• Apple planning to start manufacturing in the US
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I don't think so. They have a much stronger, more well-founded industry for mass-produced electronics.
They also have a massive population.
yeah scot you're completely right let's keep outsourcing everything because we feel bad for some kids losing their job in a fucking 24/7 factory, right? i mean pity for individuals is totally worth crippling a countries economy and forcing it into a horrifyingly massive debt, right scot?
...And then they introduced their new fully automated assembly line. 40% lighter than a crowd of average workers, 99% thinner than the average US citizen and all of that creating a single job for one guy who does maintenance because it'll never get a virus. :V Also that photo is poorly chosen, having a hankerchief in the pocket back then may have been innocent enough but from the placement and colour I can't help but see it as an "I like getting fisted" sign.
[QUOTE=Scot;38728542]They also have a massive population.[/QUOTE] As an American I would cut thousands of Chinese jobs if it gave thousands of jobs to Americans. In a choice between China and USA I will pick USA every time.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;38727215]designed in california manufactured in detroit[/QUOTE] I fucking hate it when they outsource to third-world places.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;38728680]yeah scot you're completely right let's keep outsourcing everything because we feel bad for some kids losing their job in a fucking 24/7 factory, right? i mean pity for individuals is totally worth crippling a countries economy and forcing it into a horrifyingly massive debt, right scot?[/QUOTE] You guys are missing the point I think. America had it's time in the factory lights, that's over now. We've moved on, towards an economy based upon R&D coupled with a large tertiary service sector. Companies intentionally producing things in the West is unnatural and won't happen. They will produce shit where it is cheapest, not where they can lose potential profit. This is a special case, a weird move Apple is making to buy some reputation, or to sneak in an extra $100 on an iMac which won't be noticed against the sudden $600 price increase. And even then, this isn't a good thing. As I said, America -- and the rest of the West in general -- had their manufacturing era. Of course, we still do manufacture stuff, but nowhere near compared to what we used to. This is natural. Manufacturing shit here improved our economies enough, such that now it's too expensive to manufacture stuff here. Instead, we give the job to countries in South America and the East. Once again, this is natural. These countries NEED it. We don't. They will follow the same path we did, until nanotechnology or some sci-fi futurologistic shit comes along and anybody can manufacture anything for cheap.
[QUOTE=DELL;38727241]Every company should do this regardless if it costs consumers more.[/QUOTE] People outside US do not agree.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38728005]about as often as people start to circlejerk against apple so seems like a yes[/QUOTE] Everyone in this thread except a few are congratulating apple on their decision.
It'll create jobs, but not necessarily manufacturing jobs. They're probably going to be assembled by machines/robots, and it costs just as much to do that in the US as it does in China, so they cut down on shipping costs by doing it in the US. It'll create high paying engineering jobs and technicians to maintain the robotics, but there is no way they're going to pay people to assemble parts by hand like they do in China.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;38728863]As an American I would cut thousands of Chinese jobs if it gave thousands of jobs to Americans. In a choice between China and USA I will pick USA every time.[/QUOTE] And I'm sure everyone in China would say the same for bringing more jobs there. No one wants their economy to suffer.
And all of it will be poorly made by unionized workers who do the bare minimum and demand more pay.
I've used a Mac that was made in the US. It was made in 1984, to give you an idea on how long its been since Apple's done something like this.
Finally bringing the jobs back to the US
[QUOTE=Zerohe;38729000]You guys are missing the point I think. America had it's time in the factory lights, that's over now. We've moved on, towards an economy based upon R&D coupled with a large tertiary service sector. Companies intentionally producing things in the West is unnatural and won't happen. They will produce shit where it is cheapest, not where they can lose potential profit. This is a special case, a weird move Apple is making to buy some reputation, or to sneak in an extra $100 on an iMac which won't be noticed against the sudden $600 price increase. And even then, this isn't a good thing. As I said, America -- and the rest of the West in general -- had their manufacturing era. Of course, we still do manufacture stuff, but nowhere near compared to what we used to. This is natural. Manufacturing shit here improved our economies enough, such that now it's too expensive to manufacture stuff here. Instead, we give the job to countries in South America and the East. Once again, this is natural. These countries NEED it. We don't. They will follow the same path we did, until nanotechnology or some sci-fi futurologistic shit comes along and anybody can manufacture anything for cheap.[/QUOTE] You do realize that moving to a service economy has hurt us greatly, right? When we were a manufacturing titan our economy boomed. When we started outsourcing shit the economy got really shaky and unstable. We need it just as much, if not more.
[QUOTE=Zerohe;38729000]You guys are missing the point I think. America had it's time in the factory lights, that's over now. We've moved on, towards an economy based upon R&D coupled with a large tertiary service sector. Companies intentionally producing things in the West is unnatural and won't happen. They will produce shit where it is cheapest, not where they can lose potential profit. This is a special case, a weird move Apple is making to buy some reputation, or to sneak in an extra $100 on an iMac which won't be noticed against the sudden $600 price increase. And even then, this isn't a good thing. As I said, America -- and the rest of the West in general -- had their manufacturing era. Of course, we still do manufacture stuff, but nowhere near compared to what we used to. This is natural. Manufacturing shit here improved our economies enough, such that now it's too expensive to manufacture stuff here. Instead, we give the job to countries in South America and the East. Once again, this is natural. These countries NEED it. We don't. They will follow the same path we did, until nanotechnology or some sci-fi futurologistic shit comes along and anybody can manufacture anything for cheap.[/QUOTE] Christ I hope you're not serious. What do you mean we had our ~Era~? The reason we stopped doing it is because big companies got greedy and wanted to increase their profit margins. We [The United States] and many other first world nations were directly impacted negatively by this. Not only did it take away jobs from people domestically, but it encouraged the abuse of people in developing nations. Sure, they have jobs but they hardly make enough to feed themselves, let alone live a fairly comfortable life. They work to survive, not to live. In cases like this I think the US and other Western countries need to focus on fixing their own shit. Our economy is in shambles, unemployment is ridiculously high, and there's no real sign of it stopping unless we stop and focus on our situation and give jobs back to the millions of Americans who need them. If you know basic economics you'd realize that our capitalist economy runs on spending; if people here in the states are pinching pennies, jobless, etc then the economy isn't being stimulated. I think I'd rather our economy be stable, than provide work for people who are being abused and underpaid. Look at WWII, when we were manufacturing for the war people were working, had money to spend, and our economy was at its best; changing to a service based economy has fucked us so hard we didn't even get the courtesy of lube.
[QUOTE=Zerohe;38729000]You guys are missing the point I think. America had it's time in the factory lights, that's over now. We've moved on, towards an economy based upon R&D coupled with a large tertiary service sector. Companies intentionally producing things in the West is unnatural and won't happen. They will produce shit where it is cheapest, not where they can lose potential profit. This is a special case, a weird move Apple is making to buy some reputation, or to sneak in an extra $100 on an iMac which won't be noticed against the sudden $600 price increase. And even then, this isn't a good thing. As I said, America -- and the rest of the West in general -- had their manufacturing era. Of course, we still do manufacture stuff, but nowhere near compared to what we used to. This is natural. Manufacturing shit here improved our economies enough, such that now it's too expensive to manufacture stuff here. Instead, we give the job to countries in South America and the East. Once again, this is natural. These countries NEED it. We don't. They will follow the same path we did, until nanotechnology or some sci-fi futurologistic shit comes along and anybody can manufacture anything for cheap.[/QUOTE] You seriously don't know what the hell you are talking about. Research and development jobs don't make up the entire US economy, not even close. That's not even possible. We had our manufacturing era, and it's over now for good? What the fuck, I don't even know where to start begin dissecting such an idiotic view of our economy, where do you get this shit? Are you just trolling?
[QUOTE=Zerohe;38729000]until nanotechnology or some sci-fi futurologistic shit comes along and anybody can manufacture anything for cheap.[/QUOTE] :v:
Ive not liked Apple for awhile now because of the whole patent/lawsuit thing. But if i had an iPhone that said Made in America, Id buy one.
[QUOTE=Winters;38727244]apple never ceases to amaze me, sometimes they do stud that makes them look like utter assholes and other time they'll do stuff like this.[/QUOTE] it's called bi-polar or something
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;38731244]And I'm sure everyone in China would say the same for bringing more jobs there. No one wants their economy to suffer.[/QUOTE] Difference is America is still hanging on ahead of China, but only just
It's definitely a step in the right direction. I'd like to have seen them making more than just one line of Macs in the US, but hey, baby steps. I just hope this doesn't mean my dad will want a Mac now. He refuses to buy a car that isn't an American brand. He'd rather buy a Ford than a Toyota, even though Ford's plants are in China and Toyota's are in America (or at least the plants making the cars for America).
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;38731244]And I'm sure everyone in China would say the same for bringing more jobs there. No one wants their economy to suffer.[/QUOTE] It's everyone for themselves. Doubt the chinese feel bad for taking away american and european jobs thanks to the horrendous salaries they give to their employees. Not counting the child labor and 18 hours of work / day. So yeah, screw them.
[QUOTE=TestECull;38732141]You do realize that moving to a service economy has hurt us greatly, right? When we were a manufacturing titan our economy boomed. When we started outsourcing shit the economy got really shaky and unstable. We need it just as much, if not more.[/QUOTE] No we don't. They need that kind of work more than we do. The general population in the West has a high standard of living, contrasted against the low and medium standards of living the developing world has. Even if we have had bad economical times lately, that doesn't mean our lives were brought down to the level of life in developing countries. We have many problems too, but I believe they have more than us, and they can get up to around our level by our companies outsourcing manufacturing to them. [editline]7th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;38732247]Christ I hope you're not serious. What do you mean we had our ~Era~? The reason we stopped doing it is because big companies got greedy and wanted to increase their profit margins. We [The United States] and many other first world nations were directly impacted negatively by this. Not only did it take away jobs from people domestically, but it encouraged the abuse of people in developing nations. Sure, they have jobs but they hardly make enough to feed themselves, let alone live a fairly comfortable life. They work to survive, not to live. In cases like this I think the US and other Western countries need to focus on fixing their own shit. Our economy is in shambles, unemployment is ridiculously high, and there's no real sign of it stopping unless we stop and focus on our situation and give jobs back to the millions of Americans who need them. If you know basic economics you'd realize that our capitalist economy runs on spending; if people here in the states are pinching pennies, jobless, etc then the economy isn't being stimulated. I think I'd rather our economy be stable, than provide work for people who are being abused and underpaid. Look at WWII, when we were manufacturing for the war people were working, had money to spend, and our economy was at its best; changing to a service based economy has fucked us so hard we didn't even get the courtesy of lube.[/QUOTE] But you won't get companies to make stuff here. Our world has turned global now, companies don't care about the country their headquarters is based in, they care about profits, as you said. That won't change. The USA might not be making shit left right and center anymore, because there is no incentive to do so. It is way too fucking expensive, on a bigger scale than people realise.
[QUOTE=Zerohe;38737916]No we don't. They need that kind of work more than we do. The general population in the West has a high standard of living, contrasted against the low and medium standards of living the developing world has. Even if we have had bad economical times lately, [B]that doesn't mean our lives were brought down to the level of life in developing countries. [/B][/QUOTE] This is downright offensive, I know have friends living in terrible dormrooms with barely enough to eat because their parents can't afford their study anymore. Factories mean jobs, take out those factories and you'll have thousands of people jobless and not qualified enough to access another job. Tell whatever you want about them needing our jobs more than we do, I don't give a shit as soon as it hurts my own country in any way.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38738053]This is downright offensive, I know have friends living in terrible dormrooms with barely enough to eat because their parents can't afford their study anymore. Factories mean jobs, take out those factories and you'll have thousands of people jobless and not qualified enough to access another job. Tell whatever you want about them needing our jobs more than we do, I don't give a shit as soon as it hurts my own country in any way.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry about your friends, but conditions for the general population in the developing world are much worse and on a larger scale. It is easier for countries like China and India to benefit from jobs than your friends, and more importantly, it falls in line with the interests of companies driven by greed which are unlikely to change their quest for larger profits. Not everyone can win, but I like to argue for the path that helps the most human beings, which is outsourcing jobs to the developing world.
[QUOTE=TestECull;38732141]You do realize that moving to a service economy has hurt us greatly, right? When we were a manufacturing titan our economy boomed. When we started outsourcing shit the economy got really shaky and unstable. We need it just as much, if not more.[/QUOTE] I guess if you want to go back to a lower standard of living where most people worked in a factory 14 hours a day. Today we have enough education that people can work in high pay, high skill jobs. Like I said before, if manufacturing comes back to the US it's going to bring in engineering jobs because manufacturing is going to be fully automated by machines. The service and technology economy we have is why we have such a high standard of living in the west.
I hope this helps with the US Economy by creating jobs.
[QUOTE=nomad1;38741449]I hope this helps with the US Economy by creating jobs.[/QUOTE] I hope it does more than that. I hope to see it become a trend among consumer "Wants" You know how certain products advertise specific things that make it more appealing? I hope that 'Made in the USA' becomes a consumer trend, and almost nudges other manufacturers to start producing high quality products domestically.
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