• A truck ploughs through Christmas market in Berlin
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[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51558641]If you actually care about the spread of radical Islamism then instead of bitching about Muslims and refugees you could propose productive solutions, like writing your politicians to pressure the US to stop selling billions of dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia and drone striking several countries and killing innocent people.[/QUOTE] And increases taxes and reduce budgets for public services as a result of this lack of income? people (leftists included) would never agree to that. Much easier to ignore the problem and call the right every time they bring up a solution which doesn't involve feeding the fire (which invertably does feed the fire,thanks to inactions and the rightists)
[QUOTE=Overhauser;51558445]Is there any connection that they actually did it ? Not asking this in a "i doubt this" way, really just asking for a connection other than a terror organization embracing free PR.[/QUOTE] IS Will take responsibility to anything that happens in the West even if they have nothing to do with it. It's very easy to spread fear this way.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51558641]If you actually care about the spread of radical Islamism then instead of bitching about Muslims and refugees you could propose productive solutions, like writing your politicians to pressure the US to stop selling billions of dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia and drone striking several countries and killing innocent people.[/QUOTE] A first attempt: [URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1545358[/URL]
[QUOTE=Ishwoo;51559447][B]And increases taxes and reduce budgets for public services as a result of this lack of income?[/B] people (leftists included) would never agree to that. Much easier to ignore the problem and call the right every time they bring up a solution which doesn't involve feeding the fire (which invertably does feed the fire,thanks to inactions and the rightists)[/QUOTE] Tax the rich, feed the poor.
Worldwide it appears that Islamists and Communists are carrying out the most attacks according to this study. [t]https://s29.postimg.org/xfw0k0c53/STATSS.png[/t] [url]https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm[/url]
What's surreal is that we've been on that square about three weeks ago now. Comes to show what can happen in such a short timespan
[url]http://live.reuters.com/Event/Truck_plows_into_Berlin_Christmas_market_2[/url] Apparently they got him. [QUOTE] Berlin market attack suspect killed in shootout in Italy: security source A man believed to be the suspect in the Berlin Christmas market truck attack was killed in a shoot-out in a suburb of the northern Italian city of Milan on Friday, a security source told Reuters. The Italian interior minister will hold a news conference at 10.45 a.m. (0945 GMT), the ministry said.[/QUOTE]
Wish they caught him alive. There is always someone convincing enough to squeeze some information out of those bastards
[QUOTE=Tamschi;51558449]I think it might be a a third-party graph compiled from the original tables, judging by the legend, or maybe it's from some other supplementary document. There's a note on page 118 of the file you linked that says the Polizeiliche Kriminalstatistik ['the police's crime statistic', roughly] doesn't really track politically motivated violence ("Politisch motivierte Kriminalität (PMK)"), though, and I couldn't find the graph's categories in the tables via [I]ctrl+f[/I]. I definitely agree with you on the overall problem. There are far too many people who will turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff when acknowledging its existence doesn't suit them, even if they aren't really extremists themselves. (This really goes for all these categories in my opinion, whether they harm others directly or not. There are easily enough channels that let people broadcast their opinions effectively and efficiently without causing damage.)[/QUOTE] Shit, I thought it was in that document. Actually it was in the Verfassungsschutzbericht 2015 Here's the link [url]https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/download/vsbericht-2015.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;51572736]Shit, I thought it was in that document. Actually it was in the Verfassungsschutzbericht 2015 Here's the link [url]https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/download/vsbericht-2015.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks for still getting back to me about this! I found the graphs on the pages 32 and 27 respectively, and an overview of the relevant crimes on each previous page: [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5013896/forum/Facepunch/Sensationalist%20Headlines/12.2016/FoxitReader_2016-12-23_22-00-32.png[/img][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5013896/forum/Facepunch/Sensationalist%20Headlines/12.2016/FoxitReader_2016-12-23_22-01-35.png[/img] It looks like the reason that destruction of property seems to have been counted is that some of these violence charges make no immediate distinction regarding whether people were hurt or not. [The (rough) translations of the table headers: [quote]linksextremistisch motivierte Straftaten - crimes with left-wing extremist motivation Straftaten mit rechtsextremistisch motiviertem Hintergrund - crimes with right-wing extremistically motivated background Gewalttaten - violent incidents Tötungsdelikte - homicides versuchte Tötungsdelikte - attempted homicides Körperverletzungen - assaults Brandstiftungen - arson incidents Herbeiführen einer Sprengstoffexplosion - causing an (explosives) explosion Landfriedensbruch - breach of the peace [according to the Wikipedia page link. The actual charge is for active participation in group violence against people or things here.] gefährliche Eingriffe in den Bahn-, Luft-, Schiffs- und Straßenverkehr - dangerous infractions in train, air, ship and road traffic Freiheitsberaubung - unlawful imprisonment [I think] Raub - robbery Erpressung - extortion Widerstandsdelikte - resistance offences Sexualdelikte - sexual offences gesamt - [here:] total Sachbeschädigungen - destructions of property Nötigung/Bedrohung - threats Propagandadelikte - propaganda offences Störung der Totenruhe - violation of graves andere Straftaten - other crimes andere Straftaten, insbesondere Volksverhetzung - other crimes, especially hate speech Straftaten insgesamt - crimes in total[/quote]] All in all I think it depends on how you weigh the different crimes against each other. If we wanted to compared 'which side is worse', the most objective way I can think of right now (that's relatively feasible, at least) would be to sum up the punishment ranges. Personally I think that's still a bit too much effort in the context of this particular thread, though. The document as a whole looks pretty interesting [since it also contains a lot of explanatory text]. I'll probably give it a read later.
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