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[QUOTE=Marc Laidlaw;46914208]The people saying W8 is good have clearly never used the technical preview. Going from that back to 8 is like going from 7 to XP. It isn't even that much different, there are just so many little things about 8 that make it a chore to use.[/QUOTE] i'm confused what are you talking about do you mean w10 tech preview?? considering it's not even at consumer preview there's of course going to be little things
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;46914294]i'm confused what are you talking about do you mean w10 tech preview?? considering it's not even at consumer preview there's of course going to be little things[/QUOTE] I'm saying the W10 preview makes 8 seem like poop. Which wasn't hard.
A month or so ago I had to activate Windows 7 after we got a new hdd. The activation code for the OS wasn't working for some reason so I had to call a number and activate it via an automated Microsoft phone service. Is that sort of thing still available, or would I just have been fucked if we had gotten the new hdd a month later?
[QUOTE=Marc Laidlaw;46914106]i switched to it a few weeks ago and now im constantly using 7 out of 8GB of my RAM even when i dont have anything open get windows 8 they said its better they said[/QUOTE] Unused ram is wasted ram, Windows manages ram in such a way that it appears to be in use a lot of the time even when it is not.
[QUOTE=Jsm;46914321]Unused ram is wasted ram, Windows manages ram in such a way that it appears to be in use a lot of the time even when it is not.[/QUOTE] but then [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46914270]I generally sit at around 2.5/8GB[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Marc Laidlaw;46914106]i switched to it a few weeks ago and now im constantly using 7 out of 8GB of my RAM even when i dont have anything open get windows 8 they said its better they said[/QUOTE] Then you must be pretty bad, because Windows 8.1 was designed to (and is known to) have a lower memory usage than windows 7. If you have 7 GB constantly being used then something is wrong with your system.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46914336]Then you must be pretty bad, because Windows 8.1 was designed to (and is known to) have a lower memory usage than windows 7. If you have 7 GB constantly being used then something is wrong with your system.[/QUOTE] I don't want this to turn into tech support but all im sayin is i didnt have the problem on either W7 or the W10 preview
the only reason windows 8 boots faster is because it never actually shuts down your computer, lmao. if you don't believe me go and mount a win8 volume in linux and look at the partitions, it stuffs it with hibernation shit that makes it impossible to actually use outside of windows if you need to do anything with your volume in linux (like if you want to re-image using a script). the only way to truly shut down windows 8 is to hold the shift key while pushing shut down. and at that point it boots up way slower than windows 7, even with an SSD checkmate, atheists [editline]12th January 2015[/editline] haha oh yeah and let's not forget the part where if your hard drive fails you're fucked [editline]12th January 2015[/editline] even microsoft reps don't even know how to solve that problem! edit i see the dumbs are already raining in, oh well. the fact of the matter is, windows 8 is a technical support nightmare. if your hdd fails, unless you happen to already have the activation key handy, you're fucked. for people who are smart who build their own PCs it's not a problem, but for your average consumer, if their hard drive ever fails and they didn't bother to attempt to recover the key, they are shit out of luck. most manufacturers use different SKUs of windows 8, so unless you have the original installation media straight from the manufacturer, you will not be able to activate a copy of win8 on your machine if the drive ever fails and you install win8 on a new one. win8 pulls licensing info out of some non-volatile storage chip on the mobo during the installation process. when you first install it fresh and put a key in, it stores it there. that's how it's capable of reactivating itself automatically if you ever happen to reinstall it using the same disc again. if you got win8 on a prebuild, chances are it was installed using a custom SKU specific to that manufacturer. you can use a generic retail installation of win8, but it will not activate (even if you've pulled the key out of the storage yourself!) because it's intended for a [I]slightly[/I] different version of win8, even though they may ultimately be the same editions. a common one i've seen in my line of work is "Windows 8.1 with Bing". You [I]can not[/I] use a windows 8.1 installation media on these things. they will not activate, even if you get the key yourself. you have to get the original installation media direct from the manufacturer. windows 8 is designed to pull control away from the consumer, and it's sickening. if you're cool with not being able to fix things yourself though, windows 8 is perfect for you
I'm using 10 now and I enjoy it a lot. I hated 8, but my only experience from it was in it's early days. 10 is pretty much the performance of 8 (and the UI that came with, much more minimalized), with a layout more similar and accessible to those accustomed to 7. It's the best of both worlds.
Windows 8 is worth it just to get rid of the god ugly windows aero.
[QUOTE=redBadger;46914457]Windows 8 is worth it just to get rid of the god ugly windows aero.[/QUOTE] Windows 7 is worth it just to get rid of the god ugly windows metro.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;46914477]Windows 7 is worth it just to get rid of the god ugly windows metro.[/QUOTE] You mean that thing in 8.1 I never see? 8.1 boots straight to desktop, and I rarely see metro. The only time I see is when I want to.
[QUOTE=Monkah;46914053]Eh, to be honest, despite the Y-N-Y-N pattern we've got going, I really don't have high hopes for W10.[/QUOTE] There has never been a pattern at all
[QUOTE=Marc Laidlaw;46914106]i switched to it a few weeks ago and now im constantly using 7 out of 8GB of my RAM even when i dont have anything open get windows 8 they said its better they said[/QUOTE] oh god I thought I was the only one who had this problem e: and you have to hard-reset the PC to make it stop, right?
[QUOTE=bdd458;46914491]You mean that thing in 8.1 I never see?[/QUOTE] You never see your window manager? Or any gui? Do you only use command line?
[QUOTE=redBadger;46914457]Windows 8 is worth it just to get rid of the god ugly windows aero.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bumrang;46914477]Windows 7 is worth it just to get rid of the god ugly windows metro.[/QUOTE] Fuck it, why don't they just make every damn theme they've ever had in any Windows build available for download? That's the only way anyone will ever be happy. Hell, include a few of the more notable ones in the RTM version of 10. That way, [url=http://www.intelliadmin.com/images/WaterColor_Large.jpg]people can enjoy Watercolor if they wanted to.[/url]
[QUOTE=Bumrang;46914516]You never see your window manager? Or any gui? Do you only use command line?[/QUOTE] the general aesthetic of the GUI is not metro
"Windows 8 boots faster only because it doesn't completely shut down, lmao, get rekt."I'm still trying to figure out what this is supposed to mean. Do you want me to go "oh, no, you're right, then I guess W8's quicker start up is irrelevant, now?"It boots faster than 7. How it does it isn't too important, because, on average use, Windows 7 is always slower. I don't see how saying the method 8 uses is a counter-point.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;46914516]You never see your window manager? Or any gui? Do you only use command line?[/QUOTE] I never use the start menu to get anywhere. I find it much faster to navigate through explorer or if I'm looking for control panel, the charms bar.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;46914528]the general aesthetic of the GUI is not metro[/QUOTE] in redbadger's case it is [editline]12th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=redBadger;46914548]I never use the start menu to get anywhere. I find it much faster to navigate through explorer or if I'm looking for control panel, the charms bar.[/QUOTE] ok?
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46914530]"Windows 8 boots faster only because it doesn't completely shut down, lmao, get rekt."I'm still trying to figure out what this is supposed to mean. Do you want me to go "oh, no, you're right, then I guess W8's quicker start up is irrelevant, now?"It boots faster than 7. How it does it isn't too important, because, on average use, Windows 7 is always slower. I don't see how saying the method 8 uses is a counter-point.[/QUOTE] the method at which it achieves quicker boots is just an illusion. i guess you don't really do a lot of work with windows 8 machines then, huh? there's a lot of uses to mounting a windows 8 drive in linux, and guess what? if your installation of windows 8 is fucked and you can't perform a true shutdown to clear out all of those partitions, [I]you can not do anything with the volume.[/I] You can't mount it to recover data. You can't touch any of the partitions without incessant bitching from linux. The only thing you can do is format it. It's an ass-backward design that fucks people over.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;46914550]in redbadger's case it is [/QUOTE] Where the fuck did I say I used metro? Aero isn't the main thing Windows 8. The taskbar and window bars have a charming and modern solid and flat aesthetic to them. I can tell already you've never used 8 for more than ten minutes. It's not what metro is either. I don't use metro.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46914065] your crummy HP computer from Costco.[/QUOTE] can't beat their 90 day return policy!
[QUOTE=redBadger;46914568]Where the fuck did I say I used metro? I can tell already you've never used 8 for more than ten minutes. It's not what metro is either. I don't use metro.[/QUOTE] i never said you use metro? you said windows 8 is worth it just to remove aero, here is the top result on google for what aero is: [quote]Windows Aero is the premium visual experience of Windows Vista. It features a translucent glass design with subtle window animations and new window colors. Aero's distinctive visual style combines the appearance of lightweight, translucent windows with powerful graphic advances.[/quote] [quote=redbadger]Aero isn't the main thing Windows 8. The taskbar and window bars have a charming and modern solid and flat aesthetic to them.[/quote] exactly, aero didn't have the "modern solid and flat aesthetic"
[QUOTE=Bumrang;46914610]i never said you use metro?[/QUOTE] yes you did you mentioned metro, he said "you mean the thing i never see", to which you replied "you mean you never see your window manager? or any GUI?" which assumes you think that metro = the general aesthetic of win8, which it is not.
I am in the windows 10 beta and I honestly like it. I installed it on my old dell laptop (that has a core 2 duo or something, pretty old) and it boots in seconds. It runs really well. If they keep windows 10 good, then I have no problem switching over. We still have about ~4 years from when windows 10 comes out to slowly shift at least away from 7
[QUOTE=haloguy234;46914555]the method at which it achieves quicker boots is just an illusion. i guess you don't really do a lot of work with windows 8 machines then, huh? there's a lot of uses to mounting a windows 8 drive in linux, and guess what? if your installation of windows 8 is fucked and you can't perform a true shutdown to clear out all of those partitions, [I]you can not do anything with the volume.[/I] You can't mount it to recover data. You can't touch any of the partitions without incessant bitching from linux. The only thing you can do is format it. It's an ass-backward design that fucks people over.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you can easily turn that off.
I don't like how W8.1 makes Linux dual booting difficult, if not almost impossible.
[QUOTE=Coffee;46914660]I'm pretty sure you can easily turn that off.[/QUOTE] That's not really the point. If you do turn it off, then an advertised feature and big selling point of the OS becomes unavailable to you, and more importantly, your average consumer isn't going to know how to turn it off. And then that makes my job impossible when they come in with a fucked installation of windows and they need information recovered, and I can't mount it in linux because I can't perform a clean shutdown [I]or[/I] even navigate through explorer to find the option to turn that feature off. also the refresh feature in windows 8 works about as well as sandpaper for masturbating, most of the time it fails after i sit there for an hour waiting. otherwise i would use that feature a lot more often in these situations.
Who the heck still uses their mouse to navigate folders to launch a program? Just press the windows key on your keyboard, type in the first four letters of the program you want, and press enter.
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