karmah;43062725]Great, now Intel will have a monopoly[/QUOTE] Monopolies are never permanent. Another competitor will come along if investors see it as worth their time. But then again, I'm a satisfied Intel user as my experience with AMD has been quite lackluster.
[QUOTE=danharibo;43062901]Actually they have to keep on the defensive against ARM, which could easily make a dent in them if they're not careful.[/QUOTE] Intels position on the mobile and low power market is still a bit eh. It keeps them busy I guess, but I can't see it causing much of a problem for desktop and server computing.
I just started building my first gaming PC, and it has an AMD socket.....fuck :(
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;43062986]I just started building my first gaming PC, and it has an AMD socket.....fuck :([/QUOTE] Same with the rig I'm posting on.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;43062789]I had a laptop with one of those APUs in it, but it was garbage. It was like 1.8ghz or somehting, couldn't even run tinychat and youtube at the same time. I suppose that's to be expected of any new technology, and maybe I just had a really cheap one.[/QUOTE] i bought a laptop two or so years ago with an APU with like 1.6ghz and it honestly performed better than I expected I still use it today and I've never run into any problems where it couldn't do simple tasks like what you're describing
[QUOTE=ahmedsalaam69;43062949]Monopolies are never permanent. Another competitor will come along if investors see it as worth their time. But then again, I'm a satisfied Intel user as my experience with AMD has been quite lackluster.[/QUOTE] Intel and AMD are the last CPU producers for desktops. IBM left in the 80's, NexGen was absorbed by AMD, Cyrix went out of business in the 90's.
The price increase are what scare me, I can see Intel just flogging a rebranded 4770K as 5770K with 0.1% better performance and putting $200 on it for no reason. I hope this doesn't mean the beginning of different CPU architectures becoming more popular, I'd rather not have an X64 vs ARM vs Power PC thing similar to the 1980s with more and more incompatibilities.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;43063054]The price increase are what scare me, I can see Intel just flogging a rebranded 4770K as 5770K with 0.1% better performance and putting $200 on it for no reason. I hope this doesn't mean the beginning of different CPU architectures becoming more popular, I'd rather not have an X64 vs ARM vs Power PC thing similar to the 1980s with more and more incompatibilities.[/QUOTE] Intel have to stay competitive with ARM on mobile, and they already have a roadmap. I don't think they'll deviate far from it in the short term.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;43063013]i bought a laptop two or so years ago with an APU with like 1.6ghz and it honestly performed better than I expected I still use it today and I've never run into any problems where it couldn't do simple tasks like what you're describing[/QUOTE] I pawned it to pay rent a few weeks after I got it, and then lost it to the pawn shop. If it weren't for that I'd get the model number and see if maybe I just had a virus or something, but it was painfully slow.
I've really fallen in love with AMD. Never had a problem related to their product. I had 2 problems with XFX custom coolers failing. I've been impressed by what they can do being the underdog and have to see this is saddening news but on the bright side their new website design is really lovely alot more user friendly/responsive.
[QUOTE=danharibo;43063058]Intel have to stay competitive with ARM on mobile, and they already have a roadmap. I don't think they'll deviate far from it in the short term.[/QUOTE]I've seen a road map that say we should have 10 GHz CPUs by now and other which say we should CPUs with more than 6-cores.
forcing people INTO BUYING CONSOLES
I feel bad now, I have been using AMD CPUs in all my computers, except on this one. Now I can't look at my Intel Core i5 without feeling guilty.
My computer has always been red, and only recently have I decided to get an Intel CPU with AMD GPUs. Through out my time of owning AMD CPUs, I would have to say the best CPU line they have had were the Thubans. Amazing little overclockers.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;43063081]I've seen a road map that say we should have 10 GHz CPUs by now and other which say we should CPUs with more than 6-cores.[/QUOTE] A lot of CPUs have more than 6 core.
I'm really scared of the future now. Intel could decide that shitty technology with good marketing is the future. We'd be stuck with CPUs soldered to the board, god I hope they don't decide everything has to be an ultra book or other under powered pieces of shit and we end up only clones of the painted garbage apple produces and markets to bone head consumers.
I swear I've seen this thread before... Like, a year ago...
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;43063149]A lot of CPUs have more than 6 core.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but they're Xeons which are more expensive. I know I have 2 of them, couldn't eat any take away food for 5 weeks.
Are you kidding me, they just made Mantle for their GPUs so I was going to go with it for Star Citizen, but nope, AMD just when fucking stupid as fuck.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;43062779]Intel are better anyway..[/QUOTE] Remember the pentium 4 era? Power hungary and hot cpus that only marginally improved the performance. Then AMD came out with their athlon cpus and curb stomped them. [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;43063178]Are you kidding me, they just made Mantle for their GPUs so I was going to go with it for Star Citizen, but nope, AMD just when fucking stupid as fuck.[/QUOTE] mantle isn't hardware dependent. Plus, they're years behind intel now.
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