Proton-based transistor could let machines communicate with humans
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Why can i imagine my computer going
"MY SCREEN! HES LOOKING AT PORN!"
I want to turn into a combine.
[QUOTE=ironman17;32422480]Augmentations and BCIs are getting closer to reality by the day.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I thought, hnng..
Once that day comes, world with change.
Was thinking about this the other day, rigging up an implant connected to the main nerves running through your arm. Haven't done much research but I figured it was just an electrical current rather than anything specific.
Maybe different for input and output. Could easily make an arm or hand with no feedback responding to mapped nerve inputs, harder to make it feel.
This could heal para/quadraplegics who have damage to the spinal cord
Fuck yes science :dance:
[QUOTE=kaze4159;32424773]This could heal para/quadraplegics who have damage to the spinal cord
Fuck yes science :dance:[/QUOTE]
Yay for Augmentations!
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32425029]Yay for Augmentations![/QUOTE]
My spinal cord is now augmented, proton style.
Oh and I had too.
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And this is posted a few hours after this is
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjAnvIjCUk[/media]
:psylon:
[QUOTE=kaze4159;32425136]And this is posted a few hours after this is
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjAnvIjCUk[/media]
:psylon:[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW78wbN-WuU[/media]
Wow. I'd cut my own arms off just to get bionic replacements that are just as good if not better.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32423815]You want points, then lets do this shit.
First, no one brought up video games except for the single post about Deus Ex and the one about Second Life. No one else even considered it. But more importantly, your implication that it has to do with a game is stupid and baseless, considering people have been writing about this technology for many years, since before Deus Ex was even a concept.
Second, the idea that augmenting your body somehow "dehumanizes you" is stupid and bullshit. What, are people with pacemakers less human than us? What about people with hearing aids, or contact lenses, or the millions of people who have received life-saving surgery? Are they all less human somehow?
And the notion that is simply our biological appearance that makes us really human is also bullshit and ignores all the real factors that make us human, such as our abilities to reason and empathize. What makes someone human goes deeper than flesh.
Third, it will greatly help the medical world by giving it so many new ways to save lives and make them better. It can help cure diseases and prevent serious damage to our bodies, and repair whatever damage we may endure. It will make the lives of every single person better and longer.
Fourth, it will improve our natural abilities and even give us new ones. Our potential both on an individual scale and as a species will expand in ways never before even imagined in our history. We will be able to do things no man has ever been capable of before, and interact with each other in so many new ways. Society will grow and develop more and expand further because of this technology.[/QUOTE]I love how that guy has no counter-argument to your post.
[QUOTE=joost1120;32426482]Wow. I'd cut my own arms off just to get bionic replacements that are just as good if not better.[/QUOTE]
I wouldnt, I would swap an eye for a bionic one, though.
If this means that means i've studied all this shit about electronics just for it to get replaced with protons, heads are going to roll.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;32424633]Why can i imagine my computer going
"MY SCREEN! HES LOOKING AT PORN!"[/QUOTE]
Oh god, now [I]I'm[/I] imagining someone looking at porn, and then the computer going "o h y e s" and pushing the cd drive out?
Or just bringing up porn while your're gone, and when you come back, you find some weird fluid seeping from your keyboard?
Gah why is my imagination so fucked up sometimes
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32423815]You want points, then lets do this shit.
First, no one brought up video games except for the single post about Deus Ex and the one about Second Life. No one else even considered it. But more importantly, your implication that it has to do with a game is stupid and baseless, considering people have been writing about this technology for many years, since before Deus Ex was even a concept.
Second, the idea that augmenting your body somehow "dehumanizes you" is stupid and bullshit. What, are people with pacemakers less human than us? What about people with hearing aids, or contact lenses, or the millions of people who have received life-saving surgery? Are they all less human somehow?
And the notion that is simply our biological appearance that makes us really human is also bullshit and ignores all the real factors that make us human, such as our abilities to reason and empathize. What makes someone human goes deeper than flesh.
Third, it will greatly help the medical world by giving it so many new ways to save lives and make them better. It can help cure diseases and prevent serious damage to our bodies, and repair whatever damage we may endure. It will make the lives of every single person better and longer.
Fourth, it will improve our natural abilities and even give us new ones. Our potential both on an individual scale and as a species will expand in ways never before even imagined in our history. We will be able to do things no man has ever been capable of before, and interact with each other in so many new ways. Society will grow and develop more and expand further because of this technology.[/QUOTE]
I love you.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32427238]I wouldnt, I would swap an eye for a bionic one, though.[/QUOTE]
Why not? If it's as good or better, then it has all the things a real one has and even more, plus it's badass and can't be hurt.
[QUOTE=joost1120;32427701]Why not? If it's as good or better, then it has all the things a real one has and even more, plus it's badass and can't be hurt.[/QUOTE]
If they cant make a battery which will keep my smartphone running longer than a day, just how will they manage a robotic arm that needs to run every day?
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32427940]If they cant make a battery which will keep my smartphone running longer than a day, just how will they manage a robotic arm that needs to run every day?[/QUOTE]
I'll just hope that one day, they'll be able to use stored fat from a human as energy.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UpxsrlLbpU[/url] This combined with implants would be fucking awesome.
[QUOTE=joost1120;32426482]Wow. I'd cut my own arms off just to get bionic replacements that are just as good if not better.[/QUOTE]
And then watch as your flesh would reject the 'superior' augmentations.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;32428455]And then watch as your flesh would reject the 'superior' augmentations.[/QUOTE]
And then watch as humaity finds a solution to that
[QUOTE=Joazzz;32428455]And then watch as your flesh would reject the 'superior' augmentations.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure your body will not reject Aluminium, it's what most implants are already made out of.
INB4 someone in Asia marries a bionically connected toaster.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;32428455]And then watch as your flesh would reject the 'superior' augmentations.[/QUOTE]
You know there are ways to prevent rejection right?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32423815]You want points, then lets do this shit.
First, no one brought up video games except for the single post about Deus Ex and the one about Second Life. No one else even considered it. But more importantly, your implication that it has to do with a game is stupid and baseless, considering people have been writing about this technology for many years, since before Deus Ex was even a concept.[/quote]
The word hasn't even been brought up on facepunch until Deus Ex came out. I guarantee about 90% of the pathetic little "I'D CUT MY OWN ARMS OFF TO BE A ROBOT BRO" people didn't even know what the fuck transhumanism was until Deus Ex came out. If you're SO certain that is impossible than you need to take a look at the demographics of this website, and do a little searching. The amount of people who brought up transhumanism before on this site is probably a handful, now it's absolutely everywhere. Of course you could say it just generated conversation, but then again, Deus Ex didn't really drive me personally to want a world like that. I'm not exactly excited to jump into a world where I need computers implanted into my head in order to enjoy life. This is just hedonism, instead of an obsession with electronic items, you're shoving them into your body. Hedonism destroys societies, the United States has a culture obsessed with itself and its material objects, it's a society loving itself to death. It won't stop at replacing your spine and adding a more advanced pacemaker. If you honestly think, with a hedonist culture, it's not going to get WORSE, then you don't fucking understand modern society.
Going on the whole "WE TRANSHUMANISTS" and the fanatical way you defend it, plus the general blind support for it is just another childish phase from people like you. It's like a cult now.
[quote]Second, the idea that augmenting your body somehow "dehumanizes you" is stupid and bullshit. What, are people with pacemakers less human than us? What about people with hearing aids, or contact lenses, or the millions of people who have received life-saving surgery? Are they all less human somehow?[/quote]
Those aren't 'augmentations'. Then again, it depends on what you define augmentation as. From what I define it as, it's something enhance. Pacemakers don't enhance, they maintain. It's like a nicotine patch, it doesn't prevent you from smoking, it just helps in quitting.
With a pacemaker, it's not the device that matters, you can't just look at a piece of electronics and go "THIS IS THE TRANSHUMANISM", it's the electricity. It's a defibrillator.
Now, regarding the pacemaker, if you're implying that's something transhumanists came up with, then you're dead wrong. Shit, it first started in 1899. Now, if you're implying the idea is similar, than again, you're dead fucking wrong. The process of implanting a device to keep you alive or at least moving, which btw could be done externally, was developed to protect people with weak hearts. There is a SEVERE difference in what Julian Huxley preached and what William Weirich did.
Of course there will be need to have things like pacemakers or contacts like that, but if you think it's part of Transhumanism, that's not exactly where transhumanism stops, now does it? You wouldn't be arguing about it if you didn't think so.
Society has improved medical science without the need of anything the transhumanists ever came up with. They have done nothing for society except make it hope it becomes more machine than man. There are certain things medical advancements can do to improve the body and its longevity. The life expectancy has climbed up to at most 90 years, back from only about 40 not even a 100 years ago. In healthy societies with good medical technology and care, it's rising every day. Iceland, Japan, France, all these countries are raising because they provide good healthcare. It's not loading our bodies up with computers that'll maintain our health, it's treating eachother. Caring for our fellow man, developing vaccines, medicine, and types of care. Improving machines to maintain and cure diseases.
If you can show me a machine that cures cancer or AIDS or other diseases like that, than I'll budge on transhumanism effecting medical science.
[quote]And the notion that is simply our biological appearance that makes us really human is also bullshit and ignores all the real factors that make us human, such as our abilities to reason and empathize. What makes someone human goes deeper than flesh.[/quote]
The more obsessed we get with technology, the more we drill holes in ourselves and remove the way we communicate with other people, this is hedonism. THIS changes what we are. It's not the flesh, it's humanity. It'll radically change our culture for the far worse. Lets look at how cultures are run in certain countries, like Norway or Iceland. The UK and France included, they're not perfect, hell things are pretty bad there right now. But the culture is a good one, it's a culture that doesn't abandon their fellow man, money goes into the NHS, the French MHS, etc. Now medical science isn't the only thing transhumanism effects. It effects the use of technology, which is already expanding at a high rate. Higher than I'd like personally, but I can't stop it, and really I wouldn't. Innovation drives humans, with our without augmentations.
You seem to be under this impression that transhumanism is a cure all. Cures all ills, projectiles us into the future, maintains a good and healthy altruistic culture, will do all these goods (btw, if you don't think so, you have no fucking right to tell me transhumanism is a good thing and is something I MUST like). But it seems to me, without transhumanism, humanity seems to be getting by.
You don't seem to understand what transhumanism is yourself. Transhumanism is defined about changing the human condition, everything from psychology to medical science. It's fucking culture, boy. Transhumanists want to change the culture. It's a recurring theme in every single blog, magazine, article thumping this bullshit. H+ has said on many occasions, that changing the "human condition" is what they support. Instead of drooling over the prospect of "improving parts of your body", you ever sit down to think what that actually means?
[quote]Third, it will greatly help the medical world by giving it so many new ways to save lives and make them better. It can help cure diseases and prevent serious damage to our bodies, and repair whatever damage we may endure. It will make the lives of every single person better and longer.[/quote]
Again, those means, though not perfect, are improving and are there. If humans can do silly augmentations, we can find a cure for diseases. Link me to an article, or explain if you will, one disease that can be cured with the use of augmentation, and don't give me that silly pacemaker shit like before, something a transhumanist really came up with.
Okay, making yourself a cookie cutter machine? I can see the appeal to that, and honestly I have no argument against that. Making your leg bionic, then breaking it, then easily replacing it? Sure, why not, it could work. What I'm saying is, why make it bionic in the first place. I'd much rather have my human leg, then a steel one basked in wires. But that's personal preference, I'm just saying it's unneeded as we're developing artificial legs for people who lost theirs already.
[quote]Fourth, it will improve our natural abilities and even give us new ones. Our potential both on an individual scale and as a species will expand in ways never before even imagined in our history. We will be able to do things no man has ever been capable of before, and interact with each other in so many new ways. Society will grow and develop more and expand further because of this technology.[/QUOTE]
You spin a very nice yarn, but most of it is unexplained and honestly, if tried, could fall flat on its face - you haven't given any detail about anything. No types of diseases that would be cured, no types of abilities that would be improved, etc.
but why? Is what I ask, why improve on abilities humans already have. We run fast, we have stamina, intelligence, finesse, creativity, innovation, altruism. All these things humans do. Society is fine really at the level it is with our abilities. We have the ability to live long healthy lives, showcase our amazing talents
Look up anything, an art piece, music, cinematography, the millions of little skills we all have, and you want to say that's imperfect? What the fuck else do you want humans to do?
Examine the negative effects of transhumanism. There's a shit load. The Military will REALLY want their hands on that technology, people WILL become obsessed with technology, we will lose sight of our natural abilities, I severely doubt altruism will increase if not decrease, and Hedonism will become even more omnipresent.
We're not perfect, but god damn do we have some amazing talent and amazing features. You'll have greedy people, you'll have murder, you'll have all sorts of fucked up things humans have convinced themselves that it's a good idea to do, with or without you silly transhumanists. But I'd much rather maintain our humanity if we gotta deal with that.
To me, misanthropists like you are just too deathly afraid of dying and are insecure. So you want to shove as many computers into your body as possible.
You have ZERO faith in the human condition, you have zero reliance on your fellow man and want to destroy that. I like being human, I like having bones, flesh, muscle. Admiring the beauty and talents of my fellow humans, I like having all that. So yeah, I know alot about about transhumanism, I know a lot about it because I don't like it. I don't religion, but I have piles of religious text I've analysed. I don't conservatives, but I buy their books and talk to them to get an idea of what they are, I fucking hate guns but know a lot about them. Truthfully, I know just as much about what I dislike than what I like.
You on the other hand have some research to do, go, get me some examples. I want to see some ultra-JulianHuxley style cancer curing augment. All I've seen in terms of solving individual problems is a lot of "OH IT'LL SOLVE IT, JUST YOU WAIT". I want solutions, not promises.
[QUOTE=Killer900;32427111]I love how that guy has no counter-argument to your post.[/QUOTE]
There's this thing called day-night cycles. Maybe you've heard of it.
Also, it appears I actually have a counter-argument. Aw, poor baby, did I ruin your little fantasy world?
[quote]If you can show me a machine that cures cancer [/quote]
are you literally retarded
have you never heard of a gamma knife
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiosurgery#Gamma_knife[/URL]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/LoYpX.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]The word hasn't even been brought up on facepunch until Deus Ex came out. I guarantee about 90% of the pathetic little "I'D CUT MY OWN ARMS OFF TO BE A ROBOT BRO" people didn't even know what the fuck transhumanism was until Deus Ex came out. If you're SO certain that is impossible than you need to take a look at the demographics of this website, and do a little searching. The amount of people who brought up transhumanism before on this site is probably a handful, now it's absolutely everywhere. Of course you could say it just generated conversation, but then again, Deus Ex didn't really drive me personally to want a world like that. I'm not exactly excited to jump into a world where I need computers implanted into my head in order to enjoy life. This is just hedonism, instead of an obsession with electronic items, you're shoving them into your body. Hedomism destroys societies, the United States has a culture obsessed with itself and its material objects, it's a society loving itself to death. It won't stop at replacing your spine and adding a more advanced pacemaker. If you honestly think, with a hedonist culture, it's not going to get WORSE, then you don't fucking understand modern society.[/QUOTE]
Hedonism is poking at the accumbens nucleus until somebody has to unplug you because you're a walking mass of shit. Self-improvement is not hedonism, but it can come with its little bits of pleasure here and there.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]Going on the whole "WE TRANSHUMANISTS" and the fanatical way you defend it, plus the general blind support for it is just another childish phase from people like you. It's like a cult now. [/QUOTE]
Oh please. There aren't that many transhumanists, and just thank that these new transhumanists are focusing on near-term technology and not the Singularity stuff. Honestly, if anything, Deus Ex revived the transhumanist movement.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]Those aren't 'augmentations'. Then again, it depends on what you define augmentation as. From what I define it as, it's something enhance. Pacemakers don't enhance, they maintain. It's like a nicotine patch, it doesn't prevent you from smoking, it just helps in quitting.
[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's nice. Except that these are, you know, augmentations. Nobody mentioned anything about maintenance, they aren't meant for maintenance. They are inherently better. So yes, they are augmentations.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]With a pacemaker, it's not the device that matters, you can't just look at a piece of electronics and go "THIS IS THE TRANSHUMANISM", it's the electricity. It's a defibrillator.[/QUOTE]
What is this supposed to mean?
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]Now, regarding the pacemaker, if you're implying that's something transhumanists came up with, then you're dead wrong. Shit, it first started in 1899. Now, if you're implying the idea is similar, than again, you're dead fucking wrong. The process of implanting a device to keep you alive or at least moving, which btw could be done externally, was developed to protect people with weak hearts. There is a SEVERE difference in what Julian Huxley preached and what William Weirich did.[/QUOTE]
OH MY GOD WHO THE HELL CARES
Nobody implied transhumanists were behind all of these inventions, Jesus.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]Of course there will be need to have things like pacemakers or contacts like that, but if you think it's part of Transhumanism, that's not exactly where transhumanism stops, now does it? You wouldn't be arguing about it if you didn't think so. [/QUOTE]
Ok.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]Society has improved medical science without the need of anything the transhumanists ever came up with. They have done nothing for society except make it hope it becomes more machine than man. There are certain things medical advancements can do to improve the body and its longevity. The life expectancy has climbed up to at most 90 years, back from only about 40 not even a 100 years ago. In healthy societies with good medical technology and care, it's rising every day. Iceland, Japan, France, all these countries are raising because they provide good healthcare. It's not loading our bodies up with computers that'll maintain our health, it's treating eachother. Caring for our fellow man, developing vaccines, medicine, and types of care. Improving machines to maintain and cure diseases.
If you can show me a machine that cures cancer or AIDS or other diseases like that, than I'll budge on transhumanism effecting medical science. [/QUOTE]
So if a transhumanist didn't invent it, then it can't be used for transhumanism? Alright.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]The more obsessed we get with technology, the more we drill holes in ourselves and remove the way we communicate with other people, this is hedonism. THIS changes what we are. It's not the flesh, it's humanity. It'll radically change our culture for the far worse. Lets look at how cultures are run in certain countries, like Norway or Iceland. The UK and France included, they're not perfect, hell things are pretty bad there right now. But the culture is a good one, it's a culture that doesn't abandon their fellow man, money goes into the NHS, the French MHS, etc. Now medical science isn't the only thing transhumanism effects. It effects the use of technology, which is already expanding at a high rate. Higher than I'd like personally, but I can't stop it, and really I wouldn't. Innovation drives humans, with our without augmentations. [/QUOTE]
Durn transhumans tampering with the fabric of who we are.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]You seem to be under this impression that transhumanism is a cure all. Cures all ills, projectiles us into the future, maintains a good and healthy altruistic culture, will do all these goods (btw, if you don't think so, you have no fucking right to tell me transhumanism is a good thing and is something I MUST like). But it seems to me, without transhumanism, humanity seems to be getting by.[/QUOTE]
Define 'transhumanism'. If a guy gets all his limbs replaced with superior augmentations, and doesn't call himself a transhumanist for whatever reason, it's not transhumanism? A person can be X even if they don't admit to. It's not like a cult you have to sign up for.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]You don't seem to understand what transhumanism is yourself. Transhumanism is defined about changing the human condition, everything from psychology to medical science. It's fucking culture, boy. Transhumanists want to change the culture. It's a recurring theme in every single blog, magazine, article thumping this bullshit. H+ has said on many occasions, that changing the "human condition" is what they support. Instead of drooling over the prospect of "improving parts of your body", you ever sit down to think what that actually means?[/QUOTE]
Where is the line - Or, better, why do you bother drawing a line - between changing our bodies and changing our 'selves'? I'm sorry, I can't subscribe to a dualistic view where people are mechas and their 'selves' are some ineffable else.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]Again, those means, though not perfect, are improving and are there. If humans can do silly augmentations, we can find a cure for diseases. Link me to an article, or explain if you will, one disease that can be cured with the use of augmentation, and don't give me that silly pacemaker shit like before, something a transhumanist really came up with.
Okay, making yourself a cookie cutter machine? I can see the appeal to that, and honestly I have no argument against that. Making your leg bionic, then breaking it, then easily replacing it? Sure, why not, it could work. What I'm saying is, why make it bionic in the first place. I'd much rather have my human leg, then a steel one basked in wires. But that's personal preference, I'm just saying it's unneeded as we're developing artificial legs for people who lost theirs already.[/QUOTE]
Of course. It's a personal preference.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]You spin a very nice yarn, but most of it is unexplained and honestly, if tried, could fall flat on its face - you haven't given any detail about anything. No types of diseases that would be cured, no types of abilities that would be improved, etc.
but why? Is what I ask, why improve on abilities humans already have. We run fast, we have stamina, intelligence, finesse, creativity, innovation, altruism. All these things humans do. Society is fine really at the level it is with our abilities. We have the ability to live long healthy lives, showcase our amazing talents
Look up anything, an art piece, music, cinematography, the millions of little skills we all have, and you want to say that's imperfect? What the fuck else do you want humans to do?[/QUOTE]
Do you remember the first time you were in front of a computer? For the people like us, who willingly give up our humanity one piece at at time, a first taste of the Ambrosia is all it takes.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]Examine the negative effects of transhumanism. There's a shit load. The Military will REALLY want their hands on that technology, people WILL become obsessed with technology, we will lose sight of our natural abilities, I severely doubt altruism will increase if not decrease, and Hedonism will become even more omnipresent.[/QUOTE]
People can still use augmentations to help people.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433302]We're not perfect, but god damn do we have some amazing talent and amazing features. You'll have greedy people, you'll have murder, you'll have all sorts of fucked up things humans have convinced themselves that it's a good idea to do, with or without you silly transhumanists. But I'd much rather maintain our humanity if we gotta deal with that.
To me, misanthropists like you are just too deathly afraid of dying and are insecure. So you want to shove as many computers into your body as possible.
You have ZERO faith in the human condition, you have zero reliance on your fellow man and want to destroy that. I like being human, I like having bones, flesh, muscle. Admiring the beauty and talents of my fellow humans, I like having all that. So yeah, I know alot about about transhumanism, I know a lot about it because I don't like it. I don't religion, but I have piles of religious text I've analysed. I don't conservatives, but I buy their books and talk to them to get an idea of what they are, I fucking hate guns but know a lot about them. Truthfully, I know just as much about what I dislike than what I like.
You on the other hand have some research to do, go, get me some examples. I want to see some ultra-JulianHuxley style cancer curing augment. All I've seen in terms of solving individual problems is a lot of "OH IT'LL SOLVE IT, JUST YOU WAIT". I want solutions, not promises.[/QUOTE]
Blah blah blah them transhumanists hate their bodies blah blah. There is a difference between a body dysmorphia and transhumanism.
Okay, few things:
1 - I said Cancer, not brain tumours. Now, [i]Cancerous[/i] brain tumours? Yes, it can treat them but malignant tumours are not 100% certain to go away.
2 - Everything above doesn't matter in the slightest because it's irrelevant to transhumanism.
[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32433999]Okay, few things:
1 - I said Cancer, not brain tumours. Now, [i]Cancerous[/i] brain tumours? Yes, it can treat them but malignant tumours are not 100% certain to go away.
2 - Everything above doesn't matter in the slightest because it's irrelevant to transhumanism.[/QUOTE]
1. you wanted a machine that cures cancer
I gave you a machine that cures cancer
fukka u
2. so why was it even in your argument against transhumanism
[QUOTE=joost1120;32426482]Wow. I'd cut my own arms off just to get bionic replacements that are just as good if not better.[/QUOTE]
100% positive that you arent going to enjoy masturbating with a bionic hand
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