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[QUOTE=haloguy234;46914629]yes you did you mentioned metro, he said "you mean the thing i never see", to which you replied "you mean you never see your window manager? or any GUI?" which assumes you think that metro = the general aesthetic of win8, which it is not.[/QUOTE] If you mention aero its assumed you're talking about gui aesthetic And metro style is the general aesthetic
[QUOTE=Panda X;46914025]Hard to believe that 7 is over 5 years old already.[/QUOTE] Dude we're getting old. I still recall creaming my pants over Win XP's 30 minute install time with CD and an Athlon 3500+
[QUOTE=Bumrang;46914695]If you mention aero its assumed you're talking about gui aesthetic And metro style is the general aesthetic[/QUOTE] Generally speaking, when people talk about "metro", they're talking about this. [t]http://www.dotnetcurry.com/images/winrt/windows-8-metro-style-business-apps-in-v_94c2/glimpse-of-metro.png[/t] as opposed to this [T]http://i.imgur.com/27rOnXS.png[/T] And to be quite frank, the GUI for 8/8.1 is miles better than W7, which I begrudgingly updated from. I love 7, and didn't want to update from it at all. But honestly, I'm glad that I made the switch.
[QUOTE=Marc Laidlaw;46914106]i switched to it a few weeks ago and now im constantly using 7 out of 8GB of my RAM even when i dont have anything open get windows 8 they said its better they said[/QUOTE] you're either entirely full of shit or you have a bitcoin miner trojan or something also: [t]http://puu.sh/ervNJ/62dcea0e60.png[/t] problem solved
[QUOTE=bdd458;46914747]Generally speaking, when people talk about "metro", they're talking about this. [t]http://www.dotnetcurry.com/images/winrt/windows-8-metro-style-business-apps-in-v_94c2/glimpse-of-metro.png[/t] [/QUOTE] I'm thinking of flat colors, sharp corners and rectangular shapes.
[QUOTE=Monkah;46914053]Eh, to be honest, despite the Y-N-Y-N pattern we've got going, I really don't have high hopes for W10.[/QUOTE] I really hated 8, but 10 is a lot better. Try the Windows 10 preview through virtual machine or something.
My only issue with Windows 8 & 8.1 is that it breaks some of my favourite older games (examples including Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2), requiring me to use some half-baked fix or jump through a bunch of hoops to get them working - that's to be expected, I guess. Otherwise, I really have no issues with it.
[QUOTE=Oblivion Knight;46914876]My only issue with Windows 8 & 8.1 is that it breaks some of my favourite older games (examples including Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2), requiring me to use some half-baked fix or jump through a bunch of hoops to get them working - that's to be expected, I guess. Otherwise, I really have no issues with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I've been trying for ages to get Max Payne 1 and 2 to work on 8.1, there's a lot of workarounds but none of them seem to work for me. Other than that, I really am glad I made the switch.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;46914555]the method at which it achieves quicker boots is just an illusion. i guess you don't really do a lot of work with windows 8 machines then, huh? there's a lot of uses to mounting a windows 8 drive in linux, and guess what? if your installation of windows 8 is fucked and you can't perform a true shutdown to clear out all of those partitions, [I]you can not do anything with the volume.[/I] You can't mount it to recover data. You can't touch any of the partitions without incessant bitching from linux. The only thing you can do is format it. It's an ass-backward design that fucks people over.[/QUOTE] If you're going into Linux, use reboot instead of shutdown. Rebooting doesn't do the hybrid hibernate. Also I don't know what problems you've been having but I've been able to play around in Windows' partition just fine after shutting down.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;46914381]edit i see the dumbs are already raining in, oh well. the fact of the matter is, windows 8 is a technical support nightmare. if your hdd fails, unless you happen to already have the activation key handy, you're fucked. for people who are smart who build their own PCs it's not a problem, but for your average consumer, if their hard drive ever fails and they didn't bother to attempt to recover the key, they are shit out of luck. most manufacturers use different SKUs of windows 8, so unless you have the original installation media straight from the manufacturer, you will not be able to activate a copy of win8 on your machine if the drive ever fails and you install win8 on a new one. win8 pulls licensing info out of some non-volatile storage chip on the mobo during the installation process. when you first install it fresh and put a key in, it stores it there. that's how it's capable of reactivating itself automatically if you ever happen to reinstall it using the same disc again. if you got win8 on a prebuild, chances are it was installed using a custom SKU specific to that manufacturer. you can use a generic retail installation of win8, but it will not activate (even if you've pulled the key out of the storage yourself!) because it's intended for a [I]slightly[/I] different version of win8, even though they may ultimately be the same editions. a common one i've seen in my line of work is "Windows 8.1 with Bing". You [I]can not[/I] use a windows 8.1 installation media on these things. they will not activate, even if you get the key yourself. you have to get the original installation media direct from the manufacturer. windows 8 is designed to pull control away from the consumer, and it's sickening. if you're cool with not being able to fix things yourself though, windows 8 is perfect for you[/QUOTE] I hope you're kidding about this, because you're extremely wrong. Almost any system has either 8.1, 8.1n, or 8.1 with Bing. It's easy as hell to reinstall just fine on an OEM machine and have it automatically activate.
[code]sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile ~blahblahblah~[/code] that was REALLY HARD i totally can't mount a hibernated drive on linux, oh wait yes i can
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;46914917][code]sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile ~blahblahblah~[/code] that was REALLY HARD i totally can't mount a hibernated drive on linux, oh wait yes i can[/QUOTE] Or ya know, it also works just fine if you're plugging it into another Windows system. I think he may think Linux is absolutely the only way you can recover data.
[QUOTE=Panda X;46914898]If you're going into Linux, use reboot instead of shutdown. Rebooting doesn't do the hybrid hibernate. Also I don't know what problems you've been having but I've been able to play around in Windows' partition just fine after shutting down.[/QUOTE] These are cases where the installation is so corrupted that I can't even reboot it using Windows, nor perform a clean shutdown. In these cases I just take the drive out and plug it into a computer in the back and mount it in Linux. Normally I just boot into linux on a flash drive. For the most part, I rarely encounter situations where I can't interact with the drive (as in most cases, I can cleanly shut down the OS). However, there's a handful of cases where linux has given me a fuckload of shit for trying to mount a volume with the hybrid partitions, and in those cases it's because Windows 8 was not truly shut down.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;46914695]If you mention aero its assumed you're talking about gui aesthetic And metro style is the general aesthetic[/QUOTE] Calling the GUI aesthetic of Windows 8 largely "Metro" like is doing a disservice to the guys who created the metro design language. The desktop part of Win8 has infinitely more to do with Aero than metro. Sure, it's less gaudy and round, but it's still mostly (a better version of) Aero.
[QUOTE=Levelog;46914928]Or ya know, it also works just fine if you're plugging it into another Windows system. I think he may think Linux is absolutely the only way you can recover data.[/QUOTE] Ummm, no? It's primarily a workflow thing. If I'm pulling information off of a drive, the next step is almost always reinstalling Windows, and to streamline the process I just run some scripts in linux which pull up-to-date images off of my server. I can reinstall pretty much any edition of Windows on as many computers as I want at one time, it's really nice. I know I could have set up something similar with some stuff in Windows server but it's a lot easier to do in linux and just works easier for me. I can set up a windows machine to pull information off of hybernated drives, but that's an extra step in a process that's already quite streamlined. It's just far easier to move info off to a share on my server, and then immediately go to pulling an image down from it. It takes 10 seconds at a keyboard and I'm on my way to doing something else. [QUOTE]sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile ~blahblahblah~[/QUOTE] And I actually had no idea that this even existed, no reason to be a dick about it. Thanks for the information though, I'll be putting it to good use.
[QUOTE=certified;46914041]Whatever, just as long as Win10's not too far away, it shouldn't be too much a problem.[/QUOTE]They should have ended Windows 7 support after Windows 10 came out.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;46915080]They should have ended Windows 7 support after Windows 10 came out.[/QUOTE] but Windows 10 didn't come out yet. It's currently a technical preview aka beta.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;46914123]Windows 7 is the 2000/XP of our time[/QUOTE] I'm going to feel old when years from now people will be making fun of 7 instead of XP. Or, maybe not old but a sense of deja vu or nostalgia.
[QUOTE=Elspin;46914293]There's nothing awkward or forced about windows 8. It's honestly time to admit that even if you don't like it, it's not a bad UI. It's fine to not like something, people don't like things that other people like all the time. But saying it's awkward and forced is completely goofy, and there was a lot of research that went into the changes from 7 to 8. I was a little bit offput by the start screen at first too but I got used to it and now I much prefer the organized menu to icons cluttering my desktop[/QUOTE] I use Win8 on campus and Win7 at home, and have done so for 2 years now. Every single time I try to run something in Win8 it is just an obnoxious hassle that ends up having to use search, and half the time it jams a fullscreen app in the way that I don't want. Why the fuck do I need a fullscreen calculator? Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea? They ripped up Win7 to cram the Metro UI in. Win10 fixes a lot of those problems - multitasking, windowing, etc. - and I can get behind it. Win8 is just a Vista-like awkward advancement that ended up necessitating a revamped new version to polish the core idea. If you love Win8, great. But there are a lot of us that are really turned off by Metro's anti-desktop mentality that was only fixed by Win10.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46915152]I use Win8 on campus and Win7 at home, and have done so for 2 years now. Every single time I try to run something in Win8 it is just an obnoxious hassle that ends up having to use search, and half the time it jams a fullscreen app in the way that I don't want. Why the fuck do I need a fullscreen calculator? Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea? They ripped up Win7 to cram the Metro UI in. Win10 fixes a lot of those problems - multitasking, windowing, etc. - and I can get behind it. Win8 is just a Vista-like awkward advancement that ended up necessitating a revamped new version to polish the core idea. If you love Win8, great. But there are a lot of us that are really turned off by Metro's anti-desktop mentality that was only fixed by Win10.[/QUOTE] Windows+S, Calculator. Boom, old calculator right there.
[QUOTE=bdd458;46915166]Windows+S, Calculator. Boom, old calculator right there.[/QUOTE] That's too much button presses, just hit the Windows key and type calculator
[QUOTE=Monkah;46914053]Eh, to be honest, despite the Y-N-Y-N pattern we've got going, I really don't have high hopes for W10.[/QUOTE]There's no pattern, they just try to make money out of an unfinished version of Windows and then throw marketing and updates at it. When that version gets bad press they and has a dip in sales, they release a finished version which appears to swoop in and save the day. Think about it, why did they try to flog Windows Me when they had Windows 2000? Because they wanted one last ditch attempt at flogging the DOS kernel. Then Windows XP comes in with it's NT5 kernel and saves the day..year. I mean you can't really believe that a Windows 2000 home edition would have that many comparability issues when they released XP a year and a bit later. They apparently started working on Vista in 2004 after they scrapped the previous build in it's entirety. It seems to me that XP was aging and they had to replace Vista soon to see a boost in sales, despite the fact certain part of it weren't ready. But that's just a guess. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=garychencool;46915117]but Windows 10 didn't come out yet. It's currently a technical preview aka beta.[/QUOTE]I meant they should have supported 7 up to the release of 10.
[QUOTE=garychencool;46915190]That's too much button presses, just hit the Windows key and type calculator[/QUOTE] Are you telling me that you have the energy to press the Windows key and then type in the word "calculator", but not the Windows key and S at the same time and then type in the word "calculator"? It's literally the same fucking thing.
This means a decrease in windows updates? That's a win for me!
[QUOTE=haloguy234;46915024]Ummm, no? It's primarily a workflow thing. If I'm pulling information off of a drive, the next step is almost always reinstalling Windows, and to streamline the process I just run some scripts in linux which pull up-to-date images off of my server. I can reinstall pretty much any edition of Windows on as many computers as I want at one time, it's really nice. I know I could have set up something similar with some stuff in Windows server but it's a lot easier to do in linux and just works easier for me. I can set up a windows machine to pull information off of hybernated drives, but that's an extra step in a process that's already quite streamlined. It's just far easier to move info off to a share on my server, and then immediately go to pulling an image down from it. It takes 10 seconds at a keyboard and I'm on my way to doing something else. And I actually had no idea that this even existed, no reason to be a dick about it. Thanks for the information though, I'll be putting it to good use.[/QUOTE] the thing that annoys me about you bitching about the hiberfile [img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mYEt_QvNgJ4/VLSJEFxsXBI/AAAAAAAAQDw/faPa82LK3_k/s0/2015-01-12_18-55-13.png[/img] that first search result includes 2 mounting options that fix your problem
Everyone knows Android is the superior platform anyway. sent from my ouya
windows 7 > windows 8
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46915152]I use Win8 on campus and Win7 at home, and have done so for 2 years now. Every single time I try to run something in Win8 it is just an obnoxious hassle that ends up having to use search,[/QUOTE] ...you just click on it. That hasn't changed, you just click on it. Are you trying to activate the icon by licking your screen? I honestly cannot imagine what you're doing here [QUOTE]and half the time it jams a fullscreen app in the way that I don't want. Why the fuck do I need a fullscreen calculator? Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea?[/QUOTE] Good thing you don't need to use a fullscreen calculator, because windows 8's default calculator (the one that pops up when you hit the windows key, type calc, then hit enter) is the normal desktop one. I didn't even know there was a metro one until you mentioned it, and for what it's worth you could always pin it with your desktop to use it with the desktop not full-screen. That's besides the point anyhow, which is that this is again factually false - you don't need to do that. [QUOTE]They ripped up Win7 to cram the Metro UI in. Win10 fixes a lot of those problems - multitasking, windowing, etc. - and I can get behind it. Win8 is just a Vista-like awkward advancement that ended up necessitating a revamped new version to polish the core idea.[/QUOTE] It's honestly almost the exact same thing, I work with XP, windows 7, and windows 8 at work and the only one that bothers me is XP because its productivity is garbage [QUOTE]If you love Win8, great. But there are a lot of us that are really turned off by Metro's anti-desktop mentality that was only fixed by Win10.[/QUOTE] It really isn't "anti-desktop", you just really want it to be that way because you don't like it. Bringing up a fullscreen menu isn't demolishing the desktop, it's barely touching it. For the vast majority of time I'm just popping into the start screen to run something or search and it doesn't affect anything at all. The (desktop, by the way) task manager is majorly improved too, which is nice.
I dont get all the hate on windows 8. Yes, it was a complete failure at launch, but the patches that have come since then addresses the issues. I still am personally waiting on windows 10 though
I hope when Windows 10 comes out it is universally declared to be better than both 7 and 8 so we can stop having these threads.
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