Upside-down US flag T-shirt upsets Memorial Day shoppers
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as stupid as the over-reactions are, you'd be just as stupid to be seen walking around with it during memorial day, veterans day, or any other holiday associated with American history.
if people are this over-reacting online, you'd probably encounter just as many, if not more people, and maybe they'll be more inclined to apply physical harm to you over something so trivial. to be wearing that around those specific days would just be asking for it.
[QUOTE=Jackald;47812481]I find it weird that you guys basically have to make a pledge of loyalty to your country every day in your schools. Like what the hell is that all about.[/QUOTE]
Again, the forcing of the pledge of allegiance has been banned since 1942.
Shirts with flags on them should be banned. Fuck it, ban shirts all together.
Coming from Québec, it's still hard for me to understand this flag fetish.
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[QUOTE=Swilly;47822055]Again, the forcing of the pledge of allegiance has been banned since 1942.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're right. It's no longer forced, just highly pressured.
Legally they can't touch you, but you'll get the dirtiest of looks. You're not legally forced, but it's still pushed and children are "made" to do it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;47819692]This is where the english and british flags shine as nobody bats an eyelid when they're upside down, because they still look pretty much the same[/QUOTE]
And the fact that in general we don't care quite so much about our flags.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;47824793]Yeah, you're right. It's no longer forced, just highly pressured.
Legally they can't touch you, but you'll get the dirtiest of looks. You're not legally forced, but it's still pushed and children are "made" to do it.[/QUOTE]
It depends on where you live, I grew up in an area with a lot of Jehovah Witnesses and so half my class did not pledge allegiance, they still stood to avoid reprimand from other class mates but they didn't need to pledge.
Course, after looking at the case again, I think Congress and the Senate need to re-read this quote
[quote=Wiki]"Words uttered under coercion are proof of loyalty to nothing but self-interest," wrote Black and Douglas in a concurring opinion. "Love of country must spring from willing hearts and free minds, inspired by a fair administration of wise laws enacted by the people's elected representatives within the bounds of express constitutional prohibitions."[/quote]
By the way, its 1943, the previous case, Gobitis happened in 1940.
[QUOTE=lope;47802806]The High School in my town lets you decide if you want to pledge, or just sit and mind your own business. Also, I don't think an outrage is necessary for a simple shirt, but this is Memorial Day, when you're supposed to honor those who died trying to protect "that flag," and displaying as such is pretty disrespectful, at least today.[/QUOTE]
Uh, the supreme court decided you can choose if you want to do the pledge. No highschool gets a choice.
I stopped saying the pledge in 10th grade. A substitute teacher yelled at me and this chinese girl for not doing it once.
The chinese girl doesn't know the words, so we both just stayed sitting
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47821766]as stupid as the over-reactions are, you'd be just as stupid to be seen walking around with it during memorial day, veterans day, or any other holiday associated with American history.
if people are this over-reacting online, you'd probably encounter just as many, if not more people, and maybe they'll be more inclined to apply physical harm to you over something so trivial. to be wearing that around those specific days would just be asking for it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47821766]to be wearing that [...] would just be asking for it.[/QUOTE]
Gee, where have I seen that before?
On my states constitution test there's a few questions about disrespecting the flag, and one of them is it being used as clothing.
Strange sometimes, but I don't know what to think tbh
I think that it's pretty low, and excessively edgy, to wear such a shirt on Memorial Day. Moreover, my stances on the (mis)treatment, namely the burning and the desecration, of the USA's flag can best be summarized as the following: I respect one's right to do it, but I do not respect those that do it. It's just a petty shock-tactic, and an inconsiderate one at that. Let them do it, so long as they are braced for lawful counter-statements.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47825462]Uh, the supreme court decided you can choose if you want to do the pledge. No highschool gets a choice.
I stopped saying the pledge in 10th grade. A substitute teacher yelled at me and this chinese girl for not doing it once.
The chinese girl doesn't know the words, so we both just stayed sitting[/QUOTE]
i got a threat of suspension for not standing during the pledge
i didn't say it before, but one day i realized i had work to do so i sat down
if people fly st george's cross when it's not the world cup, most people around my ends assume that they're a racist
it's interesting how there's this really die hard loyalty to America the country that I don't seem to see in England. Anyone who shows patriotism over here tends to be an EDL type, whereas I've known of a fair few Patriotic Americans that didn't harbour any extreme views
I sometimes wonder how much of it is fallout from the cold war and 9/11
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47840523]if people fly st george's cross when it's not the world cup, most people around my ends assume that they're a racist
it's interesting how there's this really die hard loyalty to America the country that I don't seem to see in England. Anyone who shows patriotism over here tends to be an EDL type, whereas I've known of a fair few Patriotic Americans that didn't harbour any extreme views
I sometimes wonder how much of it is fallout from the cold war and 9/11[/QUOTE]
Councils will quite often threaten to evict tenants who have British or English flags as it can offend minorities in the area.
My local council for example, we were almost thrown out for having a Union Jack outside as people called in to complain about their 'racist neighbours'
[QUOTE=NixNax123;47833818]i got a threat of suspension for not standing during the pledge
i didn't say it before, but one day i realized i had work to do so i sat down[/QUOTE]
So glad highschool is over.
Fuck ALLLL that
[QUOTE=Swebonny;47802663]People getting upset about a freaking flag being turned upside down is almost like Muslims getting upset about drawings of Mohammed.[/QUOTE]
Actually no because Mohammed is the only one true prophet and only true god. All others religions are manmade and anyone blind enough to follow them should be stoned to death.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;47825218]And the fact that in general we don't care quite so much about our flags.[/QUOTE]
It's considered somewhat tacky in this country to haphazardly slap the flag over everything, hence you find a lot of those silly hats in blackpool.
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;47844758]Councils will quite often threaten to evict tenants who have British or English flags as it can offend minorities in the area.
My local council for example, we were almost thrown out for having a Union Jack outside as people called in to complain about their 'racist neighbours'[/QUOTE]
That's absurd.
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