[QUOTE=Kyle902;43991569]You're trying to get people to agree with you by using Buzz words like "holocaust, raped thousands etc"
But the guard who did this is just some military grunt who was in the camp guard battalion that rarely had contact with the prisoners unless an escape or something happened.
You're saying its ok to arrest these people without hard evidence because they were associated with the holocaust.
Should we arrest the Jew's the nazi's used to control the camp blocks?
Should we arrest the foreign draftees who guarded the camps as well?[/QUOTE]
you're accusing me of being a sociopath and then you accuse me of using buzzwords straight after? holocaust isn't a buzzword. and its not like being arrested is such a big deal, you get arrested, they present evidence and you are convicted or set free
[editline]21st February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43991579]So if the holocaust was happening, you would sacrifice yourself and your family if you were a guard, and probably just cost the regime the bullets they used to gun you down?[/QUOTE]
i like to think i'd rather die than just stand aside doing nothing or actively joining in
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991586]you're accusing me of being a sociopath and then you accuse me of using buzzwords straight after? holocaust isn't a buzzword. and its not like being arrested is such a big deal, you get arrested, they present evidence and you are convicted or set free[/QUOTE]
You're the one who brought up the term sociopath.
You don't fucking arrest someone BEFORE you get the evidence to arrest them.
[editline]20th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991586]
i like to think i'd rather die than just stand aside doing nothing or actively joining in[/QUOTE]
Ok fine I'll use the correct term thats not sociopath.
Moron
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43991600]You're the one who brought up the term sociopath.
You don't fucking arrest someone BEFORE you get the evidence to arrest them.
[editline]20th February 2014[/editline]
Ok fine I'll use the correct term thats not sociopath.
Moron[/QUOTE]
no i didn't, you did. and uh, i'm fairly sure they do have enough evidence to arrest them, if they don't then sure i agree they shouldn't be arrested. and oh nice one dude, keep flaming me cool guy
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43990050]I didn't realize you could be drafted into the SS[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be suprised if some were, there were several divisions made up of those viewed as sub-human and un worthy,
13th SS Divison Handschar was made of Bosnian Muslims
21st SS Division Skanderbeg was made of Albanian Muslims
23rd SS Division Kama was made of Croatian Muslims and Christians
29th Division of the SS (Kaminsky Brigade) was made of Russians
Dirlewanger Brigade was made of military criminals
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43991607]I'd like to think you'd rather stand there doing nothing and live rather than die accomplishing nothing?
I feel like you're out of touch with this whole situation.[/QUOTE]
you think differently to me maybe?
i don't value my life so much more than anyone elses but i value my morals and ethics very highly
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43991649]See, you've got the gift of hindsight. You act big and brave right now, but thats because you're in no danger, and neither is your family. I guarantee if you were in the same position as these men back in the day, you'd keep your head down and keep your moth shut.[/QUOTE]
maybe you're right, i don't think you are, but if you are then like i said earlier, i would deserve whatever comes to me
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43991666]Yep, showing up on a ledger of guards is totally proof that you've commited war crimes. Case closed. We can all go home.[/QUOTE]
it's certainly evidence enough to warrant an arrest
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991644]you think differently to me maybe?[/QUOTE]
Tell me what exactly gets accomplished by going against the camps?
The German command will crush any evidence that you stood up against it so no martyring yourself.
You won't be able to do anything in the first place because you aren't camped close enough to the camps to be walking around without suspicion.
When you get caught Command will torture you and execute you and kill your family.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43991670]You sound like generic videogame hero: the dragon slayer.
C'mon man, add a little bit a reality to that. Just a dash, though! Don't add too much or it'll taste bitter.[/QUOTE]
i wonder if you think you're being witty here? 'im literally a coward, but it's not just me, YOU ARE TOO! i swear!'
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991658]i don't value my life so much more than anyone elses but i value my morals and ethics very highly[/QUOTE]
You can't help others and continue o be empathetic if you're dead.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43991677]Im sure that attitude would be out of you in a heart beat after a few executions of "heros".[/QUOTE]
maybe you're right, does that change anything? nope. and again i don't think you're right
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991680]i wonder if you think you're being witty here? 'im literally a coward, but it's not just me, YOU ARE TOO! i swear!'[/QUOTE]
No I'm not a coward.
I just wouldn't want my family die to accomplish fucking nothing.
sometimes the outcome is irrelevant but whatever. like whatever, maybe i would act differently maybe i wouldn't again, that doesn't change anything. it's not like i think i'm exempt from my own judgements
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991702]sometimes the outcome is irrelevant but whatever. like whatever, maybe i would act differently maybe i wouldn't again, that doesn't change anything. it's not like i think i'm exempt from my own judgements[/QUOTE]
You're views are so unrealistic and if they are truly your views then you have no situational awareness.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43991708]What[/QUOTE]
just because you'll (most likely) fail doesn't always matter
[editline]21st February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43991717]I'd say it does. It means that you live in a 1st world nation, in almost complete safety, to say "this is what i'd do if I was a guard at a concentration camp" is a moot point, because you'll never be in that position.[/QUOTE]
so i wonder if i can say the exact same thing to you?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991718]just because you'll (most likely) fail doesn't always matter
[editline]21st February 2014[/editline]
so i wonder if i can say the exact same thing to you?[/QUOTE]
Yes it does you dunce.
You accomplish nothing and get a whole lot of innocent people KILLED.
What the hell is wrong with you?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43991450]So if I work for a CEO that does illegal things, I should get in trouble because of what he does?.[/QUOTE]
Comparing a corporation to a fascist state is a bit much. Still, punishments really should be relegated to those who gave the orders.
With guards I'm not so sure since from what I understand the guards for these camps were specifically chosen.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43991729]Yes it does you dunce.
You accomplish nothing and get a whole lot of innocent people KILLED.
What the hell is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
accomplish nothing and get a whole lot of innocent people killed, or accomplish nothing and let a whole lot of innocent people be killed. decisions decisions.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991738]accomplish nothing and get a whole lot of innocent people killed, or accomplish nothing and let a whole lot of innocent people be killed. decisions decisions.[/QUOTE]
Yes but the second group of innocents dies regardless of what you do.
All you do is add to the death toll by trying something.
Is the concept of futility foreign to you?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43991733]Comparing a corporation to a fascist state is a bit much. Still, punishments really should be relegated to those who gave the orders.
With guards I'm not so sure since from what I understand the guards for these camps were specifically chosen.[/QUOTE]
but like, the thing is, people are people, it's not like just because you're not in command you suddenly lose all power of independent thought and action. and yeah, i thought the extermination camps were specifically staffed by all the most loyal (most fucked) cunts?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991757]but like, the thing is, people are people, it's not like just because you're not in command you suddenly lose all power of independent thought and action. and yeah, i thought the extermination camps were specifically staffed by all the most loyal (most fucked) cunts?[/QUOTE]
Yes the most loyal grunts!!!
Like conscripted foreigners.
The loyal grunts are out on the frontlines instead of being wasted as camp guards.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43991772]You could.. If I was being a dunce and saying "this is what i'd do if I was a guard", but you'll notice, im not putting myself into any fantasy situations.[/QUOTE]
yeah, you're putting ME into fantasy situations which means you have even less of an idea
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991784]yeah, you're putting ME into fantasy situations which means you have even less of an idea[/QUOTE]
No. You're the one painting yourself as a fearless hero here who makes the tough decision.
When in reality all you would be is a grunt stuck in a guard battalion situated relatively close to a camp and fearful for his family.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43991775]Yes the most loyal grunts!!!
Like conscripted foreigners.
The loyal grunts are out on the frontlines instead of being wasted as camp guards.[/QUOTE]
so were these guys in the external guard battalion or the internal guards?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43991803]No. You're the one painting yourself as a fearless hero here who makes the tough decision.
When in reality all you would be is a grunt stuck in a guard battalion situated relatively close to a camp and fearful for his family.[/QUOTE]
okay kyle902
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991817]okay kyle902[/QUOTE]
what an eloquent way to refute my statement.
It's almost as if you posted "I have nothing to post so I'll make a witty two word rebuttal".
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43991813]I'd say you've been putting yourself into this situation the whole time, by droning on about your morals and ethics, we get it, you're a hero in your own head, cool story, want a pat on the back? Or do you want to be a realist?[/QUOTE]
why do you keep ignoring the part where i say that maybe you're right and i would do as you said, but that if i did i would deserve anything that came to me as a result
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43991812]so were these guys in the external guard battalion or the internal guards?[/QUOTE]
Thats what I should be asking you so you can prove your accusations.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43991827]what an eloquent way to refute my statement.
It's almost as if you posted "I have nothing to post so I'll make a witty two word rebuttal".[/QUOTE]
there's nothing to rebut
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