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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49455349]How much of this is specific to Windows 10? As you said, most users might as well run XP (if it was still updated), so why would anyone ever upgrade to Windows 7? Specific to Windows 10, this version is actually [I]free[/I].[/QUOTE] The key point is that people don't like forced and unnecessary change and hate having to relearn how to use their device. XP had plenty of holdouts for the same reason, true, but most prebuilt XP computers are getting to the age where the hard drive fails and an average Joe isn't going to know how to fix that so they've been forced to buy a new PC with a new OS. However Windows 7 computers aren't that old and thus people have something that still works. And the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rings true for a lot of people. 8.1 and 8 had the exact same issue. People were happy with 7 or XP, maybe they buy a new computer because their old one was slow, now they have to learn everything over again because of metro. And now those people have finally gotten comfortable with 8 or 8.1 ( I see a lot of people running 8 because Windows Update runs into a common issue and never upgrades) and have to relearn everything again because Windows 10 "tricks" them into getting it and they then freak out when everything's different. It's frustrating for them, they're not power users, computers are a foreign language to them and they only know the common words a tourist would know so to speak.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49453449]I find this very difficult to believe. I'm currently using 2GB of RAM (out of 16) and over 50% of that is Firefox, Windows 10 is using only a few hundred MB of RAM. I've never experienced unresponsiveness or glitches. Also Metro apps don't tun on if you don't use the Metro start screen, I have none currently active and have never launched them.[/QUOTE] I installed Windows 10 on my Acer Aspire E11 laptop to see if I liked it before I installed it on my desktop. Since this laptop uses 2gb of ram and a Celeron processor, it shows all of those negatives he mentioned. While writing this, it took 1 minute and 5 seconds to start from cold boot and 37 seconds to log in. On its original Windows 8.1 install, it took about 10 seconds to boot, and 5 to log in. After it logs in, the hard drive gets stuck at 100% usage for the next hour or so, at read and write speeds of 1.5mb/s, varying down to 357kb/s. Opening the start menu will take anywhere between 1 second and 20, which is consistent with any of their universal apps, with the worst offender being the settings menu. Doing anything in the settings menu takes anywhere from 1 second to 5, including changing the tab or switching a setting. None of the older windows 7 style menus like Programs and Features or Explorer have any delay being used. The standard Calculator that windows comes with is completely unusable due to it being changed to a universal app, where each button press has a 1 second delay, and the app itself has a splash screen that takes 10 to start. This makes quick calculations on it impossible. The Start menu also has this delay.
[QUOTE=skatehawk11;49458075]These scare tactics are not going to work on me. I hated the new "metro" theme of windows since 8, lack of full access to your computer, the app store (what do you think I am, a phone?). I also hate how they removed the aero blur that I love so much.[/QUOTE] 'lack of full access to your computer' if you're not handicapped and even kind of know your way around a computer than this is absolutely false. the only way that windows 10 restricts access is for people who don't know how to do shit themselves, and then its just so you dont break shit (Cause people did that all the time on xp and vista). i see so many people complaining its not good for power users, when in all honestly the people complaining sound like pretty casual users all around
[QUOTE=Ogris;49456143]8GB leaves you with almot 6gb of RAM free. Good fucking luck using that up unless you're doing something professionally. Stop pulling stuff out of your ass.[/QUOTE] Well I actually 'use' my computer, not just professionally. I expect things to load quickly and be easy to access. I expect to be able to leave a lot open. I use my RAM. I'm barely doing much right now and I'm using 7.8GB [editline]5th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;49458658]'lack of full access to your computer' if you're not handicapped and even kind of know your way around a computer than this is absolutely false. the only way that windows 10 restricts access is for people who don't know how to do shit themselves, and then its just so you dont break shit (Cause people did that all the time on xp and vista). i see so many people complaining its not good for power users, when in all honestly the people complaining sound like pretty casual users all around[/QUOTE] Its fantastic for power users. Whatever that means.
[QUOTE=CrossNgen;49452663]Wait, just a few months ago I read a lot of good reports about Win10, what changed?[/QUOTE] Public's reaction has always been [B]really[/B] negative since the day it came out.
[QUOTE=skatehawk11;49458075]These scare tactics are not going to work on me. I hated the new "metro" theme of windows since 8, lack of full access to your computer, the app store (what do you think I am, a phone?). I also hate how they removed the aero blur that I love so much.[/QUOTE] "lack of full access". If your talking about the UI, everything is still there. Worst case, the way you access it moved. If your talking about forced UAC, its something your supposed to have on anyway (and something I've been using since I moved to 7 in 2009). Its not taking away your freedoms. Even the most free OS in the world (Linux) still enforces access levels. Even more strictly than 10 does.
And it takes like no time at all to just regedit past uac anyway lol I used to have a 'claim ownership' button on my right click menu that forced that file/folder to recognize my account as the highest possible privelidges. Well worth the 30 seconds it takes to google the tweak [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49460522]Well I actually 'use' my computer, not just professionally. I expect things to load quickly and be easy to access. I expect to be able to leave a lot open. I use my RAM. I'm barely doing much right now and I'm using 7.8GB [editline]5th January 2016[/editline] Its fantastic for power users. Whatever that means.[/QUOTE] RAM should always be used up while idle, it wouldn't really make any sense for it not go be. The whole point is that the OS will reallocate it on the fly when needed. Just because you're running 8 gigs doesn't mean your system needs it or is really benefitting from it (at least on the surface), take this from the guy who runs 16 gigs for no good reason lol [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Copperbotte;49458554]I installed Windows 10 on my Acer Aspire E11 laptop to see if I liked it before I installed it on my desktop. Since this laptop uses 2gb of ram and a Celeron processor, it shows all of those negatives he mentioned. While writing this, it took 1 minute and 5 seconds to start from cold boot and 37 seconds to log in. On its original Windows 8.1 install, it took about 10 seconds to boot, and 5 to log in. After it logs in, the hard drive gets stuck at 100% usage for the next hour or so, at read and write speeds of 1.5mb/s, varying down to 357kb/s. Opening the start menu will take anywhere between 1 second and 20, which is consistent with any of their universal apps, with the worst offender being the settings menu. Doing anything in the settings menu takes anywhere from 1 second to 5, including changing the tab or switching a setting. None of the older windows 7 style menus like Programs and Features or Explorer have any delay being used. The standard Calculator that windows comes with is completely unusable due to it being changed to a universal app, where each button press has a 1 second delay, and the app itself has a splash screen that takes 10 to start. This makes quick calculations on it impossible. The Start menu also has this delay.[/QUOTE] Sounds like your lappy just has a garbage hard disk, I'm running a shitbox with similar specs and I've never had any issues aside from when I leave my shitty shadowrun character sheet program open for like 2 days, cause apparently it just chews through memory like a mofo
My gripe with Windows 10 is something always conveniently breaks after it downloads updates. It'll download updates, I'll put off on installing them, then just a day or so later my sound starts crashing like crazy, the start menu stops working, or it won't even let me sign in because Cortana (something I don't even use) failed to launch. I'll restart to install the updates and viola, everything works again. Forced the automatic update service to shut off and wow, suddenly everything is running faster and I'm not getting bullshit problems anymore. The way they try to shove updates down your throat is despicable.
I haven't switched to W10 because I just don't like it. W7 fits for me, runs great for me, and I like having Cairo (Windows Classic). I also like aero when im feeling fancy. I also don't believe of "security" problems from the "Chief Marketing" asshole either. He has just as much credibility as a cum soaked loaf of bread.
[QUOTE=Scot;49452602]How could that possibly be a bad thing?[/QUOTE] First steps towards trying to put desktop and laptop machines into the same walled garden software environment that strangles smartphones? It's far faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar easier to use 'not Windows approved' software on a computer than it is to use 'not Google approved' software on my phone. On my computer all I have to do is download and execute it. That freedom is part of what makes computers great and I can't help but see Microsoft trying to nudge us away from that and into the curated, walled garden fustercluck that smartphones and tablets currently live in. The software I run shouldn't have to be vetted by Microsoft first. It is, ultimately, [i]my[/i] responsibility as the operator of the machine to vet the software run upon it. Not Microsoft's. I have a feeling apps like BetterDS3, one I use daily as I'm using a DS3 as a gamepad on my computer for games that need proportional inputs, wouldn't make it into the garden. [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Demache;49465187] If your talking about forced UAC, its something your supposed to have on anyway (and something I've been using since I moved to 7 in 2009). Its not taking away your freedoms. Even the most free OS in the world (Linux) still enforces access levels. Even more strictly than 10 does.[/QUOTE] It's also annoying as all hell, which is why it's always nuked on my machines from day one. I don't need my OS bitching at me every time I do something. It should simply do what I tell it to do, no questions asked.
[QUOTE=TestECull;49469045]It's also annoying as all hell, which is why it's always nuked on my machines from day one. I don't need my OS bitching at me every time I do something. It should simply do what I tell it to do, no questions asked.[/QUOTE] "ughh fuck off why is my install asking me to sudo everything??? i only want to change core system files irreversibly!" It's a less than one second check to make sure you actually are who you say you are (very little malware can interact with the secure desktop, so if you're one of those fuckball anti-AV crusaders or just dumb it's the literal last line of defence) and to make sure you get a chance to back out of potentially system ending changes. Leave it on and deal with it, you shouldn't be seeing UAC pop-ups on a daily basis, if you are then you're likely doing a lot of things in a weird way.
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