Large Hadron Collider could be world’s first time machine
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I didn't give this thread too much credibility when I first saw it, but after reading it it seems to be more credible.
I think that I'll take a look at the responses from other physicists before I believe this entirely, then I'll start taking a more serious look at it.
It still seems pretty incredible, though.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28636034]Sending messages to the past is still a violation of causality so I don't see how this avoids paradoxes at all.[/QUOTE]
if you want a brain melting paradox, imagine that 10 years from now they are able to send messages back in time and send the LHC team in the present a message on how to send messages through time.
:psyduck:
So, if we end up making these "Higgs singlets", and rig up detectors, we could in theory build an Oracle machine or sorts, capable of intercepting singlet messages from other times.
If this is true, then to make the most of this tech we'd need to start up an Oracle Foundation of sorts, dedicated to intercepting future messages and sending them back through time. But we'd need to know whether or not the singlets are from our universe or a different one. Who knows, maybe in other universes there are countless other Oracle Foundations, each sending out their messages...
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28636034]Sending messages to the past is still a violation of causality so I don't see how this avoids paradoxes at all.[/QUOTE]
This. How the hell does that avoid paradoxes? The message itself might not be a paradox but it could easily cause one.
Thats a lot of round and spinning things in the colorful picture.
'Type 13 planets typically destroy themselves due to their entire planet being shrunk to the size of a pea, caused by scientists trying to figure out the mass of the higgs boson."
And now time travel!
:ohdear:
If the Partacle appears before it is created, what happens if we stop the reaction before it happens?
Does it disappear?
That alone is a paradox isn't it?
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;28636079]if time travel ever happened we'd already have seen signs of it (like time traveller dudes walking around 1900 or some shit) so i doubt it[/QUOTE]
Maybe we'd have a dude inventing shit centuries before everyone else.
Maybe we'd have some guy from the future dividing the waters of the sea making everyone think of divine intervention
Maybe we'd sometimes think we heard voices that aren't there/see things that aren't there but they actually where there, as it was a case of "sending messages" the article is talking about
If someone had come from the future, we wouldn't know. I imagine he'd be smart enough not to go around and tell everyone.
Though if we go by the theory that there is a timeline for every different action (as each time something happens there are infinitely many ways it can go), then there has to be infinitely many that have a time machine that is/has sent people back to our time from the future.
But wouldn't that just end up creating a timeline parallel to ours, exactly identical in every detail except that someone came from the future?
Even if we can't use this message attachment idea for time travel, could we perhaps use it to send messages to other planets in the Universe instantly? An Intergalactic text message if you will?
So I'm confused, would it be possible for the particles to arrive without them ever having performed the experiment? And isn't that a bit paradoxical itself? The thing about time-paradoxes is that people only think of it in terms of killing your grandpa or something that ultimately affects human life, but the humanization of life isn't the universal glue that holds things together.
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;28636079]if time travel ever happened we'd already have seen signs of it (like time traveller dudes walking around 1900 or some shit) so i doubt it[/QUOTE]
Obviously they have a program in the future where super-soldiers go back in time and stop us from realizing that the time-travelers were actually there.
Kinda like Time-Squad. God I loved that show.
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;28636079]if time travel ever happened we'd already have seen signs of it (like time traveller dudes walking around 1900 or some shit) so i doubt it[/QUOTE]
You have got too look at it like this, if you had developed a form of sophisticated communication where you could talk to your past self but the only way to talk to yourself in this way is by knowing the language yourself. For example how can you talk to someone who doesn't know Morse code yet?. Well you can't and that's probably what we are going to discover with the higg's sniglet / higgs boson. We may open up a form of communication with the future or past. But even if we did we would only be able to communicate with the people who know that type of communication.
It's going to create our universe.
NEWSFLASH: LHC Guys received message from the future! :downs:
[QUOTE=DrogenViech;28637216]NEWSFLASH: LHC Guys received message from the future! :downs:[/QUOTE]
From a certain J.Connor
Only a higs-singlet is going back in time.
i fucking hope so i hate living in this generation
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28636034]Sending messages to the past is still a violation of causality so I don't see how this avoids paradoxes at all.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we've been getting these messages all along but have been ignoring them.
And the future scientists are only now using me to try to tell us to smarten up.
What's that? Rob a bank for science? Absolutely!
Theoretical science annoys me sometimes. Whenever I see shit like this, where they'd theoretically be able to send shit through time, or travel through huge spans of space effectively, it seems like all they show us is some graph they cooked up in five minutes.
I'd like to see some of the actual math behind these theories, if there even is any.
But then again, they could just scribble all over a piece of paper, and it'd make as much sense to me as a complex mathematical equation regarding how space and time works.
I read a thread yesterday and some know-it-all twat claimed that no matter how you do it, time travel is impossible.
Who's :smug: now, asshole?
[QUOTE=108payne;28637928]I read a thread yesterday and some know-it-all twat claimed that no matter how you do it, time travel is impossible.
Who's :smug: now, asshole?[/QUOTE]
"Large Hadron Collider [B]could[/B] be world’s first time machine"
Doesn't mean it IS the first time machine, you know. Never happened yet. Also, how do you know that it's not a lie? and how would you know when articles about time travel actually happening are 100% real?
Keep moving.
[QUOTE=108payne;28637928]I read a thread yesterday and some know-it-all twat claimed that no matter how you do it, time travel is impossible.
Who's :smug: now, asshole?[/QUOTE]
You can just read the title and realize that they haven't proven a damn thing yet.
:frog:
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Where we're going... we don't NEED colliders.
[QUOTE=Paramud;28637955]You can just read the title and realize that they haven't proven a damn thing yet.
:frog:
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Don't mess with me man I'll beat you to your points! I'm the white ninja!
When this baby his 88,000,000 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious Higgs.
[QUOTE=Murkat;28637984]Where we're going... we don't NEED colliders.[/QUOTE]
Fuck you and your event horizon! :argh:
This is mind boggling.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28636034]Sending messages to the past is still a violation of causality so I don't see how this avoids paradoxes at all.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, that's where I stopped reading and just dismissed it as another fake story.
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