• Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43995909]You sound like you know your stuff about the camps. I am curious though, on the previous page someone stated that SS weren't the only "soldiers" posted as guards, is that true?[/QUOTE] I do a lot of reading. As far as I know, the SS didn't employ another other groups/organisations to guard the camps. Work groups were allowed outside the camp with proper escort during the early history of Auschwitz. I do know that the Nazi puppet states employed their own soldiers in the process transporting the Jews though (I don't know if there's been a mix up there).
[QUOTE=Bazsil;43993042]i miss thisispain[/QUOTE] so many people are trying to fill in the void that he's left behind. He should make a thread in Refugee Camp for who he chooses to be his successor.
some of these folks are right-on bonkers
[QUOTE=opti2000;43993185]Good work draugur. Dont get me wrong but you sound like a nazi sympathizer. You are downplaying the things too much. So you are basicly saying that the people who served in nazi germany were the innocent? Nonsense, they knew what they are doing in the concentration camps (killing people or helping to kill them). And you think that's excusable after some years passes by? You can think what you want but it is not revenge fulfilling fantasies nor am i a "nazi hunter" or moron as you state. I just can say deal with this.[/QUOTE] Nazi sympathizer? You're worse than the people that spout "ANTI-SEMITE! YOU JEW HATING FUCK!" when anyone says they disagree with Israel's expansionist actions.
[QUOTE=draugur;43996971]Nazi sympathizer? You're worse than the people that spout "ANTI-SEMITE! YOU JEW HATING FUCK!" when anyone says they disagree with Israel's expansionist actions.[/QUOTE] Best leave that can of worms sealed. He said something silly just leave him be.
Wait, what conflict is it going to solve to arrest these people? It's been 70 years since any of this went on; the overwhelming majority of the people affected by the holocaust in any way, whether they were victims or perpetrators, are dead or dying. Where's the justice in pursuing crimes that these people may or may not have committed in a war that has been over for generations and has had its resulting conflicts solved for generations? If anything, we should be hunting down former Nazis not to stick them in prison, but to get their personal accounts of what went on in the most important war of modern history. Within our lifetimes, the people who took part in the war are going to die, and they are going to take their recollections and perspectives with them, just like the final World War I veterans who died in the last decade. The former Nazis are pieces of history, and what they have to say could be really helpful to understanding it, but people like Melnek would honestly rather lock them up so they can die of the extreme stress of going through trial? That's a twisted way of doing justice if you ask me.
Guys no more nazi anything! Let's forget that ever happened here! No violence in the media! oh but ARREST THOSE NAZIS HOLY SHIT
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XzRaEAer4[/media] So should we find all the old people in Japan who are known "accessories of murder" aswell? Because if you really think jailing someone 70 years after a event is justice, then we ought to get them aswell. Or maybe just let the old guys just die cause they can't even hurt anyone nowadays besides taxing us for imprisoning them. [editline]21st February 2014[/editline] I wonder what Nazi Hunters will do when their occupation become irrelevant on a side note.
[QUOTE=B E A R;43989804]For god's sake, let them live the rest of their lives in peace. It's as if there aren't any other places where they could have used the resources. Like, say, catching REAL criminals.[/QUOTE] Try telling Holocaust survivors that the men who gassed their families and friends aren't REAL criminals, and see how well that goes over.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43999229]Try telling Holocaust survivors that the men who gassed their families and friends aren't REAL criminals, and see how well that goes over.[/QUOTE] There's no evidence that these men did this you kneejerking retard
[QUOTE=slayer64;43999229]Try telling Holocaust survivors that the men who gassed their families and friends aren't REAL criminals, and see how well that goes over.[/QUOTE] It's like you didn't even read the damn title of this thread
It is way too late to punish any of these criminals. It is likely that they have already forgotten what they did, and are already physically and mentally suffering from old age. On top of that, they are not the same people as they were almost 80 years ago. I look back at myself 3 years ago and say "damn, I was fucking retarded", so I can't even begin to imagine what these people are thinking (if they are thinking at all). It is also a huge waste of time and money to put these people in prison or punish them in any way. Also, the entire point of punishment is to ensure that an individual does not commit the crimes again, not to revenge. They did bad things and they managed to cheat the system and get away. It's understandable that this situation is unjust and unfair, but nothing more can be done to make it otherwise. People should just learn from mistakes, put it all behind them and move on.
[QUOTE=The golden;43989801]Is this justice or is this just fucking childish revenge?[/QUOTE] I think it's them trying to send a message, that the world will be unforgiving on war criminals. There's no actual point in prosecuting crimes that old, the only reason they could possibly use is to send that message.
[QUOTE=TestECull;44000619]I think it's them trying to send a message, that the world will be unforgiving on war criminals. There's no actual point in prosecuting crimes that old, the only reason they could possibly use is to send that message.[/QUOTE] I doubt that this will keep anyone from committing war crimes. The whole deterrent thing is mostly bullshit. Punishment makes people avoid punishment, not crime. It may amount to the same here and there, but do you really think people will shrink back from atrocities in a war, or under a government that condones them, because they may go to prison in case things change one day? [editline]22nd February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=daschnek;43998444]Wait, what conflict is it going to solve to arrest these people? It's been 70 years since any of this went on; the overwhelming majority of the people affected by the holocaust in any way, whether they were victims or perpetrators, are dead or dying. Where's the justice in pursuing crimes that these people may or may not have committed in a war that has been over for generations and has had its resulting conflicts solved for generations? If anything, we should be hunting down former Nazis not to stick them in prison, but to get their personal accounts of what went on in the most important war of modern history. Within our lifetimes, the people who took part in the war are going to die, and they are going to take their recollections and perspectives with them, just like the final World War I veterans who died in the last decade. The former Nazis are pieces of history, and what they have to say could be really helpful to understanding it, but people like Melnek would honestly rather lock them up so they can die of the extreme stress of going through trial? That's a twisted way of doing justice if you ask me.[/QUOTE] This man brings up what to me is the most important point in this whole discussion. We have a number of eyewitness accounts by people who survived the concentration camps, but has any one of the perpetrators ever written a book on how he perceived the situation back then, how he came to act the way he did, and how he sees it in retrospect? To know what went on in the bad guys' heads would be immensely important if we ever wanted to understand how the holocaust could have happened. Instead there's lots of pointing blame and claiming that we would have acted differently, and everything's different today anyway and it could never happen again because we know better and blah blah. I say look at how accusations of terrorism are starting to be used to strip people of their civil rights, and just take a walk outside and ask a few people what they think of muslims.
[QUOTE=Don Merino;44008306]I doubt that this will keep anyone from committing war crimes. The whole deterrent thing is mostly bullshit. Punishment makes people avoid punishment, not crime. It may amount to the same here and there, but do you really think people will shrink back from atrocities in a war, or under a government that condones them, because they may go to prison in case things change one day? [editline]22nd February 2014[/editline] This man brings up what to me is the most important point in this whole discussion. We have a number of eyewitness accounts by people who survived the concentration camps, but has any one of the perpetrators ever written a book on how he perceived the situation back then, how he came to act the way he did, and how he sees it in retrospect? To know what went on in the bad guys' heads would be immensely important if we ever wanted to understand how the holocaust could have happened. Instead there's lots of pointing blame and claiming that we would have acted differently, and everything's different today anyway and it could never happen again because we know better and blah blah. I say look at how accusations of terrorism are starting to be used to strip people of their civil rights, and just take a walk outside and ask a few people what they think of muslims.[/QUOTE] It's hardly surprising that none of the perpetrators have written about their experiences, when one considers the vast stigma that would immediately be put onto them. Even ignoring the fact that these men have been arrested, there's those fucking stupid vigilante "Nazi Hunters" that'd inevitably do something retarded,
[QUOTE=Don Merino;44008306] This man brings up what to me is the most important point in this whole discussion. We have a number of eyewitness accounts by people who survived the concentration camps, but has any one of the perpetrators ever written a book on how he perceived the situation back then, how he came to act the way he did, and how he sees it in retrospect? To know what went on in the bad guys' heads would be immensely important if we ever wanted to understand how the holocaust could have happened. [/QUOTE] There is that one połish book called "Rozmowy z katem" ("Chating with executioner") that was written by some guy who was kept in one cell for a year with a nazi murderer. Basically the closest thing to what you described.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;44009011]There is that one połish book called "Rozmowy z katem" ("Chating with executioner") that was written by some guy who was kept in one cell for a year with a nazi murderer. Basically the closest thing to what you described.[/QUOTE] That's the book about Jürgen Stroop isn't it?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43991527]look if they were forced to do it, or didn't know what was going on, etc, they'll bring it up at their trial as it stands now they were guards at auschwitz and I think that's grounds for a trial[/QUOTE] nice backpedalling
Why arrest them? They are pretty much near their death bed anyway and I'm sure that they lived out the rest of their lives guilty as fuck after what happened, etc.
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