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i won't upgrade until they give us a Windows Classic theme for windows 10, or the ability to modify the taskbar. currently windows 7 has the best theme support (8 is okay but wonky) and my UX is way more important than my OS' feature
My issue is that half the functionality I want out of windows 10 is based on me having a microsoft account, and I don't fucking want one. It bothers me that I have to use their other software to use the one piece of software I wanted (windows 10). It reduces the versatility of my machine.
Why I don't upgrade, I don't feel like formatting my computer. As well as if it's anything like when I went to 8 the amount of issues I had was not worth it.
[QUOTE=DELL;49448254]Why I don't upgrade, I don't feel like formatting my computer. As well as if it's anything like when I went to 8 the amount of issues I had was not worth it.[/QUOTE] Yeah I made the mistake of installing on top of a Windows 8.1 install that was installed on top of a broken Windows 7 install. Sometimes my Start menu just fails to initialise. Those are fun days. But reformatting at this point is a waste of my time.
[QUOTE=Monkah;49448134]because people can't talk about legitimate privacy issues without it being a 'meme', eh? is talking about the nsa a meme now too?[/QUOTE] considering how shit the NSA is at its job and how it's not yet caught 1 terrorist NSA may as well be a meme
I haven't upgraded to 10 yet because it would require a full reinstall. Every time I have tried I've had to restore from backup because it fucks up horribly.
My upgrade from 7 has gone fine so far
I've dual booted 8 and 10 since 10 gives me issues in some games.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49446423]then try and sell windows 10 on features rather than fear[/QUOTE] And maybe also give people features they want instead of what they're told to be wanting.
Doesn't it also uninstall programs for you during updates? Not only does that take control away from the user, but it also spits in the faces of third party developers.
I actually have a clean installed windows 10, but it completely refuses to install the november update for me. It always end up getting stuck at 81% copying files. It has a bunch of disadvantages over 7 though. The UI is absolutely downgraded, the search function now needs cortana and searchindexer. Where on 7 you could have turned off searchindexer and still could search for apps on 10 its impossible.(You also cannot turn off some useless services like "live tile server") So the idle ram usage is higher. What else, I got 2 bsods so far from speccy64.exe and display driver uninstaller. And didn't get 1 single bsod from 7 and that was 2 years of usage. This is barely 3-4 months now. So maybe if microsoft gets their head in the game we could get a service pack 1 version that could completely obliterate 7 but as it stands now its a beta version. Seriously why not leave the aero UI as an option at least, if they want people to switch they could at least please people that have hardly switched from xp to 7. If it ain't broke don't change it.
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;49449320]So the idle ram usage is higher.[/QUOTE] this is a total non-issue, unused RAM is wasted RAM and the second that any process needs that RAM, Windows will free it up from background services like the live tile server or searchindexer. it's a very quick process, you're unlikely to notice it on anything from the last 10 years. bsod issues are still weirdly common, I don't think many vendors are on top of their driver game despite having over a year to fix critical bugs in their Windows 10 drivers (if they even made them).
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49449242]Doesn't it also uninstall programs for you during updates? Not only does that take control away from the user, but it also spits in the faces of third party developers.[/QUOTE] I haven't heard about this at all (and I follow Microsoft pretty closely), but after searching around it seems it was only in relation to the November update and I guess a pretty limited amount of programs (and for a limited amount of users?). Still annoying I guess, but it isn't something Windows 10 is doing routinely. gdfsgdfg mentioned getting bsods from speccy64.exe... which is one of the program mentioned online as being uninstalled by the November update because of incompatibility. Who knows, let's see how it works out.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49449422]gdfsgdfg mentioned getting bsods from speccy64.exe... [/QUOTE] Could have been a incompatibility with 10, looks like they released a new version now so it probably solves that problem. Programs getting uninstalled by windows though I haven't got something like that but then again I turned every single service that pisses me off like "security center" I have always eliminated that service since XP. I'm guessing its a "feature" of the new update?
My windows 7 is actually starting to fall apart (taskbar tray arrow / tray icons / clock) like to disappear on me. I'll probably buy an SSD and load windows 10 on it.
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;49449633]Could have been a incompatibility with 10, looks like they released a new version now so it probably solves that problem. Programs getting uninstalled by windows though I haven't got something like that but then again I turned every single service that pisses me off like "security center" I have always eliminated that service since XP. [B]I'm guessing its a "feature" of the new update?[/B][/QUOTE] I don't know, I'm not even running 10. As I said I haven't seen widespread reports of the problem which leads me to believe it might've been fairly limited. Windows 10 informs people of incompatibilities before upgrading, though, and it seems like the same system might've been in play with regards to the November update - only this time it had uninstalled programs without asking (in some capacity at least).
Microsoft, you're not going to scare me into running W10. If you want W10 on my machine, you're gonna have to do a few things. 1: Give me an option of a classic skin. I adore the UI of the pre-XP Windows iterations and use that skin in 7. Used it in Vista. Used it in XP. Call me wierd or old fashioned if you want but the UI from 98SE was bang on, and I want that UI controlling a modern framework. 2: Give me [b]total[/b] control of my computer. Yes, that means giving Windows Update a true 'off' button, along with every other service that isn't vital to the computer actually starting. And, no, UAC/WU/whatever are not vital services. It is [b]my[/b] computer and it is [b]my[/b] choice how to operate it. Not yours. I don't give a shit if my choices fly in the face of common wisdom or your recommendations. It is my computer and my choice, and I refuse to use an OS that requires third party tweaks/reg editing/HOSTS edits/etc to configure the way I've been configuring them for years through Control Panel. 3: Get rid of the app store bullshit. My computer is [b]not[/b] a fucking tablet you morons. Apps and app stores are the things of tablets and smartphones, not laptops and desktops. Stop trying to force them into somewhere they don't belong. 4: Stop the anti-user bullshit of forcing W10 down the pipe whether users want it or not. If they want it they've already got it, if they don't want it you're wasting 10-20 gigs of their harddrive for nothing. 5: Stop deleting third party software through Windows Update because you found a glitch with it on your test machine. It flies in the face of point two and is an insult to the developers. [quote] “We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years old that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on a bunch of older machines,” Capossela stated.[/quote] Funnily enough, bub, W10 and W8 are so far the only Windows versions that have given issues with FO4. W7 runs it just fine.
[QUOTE=kobalt;49446869]When Windows stops trying to force people into Windows 10 and stops using scare tactics.[/QUOTE] This, they way they are trying to push people to adopt Windows 10 comes off as extremely shady. They claim it's so that everyone will be on the same page when it comes to security and features, but the constant phoning home, shady EULA, and MS's ties to the NSA and it's data collection programs points to a rather different and more insidious reasoning for them trying to get everyone to install W10 ASAP.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49446423]then try and sell windows 10 on features rather than fear[/QUOTE] They tried that with seven. There are still fucking hold outs.
What's an MS puppet going to say? They have to "push" the win10 agenda, cmon! But remember these articles [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data"]1[/URL] [URL="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/19/microsoft_nsa_fallout/"]2[/URL] from a while back? No wonder China banned Win8 in their public sectors, they know what's up. Microsoft is US based and complies to NSA like a little bitch, no questions asked. That's the problem!
[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;49451737]What's an MS puppet going to say? They have to "push" the win10 agenda, cmon! But remember these articles [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data"]1[/URL] [URL="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/19/microsoft_nsa_fallout/"]2[/URL] from a while back? No wonder China banned Win8 in their public sectors, they know what's up. Microsoft is US based and complies to NSA like a little bitch, no questions asked. That's the problem![/QUOTE] If MS is just out to report you to the NSA, what makes you think they haven't implemented a million backdoors in Windows 7 sending all your information to them?
As bad as a company pushing unnecessary upgrades might be, I don't get the holdovers who insist on staying on Windows 7; probably the same people who complained about Windows 8 because they couldn't figure out the whole START> type what you want system. There is literally nothing that is worse on Win 10 vs Win 7.
I play a lot of really, really old ass games, and I know at least some of them work even less well on W10 than they do on 7.
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49451837] There is literally nothing that is worse on Win 10 vs Win 7.[/QUOTE] Except the UX, performance, compatibility, user freedom and privacy (yeah I know I'm posting from Android)
I'll move to Win10 when I have a reason to, currently I don't. And I do actually want to upgrade at some point, but I hate feeling like I'm being 'ordered' to do so, rather than just upgrading when I want to.
[QUOTE=Lurr;49452053]Except the UX, performance, compatibility, user freedom and privacy (yeah I know I'm posting from Android)[/QUOTE] UX for me is 100X better than Win7 or WinXP. If you're still actually wanting a WinXP style menu in this day and age there is something wrong with you. Performance is far better than Win7 or Win8 for me, far more reliable. 0 crashes so far. Haven't had any issues with compatibility. I use veracrypt for shit that actually matters.
[QUOTE=elowin;49451839]I play a lot of really, really old ass games, and I know at least some of them work even less well on W10 than they do on 7.[/QUOTE] Between GOGs releases and DOSBox I have had 0 problems with my library of 50+ games dating back to the late 80s. Perhaps it's user error [editline]4th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lurr;49452053]Except the UX, performance, compatibility, user freedom and privacy (yeah I know I'm posting from Android)[/QUOTE] Uhh what. Performance is a step above any older implementation of windows, your freedoms and privacy are honestly better off too (if you don't think windows xp and onwards had backdoors implemented too youre horribly horribly misguided) There are valid reasons to not want to switch just yet, none of what you said are good ones. All you're doing is perpetuating 'but muh botnet'. [editline]4th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kuro.;49451411]This, they way they are trying to push people to adopt Windows 10 comes off as extremely shady. They claim it's so that everyone will be on the same page when it comes to security and features, but the constant phoning home, shady EULA, and MS's ties to the NSA and it's data collection programs points to a rather different and more insidious reasoning for them trying to get everyone to install W10 ASAP.[/QUOTE] Yeah cause after the immense shitstorm when people saw what the NSA was up to before, they're clearly teaming up with MS to force a thinly veiled dystopian monitoring is on you Some of you guys are absolutely beyond reason
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49452363] Some of you guys are absolutely beyond reason[/QUOTE] It could be worse; it could be like Mac OS X that breaks compatibility with [b]modern[/b] apps between incremental OS versions. At least some basic half-ass app on windows to manage files/ftp/shell/whatever that worked on XP or 7 is extremely likely to work on 10. On OS X even simple apps sometimes don't work at all on the latest OS version.
[QUOTE=TestECull;49451142] 3: Get rid of the app store bullshit. My computer is [b]not[/b] a fucking tablet you morons. Apps and app stores are the things of tablets and smartphones, not laptops and desktops. Stop trying to force them into somewhere they don't belong. [/QUOTE] This is the stupidest complaint I've ever heard. If you don't want it, don't use it. It's there for people who may not be very tech literate to find programs that are safe and easy to install. How could that possibly be a bad thing?
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49452178]UX for me is 100X better than Win7 or WinXP. If you're still actually wanting a WinXP style menu in this day and age there is something wrong with you. Performance is far better than Win7 or Win8 for me, far more reliable. 0 crashes so far. Haven't had any issues with compatibility. I use veracrypt for shit that actually matters.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with wanting a functional and aesthetically pleasing interface? On performance, you're just outright wrong. W10 runs any number of totally unnecessary background processes that serve to cause massive slowdown. Compatibility is hit or miss. I have had issues, as have others here. You might not have, but it's very much a problem. [QUOTE]Uhh what. Performance is a step above any older implementation of windows, your freedoms and privacy are honestly better off too (if you don't think windows xp and onwards had backdoors implemented too youre horribly horribly misguided) There are valid reasons to not want to switch just yet, none of what you said are good ones. All you're doing is perpetuating 'but muh botnet'.[/QUOTE] Already addressed performance, but let's talk about freedom. Does W7 allow for remote uninstallation of applications? What about UX customization? Or updates? Next, can you point me to backdoors in XP, Vista or 7? I would like to see them If valid privacy concerns are "muh botnet", I guess I'll be perpetuating "muh botnet"
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