Wisconsin Senate Leader Fitzgerald Removes Representation Of 2.2 Million American Votes
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[QUOTE=Miskav;28616918]Glaber, it's pointless to continue posting, you have proven time and time again that you're a brainwashed drone, incapable of rational thought.
If you truly believe what you say, then may god have mercy upon your soul.[/QUOTE]
Same to you.
Sad thing is, this is what both sides look like to each other.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28616965]Same to you.
Sad thing is, this is what both sides look like to each other.[/QUOTE]
Difference between us is I don't have short term memory loss and an inflated ego.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28616965]Same to you.
Sad thing is, this is what both sides look like to each other.[/QUOTE]
Sad thing is, you neglect every single valid claim, which time and time again reveal your opinions to be misguided and blatantly wrong.
You are willfully ignorant of the wrongdoings of your "side", I accept that democrats aren't always right, even though I'm not a democrat seeing as we don't have a retarded two party system in our political system.
good to see republicans once again respecting the democratic process
[QUOTE=Glaber;28616965]Same to you.
Sad thing is, this is what both sides look like to each other.[/QUOTE]
Yeah no.
One side is angry because this is blatant violation of law and usurping citizens rights.
The other side is delusional, accepting everything presented by Fox news.
Guess who's who you Tool.
Glaber, I'm willing to accept both parties have their wrongdoings, are you able to say the same?
Glaber, address the issue at hand. I do not understand why I must continue to reiterate this point:[b]THESE PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE ANY SORT OF REPRESENTATION OR SAY IN WHAT GOES ON IN THEIR GOVERNMENT.[/b]
That is fundamentally against the principles of the United States Constitution.
[QUOTE=Miskav;28617065]Glaber, I'm willing to accept both parties have their wrongdoings, are you able to say the same?[/QUOTE]
He'll say yes, and then continue to disagree with every problem you say they have.
Because why make sense. Making sense means thinking, and thinking is hard.
[editline]15th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=imarawrus;28617071]Glaber, address the issue at hand. I do not understand why I must continue to reiterate this point:[b]THESE PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE ANY SORT OF REPRESENTATION OR SAY IN WHAT GOES IN THEIR GOVERNMENT.[/b][/QUOTE]
yeah well the dems deserve it for being bleeding heart cowards lol
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28617073]He'll say yes, and then continue to disagree with every problem you say they have.
Because why make sense. Making sense means thinking, and thinking is hard.
[editline]15th March 2011[/editline]
yeah well the dems deserve it for being bleeding heart cowards lol[/QUOTE]
I've accepted that Glaber can't make any sense what so ever, because he has been brain washed since birth.
What I do wish to know is if he worships his side like it's god's semen walking around writing novels or if he accepts that they're humans who are capable of making mistakes. (Which, amusingly enough, they do almost constantly)
[QUOTE=imarawrus;28617071]Glaber, address the issue at hand. I do not understand why I must continue to reiterate this point:[b]THESE PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE ANY SORT OF REPRESENTATION OR SAY IN WHAT GOES IN THEIR GOVERNMENT.[/b][/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I am alright with having no means of representation as long as it's preceded by a (REP).
Because I am such political sheep that I have placed full unwavering support into one party.
Why even have more than one party? I don't vote democrat. Make this a one party state so we can stand stronger, hell we might even show those commies how a real country works.
The point is, america's system is fundamentally flawed.
I have things I'm liberal about, and I have things I'm conservative on.
Crime? Conservative.
Prostitution? Liberal.
You can't be only one side, that's impossible unless you have zero cognitive functions left after decades of brainwashing.
[QUOTE=Miskav;28617131]
You can't be only one side, that's impossible unless you have zero cognitive functions left after decades of brainwashing.[/QUOTE]
You are wrong there, I am one sided and that sided is pure high octane America.
You are also wrong on prostitution because family values and crime and family values and crime and family values and crime and family values.
[QUOTE=Miskav;28617131]The point is, america's system is fundamentally flawed.
I have things I'm liberal about, and I have things I'm conservative on.
Crime? Conservative.
Prostitution? Liberal.
You can't be only one side, that's impossible unless you have zero cognitive functions left after decades of brainwashing.[/QUOTE]
I personally believe that people are incapable of running themselves because they're so fucking thick, and so computers should run as much of the government as possible.
Where's my party, huh?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28617161]I personally believe that people are incapable of running themselves because they're so fucking thick, and so computers should run as much of the government as possible.
Where's my party, huh?[/QUOTE]
You reaffirm my point, thanks.
Glaber, I'm still waiting to hear your counterpoint.
[QUOTE=imarawrus;28617200]Glaber, I'm still waiting to hear your counterpoint.[/QUOTE]
He'll do what he always does:
Pick out 1 point, respond to it in his usual uneducated fashion, totally missing the point by about a mile, then yelling "You're all picking on me because I'm a minority" which is ironic as his side shits on minorities.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;28617051]good to see republicans once again respecting the democratic process[/QUOTE]
:irony:
I'm still waiting for somebody to reply to my post as well, everyone's pretty much used the first page to bitch at Glaber (essentially just calling him names, looking good)
[QUOTE=imarawrus;28616951]They left so that the bill could not be voted on. Therefor representing their supporters. The real problem I have here, and I feel you are somewhat avoiding, is the fact that these people no longer have any representation. That is a problem, a [b]HUGE[/b] problem, that I think you would be more concerned about. Republican or Democrat the motions set forth by Senator Fitzgerald are appalling regardless of what the Democratic senators did. Wisconsin's State Senate has essentially become a one-party system. This seizure of power is downright tyrannical, and the fact that you seem to be defending it based on the actions of those Senators is disgusting.
They should have resorted to other means to have gotten their points across, but on that logic what the Republicans have done is no better.[/QUOTE]
You're right, it is no better, but that doesn't excuse the Democrats from punishment. This is an unfortunate consequence of an entire party running away from a problem. If even one Democrat had stayed behind and voted No, regardless of what good that vote would of done, that Democrat would still have full representational power.
Do I think that there should be 1 party control anywhere? NO
Do I think the Democrats should not be punished for running away instead of using a filibusterer? NO
How can you still defend Running away as a RESPONSIBLE action? Especially with what s0beit quoted!
[QUOTE=s0beit;28615956]Willful absence in the senate is a pretty big deal, legally. I'm surprised most people didn't know this in the previous topic.
[quote][Organization of legislature; quorum; compulsory attendance.] Each house shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members; and a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business, but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may compel the attendance of absent members in such manner and under such penalties as each house may provide.
Citing Article IV, §8, the court held "[i]t is the State Senate that must enforce its own rules, if it chooses to do so." Barthel v. Holperin, Case No. 11CV100 (Order, March 2, 2011). All 14 absent Senators are subject to the same Court holding. The Senate has clear legal authority to act to compel the return of its members. The Circuit Court explicitly stated, "‘Each house may determine the rules of its own proceedings...', and may punish for contempt."[/quote]
[quote]In response to a request from the legislature, the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office came to the same conclusion many years ago. "Members of the assembly, regardless of number, in lawful session, can compel attendance of absent members in such manner...as are authorized by the assembly itself." 18 Op. Atty. Gen. 406 (1929)[/quote]
I'm not saying it's the right way to go about things but legally it isn't a grey area at all (contempt), I'm unsure if being in contempt takes away your right to vote on bills (THAT might be grey) but they're definitely in contempt.[/QUOTE]
Also I've taken notice of Snyder's actions to balance the budget and they go a step too far. So don't you tell me I'm willfully ignorant. I'm just ignorant about what's not reported on. If you want me informed about the bad things my side does, make sure it's reported. (but please don't use MSNBC and especially don't use Maddow. She is a documented liar.)
I'm paying close attention to Snyder as he's my Governor.
[QUOTE=Miskav;28617131]The point is, america's system is fundamentally flawed.
I have things I'm liberal about, and I have things I'm conservative on.
Crime? Conservative.
Prostitution? Liberal.
You can't be only one side, that's impossible unless you have zero cognitive functions left after decades of brainwashing.[/QUOTE]
When we cover a topic I'm liberal on, I'll let you know.
[QUOTE=imarawrus;28617071]Glaber, address the issue at hand. I do not understand why I must continue to reiterate this point:[b]THESE PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE ANY SORT OF REPRESENTATION OR SAY IN WHAT GOES ON IN THEIR GOVERNMENT.[/b]
That is fundamentally against the principles of the United States Constitution.[/QUOTE]
[Citation Requested]
Please use this site: [url]http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html[/url]
Also WHAT KIND OF PUNISHMENT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE INSTEAD?!
These democrats can't go unpunished otherwise Republicans can use this tactic too. Do you think I want THAT to happen? You need to think "If my side does this, what's to stop the other side from doing this too?".
Lead by example.
[QUOTE=Miskav;28617232] "You're all picking on me because I'm a minority"[/QUOTE]
That's because it's true.
And that's why we need to remove the voters rights, otherwise it would be a tyranny of the majority!
[QUOTE=Miskav;28617232]He'll do what he always does:
Pick out 1 point, respond to it in his usual uneducated fashion, totally missing the point by about a mile, then yelling "You're all picking on me because I'm a minority" which is ironic as his side shits on minorities.[/QUOTE]
That's fine. I only have one point I'm trying to make, and I'm pretty sure I don't need to mention it again.
Fine them money, put it into a couple cent increase for teacher's wage.
Why didn't the dems filibuster?
[QUOTE=Glaber;28617246] How can you still defend Running away as a RESPONSIBLE action? Especially with what s0beit quoted!
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That's right! How can you defend people refusing to vote on something that was to be voted on with zero time for discussion?
I personally think that refusing to vote is far worse than taking away the rights of the democrats.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;28617278]That's right! How can you defend people refusing to vote on something that was to be voted on with zero time for discussion?
I personally think that refusing to vote is far worse than taking away the rights of the democrats.[/QUOTE]
Do you not get that the Responsible action would be to force a filibuster so they could discuss it?
If I remember right, the Republicans in DC used a filibuster during the Health Care Debate. How much you want to bet parts of it might of gotten passed sooner if they just Ran away?
[QUOTE=Glaber;28617329]Do you not get that the Responsible action would be to force a filibuster so they could discuss it?
If I remember right, the Republicans in DC used a filibuster during the Health Care Debate. How much you want to bet parts of it might of gotten passed sooner if they just Ran away?[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about, I wholeheartedly agreed with the statement you made.
Just as much as I agree that Republicans needed to push this bill out with zero discussion because of the urgent matter in regards to
Don't give me that [citation needed] bullshit. You know Goddamn well this goes against what the founding principles of this country. I can't tell you what punishment I would have picked, I'm not in a position to make that decision. But I can sure as hell tell you that it would not have stripped 2.2 million people of their rights. You still have not addressed that issue and it starting to get ridiculous.
[quote] These democrats can't go unpunished otherwise Republicans can use this tactic too. Do you think I want THAT to happen? You need to think "If my side does this, what's to stop the other side from doing this too?". [/quote]
No, I do not think you want that to happen. But I have serious issues with the fact that you seem to think that this okay given the actions of the Democratic Senators. I'm starting to feel like a broken record here, and I don't think that's my fault.
Now, I will ask you directly: how do you feel about the fact that [b]2.2 Million people [/b] are no longer being represented in the great state of Wisconsin? I ask you, how can you still defend stripping the representative rights of 2.2 million Wisconsinites?
Condemn the whole for the actions of a few right?
The law allowing this in of itself may not be unconstitutional, but the end results of the law are.
[QUOTE=imarawrus;28617353]
Now, I will ask you directly: how do you feel about the fact that [b]2.2 Million people [/b] are no longer being represented in the great state of Wisconsin?[/QUOTE]
They voted democrat, they aren't people
If the repulicans even get in the white house you people get another name:
United Kingdom of America
[QUOTE=imarawrus;28617353]Don't give me that [citation needed] bullshit. You know Goddamn well this goes against what the founding principles of this country. I can't tell you what punishment I would have picked, I'm not in a position to make that decision. But I can sure as hell tell you that it would not have stripped 2.2 million people of their rights. You still have not addressed that issue and it starting to get ridiculous.
No, I do not think you want that to happen. But I have serious issues with the fact that you seem to think that this okay given the actions of the Democratic Senators. I'm starting to feel like a broken record here, and I don't think that's my fault.
Now, I will ask you directly: how do you feel about the fact that [b]2.2 Million people [/b] are no longer being represented in the great state of Wisconsin? I ask you, how can you still defend stripping the representative rights of 2.2 million Wisconsinites?
Condemn the whole for the actions of a few right?
The law allowing this in of itself may not be unconstitutional, but the end results of the law are.[/QUOTE]
[CITATION REQUIRED BULLSHIT] [b]Point it out already.[/b] Give me a section of the Constitution to reference!
Use this site:[url]http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html[/url]
Look, I don't like that 2.2 million people lost representation any more than you do. I do think it's wrong, but it's also wrong to let the Democrats go unpunished. But if you're so sure that it's unconstitutional, then CITE the Constitution. You can't just say something is or is not constitutional without citing it.
Why do you think that I keep citing it in our Healthcare arguments when I say that something like the Mandate to force people to buy health insurance is unconstitutional?
Because I learned in school to Cite my Sources. You see the story in the first post? Its source is NOT cited. (No source link) How do we know the source is legit without a link?
The only way I could even find out that this story was true was to use the topic title to search for the article it self.
And I don't even know if it's the article used:
[url]http://nationaljournal.com/wisconsin-senate-won-t-count-dems-votes-majority-leader-says-20110315[/url]
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;28617278]That's right! How can you defend people refusing to vote on something that was to be voted on with zero time for discussion?
I personally think that refusing to vote is far worse than taking away the rights of the democrats.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;28617349]What are you talking about, I wholeheartedly agreed with the statement you made.
Just as much as I agree that Republicans needed to push this bill out with zero discussion because of the urgent matter in regards to[/QUOTE]
Go back to school and take those reading classes over again. That's not what my statement was about. My statement was about Responsibility.
About how it was irresponsible for them to run away from their duty and that they could of done their job better using filibusters, and "No" votes instead of running away and causing Indiana Democrats to do the same thing!
[Citation] [url]http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/02/22/133966237/indiana-democratic-lawmakers-imitate-wisconsin-flee-state[/url] [/citation]
[citation] [url]http://www.indystar.com/article/20110222/NEWS/110222004/House-Democrats-flee-Indiana-stop-votes?odyssey[/url] [/citation]
If you really agree that Republicans needed to push this bill out with zero discussion because of the urgent matter in regards to, then you agree that democrats needed to push the healthcare bill though in DC with zero discussion because of the urgent matter in regards to that too.
I bet you'd be making the same argument I am if Republicans did the same thing. (Only difference, I wouldn't defend them running away.)
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;28617731]If the repulicans even get in the white house you people get another name:
United Kingdom of America[/QUOTE]
republicans fuck everything up, god forbid if palin won instead of obama
fucking dumb bitch believed dinosaurs roamed around with jesus christ or some shit like that
[QUOTE=Moose;28617877]republicans fuck everything up, god forbid if palin won instead of obama
fucking dumb bitch believed dinosaurs roamed around with jesus christ or some shit like that[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone like that will ever be elected. Matt Damon sufficiently owned Palin for that.
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