• German Pirate Party gets 8.5% in Berlin elections - Enters State Parliment
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[QUOTE=Killuah;32359998]while i like their ideals it's still not a good idea to vote for them, they have absolutely no competence when it comes to social problems, job creation and no induatry contacts at all. their votes are protest voters and young people who have no ideas about the problems i mentioned[/QUOTE] That's what the other parties will do, but they can influence some decisions where they do have competence.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32360007]The word "commie" isn't necessarily pejorative, it can be colloquial too.[/QUOTE] Sounds fairly derogatory when used in the context of "who the fuck votes for those lefties?".
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32360158]Sounds fairly derogatory when used in the context of "who the fuck votes for those lefties?".[/QUOTE] doesn't look that way to me. perhaps it's a cultural difference that makes us see it in different ways, since the word has different connotations on different sides of the atlantic.
While I support The Pirate Party's views, I wouldn't vote for them as they are a kind of "single-issue" party, and I would feel my vote would be wasted on a single issue.
[QUOTE=Robber;32360058]That's what the other parties will do, but they can influence some decisions where they do have competence.[/QUOTE] True. I justwant to say that thos is to bevaluated as a sign, not as an option.
[QUOTE=Killuah;32359998]while i like their ideals it's still not a good idea to vote for them, they have absolutely no competence when it comes to social problems, job creation and no induatry contacts at all. their votes are protest voters and young people who have no ideas about the problems i mentioned[/QUOTE] In Sweden, the Pirate Party stated that they will rely on other parties in the coalition government in issues outside of their expertise. I'm betting all Pirate Parties do this. This is the neat strategy of micro-parties; the few seats of the Pirate Party members will be very valuable in the parliament because the bigger parties will be vying for their support, enabling the PP to practically "trade" their votes in exchange for power in issues they find more important.
[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32360892]While I support The Pirate Party's views, I wouldn't vote for them as they are a kind of "single-issue" party, and I would feel my vote would be wasted on a single issue.[/QUOTE] While they aren't exactly a single issue party (their issues are pretty focused though) I think you are right. I get the feeling that they would be better in some sort of partnership / coalition if they ever did get anywhere near power. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Im Crimson;32362237]In Sweden, the Pirate Party stated that they will rely on other parties in the coalition government in issues outside of their expertise. I'm betting all Pirate Parties do this. This is the neat strategy of micro-parties; the few seats of the Pirate Party members will be very valuable in the parliament because the bigger parties will be vying for their support, enabling the PP to practically "trade" their votes in exchange for power in issues they find more important.[/QUOTE] Maybe I have completely the wrong idea, but this is how politics should work IMO. It allows people to vote for parties that support issues that are important to them without a country ending up being run by the monster raving loony party (I assume other countries have something similar to this, if they don't god help us in the UK) or something.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32360158]Sounds fairly derogatory when used in the context of "who the fuck votes for those lefties?".[/QUOTE] Well as far as I know they are a party with essentially communist roots. Essentially the remains of the old party just renamed. So yeah, I think the name fits. Not talking about red scare type commies but the fairly normal ones which are present in quite a few euro parliaments.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;32366803]Well as far as I know they are a party with essentially communist roots. Essentially the remains of the old party just renamed. So yeah, I think the name fits. Not talking about red scare type commies but the fairly normal ones which are present in quite a few euro parliaments.[/QUOTE] So you aren't using the term in a derogatory manner?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32366905]So you aren't using the term in a derogatory manner?[/QUOTE] Someone said 'commie' on an internet forum OHGOD BUST OUT THE POLITICALLY CORRECT POLICE.
[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32360892]While I support The Pirate Party's views, I wouldn't vote for them as they are a kind of "single-issue" party, and I would feel my vote would be wasted on a single issue.[/QUOTE] That's kind of the problem with the Swedish Pirate Party from what I understand. After they got popular, Miljöpartiet adopted all of their positions, and since the Pirate Party usually votes with them on issues not related to copyright, It's just two parties that do the same thing and take votes from each other.
[QUOTE=jeimizu;32367560]That's kind of the problem with the Swedish Pirate Party from what I understand. After they got popular, Miljöpartiet adopted all of their positions, and since the Pirate Party usually votes with them on issues not related to copyright, It's just two parties that do the same thing and take votes from each other.[/QUOTE] Except their priorities are different. If Miljöpartiet (The greens) got to choose between a ban of nuclear power or a law that would forever secure the privacy of all citizens, they would go with the ban of nuclear power.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32357141]I wonder how charismatic and cunning the pirate party leader is?[/QUOTE] Maybe he looks like your avatar?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32366905]So you aren't using the term in a derogatory manner?[/QUOTE] Introducing Megafanx13, Mr. Anal.
[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32360892]While I support The Pirate Party's views, I wouldn't vote for them as they are a kind of "single-issue" party, and I would feel my vote would be wasted on a single issue.[/QUOTE] Single issue parties are fantastic in parliamentary systems
Merkel has got no chance.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32370073]Single issue parties are fantastic in parliamentary systems[/QUOTE] Mainly because if voted in at least they do something.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32366905]So you aren't using the term in a derogatory manner?[/QUOTE] I'm using the term for shorthand for communist and communist derived parties. Attach to it any pejorative connotations you may want. While I don't attach these directly to the party, I attach them to their political programs as there's still a fairly big "shadow" of communism in my nation. So in that sense, you have to separate both avenues of the term. The lefts are a commie party and that is a multifaceted statement. Try to not get your panties in a bunch about it. [QUOTE=Zeke129;32370073]Single issue parties are fantastic in parliamentary systems[/QUOTE] Not terribly so, since most systems want at least some stability. Which is why you tend to usually have 2 larger parties which then require a bunch of smaller ones to get an advantage over the other. Single issue parties tend to have certain problems with actually following multiparty agreements once their agenda has been pushed across and you as a voter don't know that well on which side of the political spectrum they'll stand. So while having one larger thematic is fine (christian democrats, the greens, others) it's always decent to make a broader statement on to where you'll be in possible elections.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32370073]Single issue parties are fantastic in parliamentary systems[/QUOTE] We have an animal party, dumbest shit ever :downs:
Unfortunately Pirate Parties in Canada and the United States face a systematic disadvantage. Westminster democracies are designed against micro parties because they operate on ridings (electoral districts), it's nearly impossible for them to gain a plurality of votes in any 1 riding. That being said, I voted Pirate in my riding in Canada during the last federal election anyways! I was 1 of about 135 people who did so. The guy who won got over 30,000. It's a long way to the top if you want to rock n' roll.
I vote the APPD :D look at their slogans, its hilarious. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany[/url]
[QUOTE=wraithcat;32375158]I'm using the term for shorthand for communist and communist derived parties. Attach to it any pejorative connotations you may want. While I don't attach these directly to the party, I attach them to their political programs as there's still a fairly big "shadow" of communism in my nation. So in that sense, you have to separate both avenues of the term. The lefts are a commie party and that is a multifaceted statement. Try to not get your panties in a bunch about it. [/QUOTE] No need to be insecure about communism. Socialism isn't necessarily a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Niklas;32376408]I vote the APPD :D look at their slogans, its hilarious. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany[/url][/QUOTE] You should look at the beer party of Berlin :) [QUOTE=Falchion;32377012]No need to be insecure about communism. Socialism isn't necessarily a bad thing.[/QUOTE] I am center right but have nothing against socialist policies and support a large number of them. Keep in mind that being center right in Europe is probably more akin to being center left in the US. Then you have a further division between euro conservatives and progressives but that's for another day. The issue is, the tenents from communist derived parties are strongly against my view of a functioning large scale society and I have plenty of examples. Including a prime on in an extremely functional high, medium tech post war industry which was brutalised into heavy industry. Further the long term erosion of personal rights and a number of other issues. One might argue that both are socialists, in the same sense nazis were socialists as well, but both have vastly different scales and a maximum level of enacted policies.
[QUOTE=Niklas;32376408]I vote the APPD :D look at their slogans, its hilarious. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany[/url][/QUOTE] I think the monster raving loony party is better [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party[/url] Just look at their goals "Refusing to sign up to the euro, but inviting the rest of Europe to join the pound (£)" "The introduction of a 99p coin to "save on change"" This article is awesome: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_frivolous_political_parties[/url] there's a scary number of parties from the UK though.
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