A truck ploughs through Christmas market in Berlin
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[QUOTE=Strontboer;51553383]At what terrorist-attack interval do we admit that there's a massive fucking problem?
Once a month, a week,
once a day?[/QUOTE]
We cant do that, it would be racist and xenophobic.
[QUOTE=PulseFrog;51553422]This is terrible.
My condolences go to the families and loved ones of the people who died.
I hope the injured recover soon,
There is a huge difference between expressing communist or nazi opinions and then carrying out a FUCKING ATTACK!!
I don't see them anywhere.
Stop criticizing Christianity for no reason.[/QUOTE]
He didn't talk about getting kicked out when you commit a terrorist attack
[QUOTE=Zabainya;51552921]There is no place for huge majority of traits from Islamic/MENA culture in Europe, either accept our freedoms and values or get the fuck out.[/QUOTE]
People should be kicked out when they merely do not share 'our freedoms and values', according to him. Neo-nazis and communists do not accept our freedoms and values, therefore, we gotta kick 'em out.
Also neo-nazis actually are a big problem in eastern Germany.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;51553383]At what terrorist-attack interval do we admit that there's a massive fucking problem?
Once a month, a week,
once a day?[/QUOTE]
It's interesting that some prefer to call out others for xenophobia or jumping to conclusions before condemning the murder of at least 9 people.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51553436]See original post:
It isnt about attacks, it isnt even about expressing solid opinions, it is about a vague idea of a culture that MENA people happen to all possess somehow.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;51553445]He didn't talk about getting kicked out when you commit a terrorist attack
People should be kicked out when they merely do not share 'our freedoms and values', according to him. Neo-nazis and communist do not accept our freedoms and values, therefore, we gotta kick 'em out.
Also neo-nazis actually are a big problem in eastern Germany.[/QUOTE]
All right, I see your point.
I'm sorry for overreacting and misunderstanding the original post.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51553452]It's interesting that some prefer to call out others for xenophobia or jumping to conclusions before condemning the murder of at least 9 people.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because people are tired of hearing about innocent lives being fucking ruined because of lunatics like these?
[QUOTE=Advisor;51553444]We cant do that, it would be racist and xenophobic.[/QUOTE]
What do you propose we do? Let brown people drown in the Mediterranean? Send them all back to Greece who already is up shit creak? Send them back to Syria where they are fleeing bombs and summary executions? Send them to Siberia? Put crescents on all of their coats to identify them?
If there was a simple easy answer don't you think somebody would have tried it by now? We get that you hate Muslims but that doesn't make them exist any less. They have to go somewhere and screaming about governments being to PeeCee isn't doing much to change that. This is the exact same rhetoric that Americans used to talk about Jews fleeing Europe. Where is the humanity in leaving refugees and migrants out to starve?
While its extremely unfortunate 9 lives were lost, more could had been taken had things happened like what happened in Nice. A fuckton of people died when the truck ran through.
I feel that the step up in security helped.
I'm guessing that after trucks are becoming increasingly popular as weapons, more anti vehicle barricades will be set up in the future.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51553452]It's interesting that some prefer to call out others for xenophobia or jumping to conclusions before condemning the murder of at least 9 people.[/QUOTE]
I think it speaks for itself that people here are condemning it. You don't have to constantly say you condemn something, I mean come on. Do you really think anyone here applauds this guy for driving into a bunch of innocent people?
I don't think anybody here has called anyone here xenophobic either
here's a thing I've noticed with a lot of anti-immigration people: when you disagree with their anti-immigration opinion they just say they're being shut down by being branded 'xenophobes' or something
no ur not
stop jerking each other off like 'EGH AREN'T WE PERSECUTED EGH'
you're not persecuted. Many people on this forum share your views
[URL="https://archive.is/oXNWK"]Police say the reason behind the incident is still not completely confirmed, but the situation is safe now.[/URL]
(This is normal here. Unlike in the US for example, it usually takes a day for police to make any substantial statements at all.)
[B]Facebook activated the safety check feature[/B], so if you're in the area consider setting your status.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;51553383]At what terrorist-attack interval do we admit that there's a massive fucking problem?
Once a month, a week,
once a day?[/QUOTE]
Never, its racist to even suggest there's a problem. At least there's some free accommodation for the next truckload of doctors and engineers to stay in now.
Who is denying the massive problem of terrorist attacks anyways?
At this point in the year all I'm wondering is how Charlie Brooker is going to cover every tragedy this year in 60 minutes
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51553313]It doesnt exactly take a village to buy a gun, find a parked lorry, hijack it and drive it around, does it?[/QUOTE]
Get real man, Islamist extremist don't have the cleanest record when it comes to europe the last couple of years.
[QUOTE=Dolton;51553480]What do you propose we do? Let brown people drown in the Mediterranean? Send them all back to Greece who already is up shit creak? Send them back to Syria where they are fleeing bombs and summary executions? Send them to Siberia? Put crescents on all of their coats to identify them?
If there was a simple easy answer don't you think somebody would have tried it by now? We get that you hate Muslims but that doesn't make them exist any less. They have to go somewhere and screaming about governments being to PeeCee isn't doing much to change that. This is the exact same rhetoric that Americans used to talk about Jews fleeing Europe. Where is the humanity in leaving refugees and migrants out to starve?[/QUOTE]
The situation is a little more nuanced this time i'd say. Jews were persecuted back in the day as sort of a passtime brought on by a long, almost religious tradition of antisemitism.
Muslims are persecuted because islamist Extremists are out in the streets killing people. Frankly that's a good reason to be skeptical of islamists. Not skeptical of Muslims mind you- But people who say that their political motivation is to establish an islamic government. That shit should be just as frowned upon as anyone who says they're a Nazi. And would be a great foundation on which to set up a case for expulsion from a given country. It's going to be time to choose i think; Islamism or living in the west. You cant have both.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;51553383]At what terrorist-attack interval do we admit that there's a massive fucking problem?
Once a month, a week,
once a day?[/QUOTE]
Well we can't do that, that would be intolerant.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51553584]Well we can't do that, that would be intolerant.[/QUOTE]
Gotta be tolerant towards the absolutely most intolerant.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51553584]Well we can't do that, that would be intolerant.[/QUOTE]
Where are you finding all these people saying terrorist attacks aren't a problem? I haven't seen it at all
[QUOTE=Dolton;51553480]What do you propose we do? Let brown people drown in the Mediterranean? Send them all back to Greece who already is up shit creak? Send them back to Syria where they are fleeing bombs and summary executions? Send them to Siberia? Put crescents on all of their coats to identify them?
If there was a simple easy answer don't you think somebody would have tried it by now? [I]We get that you hate Muslims[/I] but that doesn't make them exist any less. They have to go somewhere and screaming about governments being to PeeCee isn't doing much to change that. This is the exact same rhetoric that Americans used to talk about Jews fleeing Europe. Where is the humanity in leaving refugees and migrants out to starve?[/QUOTE]
yeah that's totally what this is about. we hate people because their skin is slightly darker, it has nothing to do with the often occurring terrorist attacks happening all over europe.
sorry mate, humanity is great and all, but if it comes to our safety and their safety, we should be the priority as far as our governments are concerned.
[editline]19th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cyberdan;51553600]Where are you finding all these people saying terrorist attacks aren't a problem? I haven't seen it at all[/QUOTE]
Oh no, people aren't denying the problem. People are denying [I]the root[/I] of the problem.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;51553570]At this point in the year all I'm wondering is how Charlie Brooker is going to cover every tragedy this year in 60 minutes[/QUOTE]
An hour of him screaming uncontrollably.
[QUOTE=St33m;51553582]The situation is a little more nuanced this time i'd say. Jews were persecuted back in the day as sort of a passtime brought on by a long, almost religious tradition of antisemitism.
Muslims are persecuted because islamist Extremists are out in the streets killing people. Frankly that's a good reason to be skeptical of islamists. Not skeptical of Muslims mind you- But people who say that their political motivation is to establish an islamic government. That shit should be just as frowned upon as anyone who says they're a Nazi. And would be a great foundation on which to set up a case for expulsion from a given country. It's going to be time to choose i think; Islamism or living in the west. You cant have both.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but this is something that is already being taken care of by the government here.
Germany is monitoring islamists, recently outlawed a religious organisation due to this stuff, and for the most part is pretty adept at foiling terrorist attacks before they are put into action.
[editline]20th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=SirJon;51553604]Oh no, people aren't denying the problem. People are denying [I]the root[/I] of the problem.[/QUOTE]
I still don't see it. Can you point it out for me?
[QUOTE=Tamschi;51553617]
I still don't see it. Can you point it out for me?[/QUOTE]
Don't play dumb man.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51553634]Don't play dumb man.[/QUOTE]
Can you do it or can you not?
[QUOTE=SirJon;51553604]Oh no, people aren't denying the problem. People are denying [I]the root[/I] of the problem.[/QUOTE]
like how the west and east have spent decades meddling in the Middle East creating enemies everywhere resulting in countless terrorist attacks and how the Western citizens cling on to the media despite claiming it untrustworthy thinking Islam is the problem when it's just a indoctrination tool for these middle eastern terrorist groups and if it didn't even exist, these attacks would anyway because it's a more complex issue than that?
I guess
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51553597]Gotta be tolerant towards the absolutely most intolerant.[/QUOTE]
Remember when tolerance was supposed to be a two-way street? I do, but apparently that isn't politically correct to think anymore. In the current times, it seems that being tolerant is a contest on who can be used as a doormat to the most intolerant people you can think of the quickest.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51553597]Gotta be tolerant towards the absolutely most intolerant.[/QUOTE]
again: how is this not rhetoric you could use against neo-nazis and white supremacist groups in general? why are you so vocal about intolerance and yet rarely condemn those groups? why aren't you making 5 threads a week about what random nazis did somewhere, like you do with muslims?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51553645]like how the west and east have spent decades meddling in the Middle East creating enemies everywhere resulting in countless terrorist attacks and how the Western citizens cling on to the media despite claiming it untrustworthy thinking Islam is the problem when it's just a indoctrination tool for these middle eastern terrorist groups and if it didn't even exist, these attacks would anyway because it's a more complex issue than that?
I guess[/QUOTE]
damn you're right, those 9 Christmas fair visitors deserve what they got
seriously though, these terrorist attacks would not happen if not for extremist islam, let's not kid ourselves. as you said, it's an indoctrination tool. that's the problem. no point denying it.
Honestly from what I've seen most people (even on the left) are fine with the fact that the attacks are associated with Islam in some form: the part they would claim is intolerant is treating every Muslim as a potential terrorist, when it is clearly a minority that do these things
[QUOTE=PulseFrog;51553422]
I don't see them anywhere.
Stop criticizing Christianity for no reason.[/QUOTE]
I'm not? What the fuck are you smoking?
[QUOTE=Jordax;51553654]Remember when tolerance was supposed to be a two-way street? I do, but apparently that isn't politically correct to think anymore. In the current times, it seems that being tolerant is a contest on who can be used as a doormat to the most intolerant people you can think of the quickest.[/QUOTE]
Well, again, we'd have to get rid of nazi parties
Would you agree that this should happen too, then? At least your views would be consistent, if so.
Also: [QUOTE]stop jerking each other off like 'EGH AREN'T WE PERSECUTED EGH'
you're not persecuted. Many people on this forum share your views[/QUOTE]
Religion of peace strikes again
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