• The Yearly Cost of Religious Tax Exemptions in the United States: $71,000,000,000
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[QUOTE=The EpicNinja;36364414]You seriously should not have graduated Law school and i am insanely surprised you would ever be able to do anything related to Law professionally.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna insult you while losing in the actual argument we are having.
[QUOTE=The EpicNinja;36364414]You seriously should not have graduated Law school and i am insanely surprised you would ever be able to do anything related to Law professionally.[/QUOTE] Hey tell me more about how one case overrules another case which supported its decision.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364415]Clearly you know a lot about it because you've decided to [I]stop talking about it[/I] and just insult me.[/QUOTE] It's kinda hard to have a real argument with someone who isn't having a real argument.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364420]There is nothing about homosexual conduct in the New Testament. Nowhere in the New Testament does it say "don't fuck dudes or children."[/QUOTE] Let me tell you about a place in the bible called Sodom. Basically it was San Fransisco's Castro district x100, homosexuality everywhere. And what happened to it? It was burnt to the ground by God because of the sinfullness of the people, most specifically, their homosexuality.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364420]There is nothing about homosexual conduct in the New Testament. Nowhere in the New Testament does it say "don't fuck dudes or children."[/QUOTE] Do you even know what an amendment is? A change? FT was wrong. It wasn't thrown away. The OT still stood but what wasn't talked about or "Changed" in the NT, was still valid from the OT. It's like when legislature uses a line-item veto.
[QUOTE=F T;36364432]Let me tell you about a place in the bible called Sodom. Basically it was San Fransisco's Castro district x100, homosexuality everywhere. And what happened to it? It was burnt to the ground by God.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure that was the old testament, and I'm pretty sure those rule aren't followed, and if they are then they aren't universally followed.
[QUOTE=F T;36364432]Let me tell you about a place in the bible called Sodom. Basically it was San Fransisco's Castro district x100. And what happened to it? It was burnt to the ground by God.[/QUOTE] Sodom is Old Testament. What the fuck? Ten seconds ago you said "the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore," and now you're citing it again. Neither the Old Testament story of Sodom and Gommorah nor the references in the New Testament once mention homosexual conduct. Make up your god damn mind.
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364437]Do you even know what an amendment is? A change? FT was wrong. It wasn't thrown away. The OT still stood but what wasn't talked about or "Changed" in the NT, was still valid from the OT. It's like when legislature uses a line-item veto.[/QUOTE] Yeah sorry about that, I meant to say the OT law went away. [QUOTE=Lankist;36364443]Sodom is Old Testament. What the fuck? Ten seconds ago you said "the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore," and now you're citing it again. Neither the Old Testament story of Sodom and Gommorah nor the references in the New Testament once mention homosexual conduct. Make up your god damn mind.[/QUOTE] I already have, and it's my fault that I had a poor choice of words when I should have said the OT law. But still, why else would that city have been destroyed? Because God didn't like the way it looked?
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364437]Do you even know what an amendment is? A change? FT was wrong. It wasn't thrown away. The OT still stood but what wasn't talked about or "Changed" in the NT, was still valid from the OT. It's like when legislature uses a line-item veto.[/QUOTE] So then why are you allowed to touch the skin of a pig, shave your facial hair and have bowl-shaped-haircuts without burning in hell forever? [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=F T;36364444]Yeah sorry about that, I meant to say the OT law went away.[/QUOTE] Homosexuality is only explicitly mentioned once in the bible, and that is in Leviticus. If OT law no longer applies, then homosexuality is as much a sin as shaving and touching a football. Or would you care to explain to me how the entirety of Leviticus is invalid save for that ONE line which justifies homophobia.
OT LAW DIDNT GO AWAY. Jesus came and amended the law in the OT. Homosexuality is still a sin, Jesus didn't have to mention it to not be a sin. Anything he didn't comment on, was still law. However, he did change things that the OT previously made law.
I love it when people try to argue law with Lankist. These people don't seem to realize that Lankist is a lawyer. Unless they themselves are lawyers (and I highly doubt F T is a lawyer), they really shouldn't try to argue law with Lankist. In fact, Lankist, your title should be "Resident Lawyer." If I had the money, I would buy it for you myself if you wanted it. I can understand why you'd be reluctant to give up your current title, though. :v:
[QUOTE=F T;36364444]But still, why else would that city have been destroyed? Because God didn't like the way it looked?[/QUOTE] You do realize God sort of did that shit [I]all of the time[/I] for absolutely no good reason. He flooded the entire world because they were worshiping other idols. Old Testament God didn't need a reason to be a genocidal asshole.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364449]So then why are you allowed to touch the skin of a pig, shave your facial hair and have bowl-shaped-haircuts without burning in hell forever? [/QUOTE] Because people like you don't understand the purpose of the law. The law is just a list of duties that God knows we will break and fail to do just to show how frail and sinful man is. Hence, why Jesus said he came to "fulfill" the law, not to replace it.
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364470]OT LAW DIDNT GO AWAY. Jesus came and amended the law in the OT. Homosexuality is still a sin, Jesus didn't have to mention it to not be a sin. Anything he didn't comment on, was still law. However, he did change things that the OT previously made law.[/QUOTE] Jesus didn't mention bowl cuts or touching pig skin not to be a sin either. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=F T;36364482]Because people like you don't understand the purpose of the law. The law is just a list of duties that God knows we will break and fail to do just to show how frail and sinful man is. Hence, why Jesus said he came to "fulfill" the law, not to replace it.[/QUOTE] Jesus didn't mention pigskin. That law is still in place, then, and you are going to fucking hell if you've ever touched a football or eaten a rack of ribs. Unless you're saying homosexuality as a sin has been forgiven with all the rest, in which case I don't get what your beef is.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364484] Jesus didn't mention pigskin.[/QUOTE] But the law did. And going with what i'm saying, we aren't judged by how many commandmants or laws we break, but rather our faith in him.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364449]So then why are you allowed to touch the skin of a pig, shave your facial hair and have bowl-shaped-haircuts without burning in hell forever? [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Homosexuality is only explicitly mentioned once in the bible, and that is in Leviticus. If OT law no longer applies, then homosexuality is as much a sin as shaving and touching a football. Or would you care to explain to me how the entirety of Leviticus is invalid save for that ONE line which justifies homophobia.[/QUOTE] Because Jesus spoke on that. He changed the rules.
Mrs. Moon and L T, you do realize this thread is about religious taxation, and not about religion, right?
[QUOTE=The EpicNinja;36364500]Mrs. Moon and L T, you do realize this thread is about religious taxation, and not about religion, right?[/QUOTE] Boy, it's gone completely off the rails.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364484]Jesus didn't mention bowl cuts or touching pig skin not to be a sin either. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Jesus didn't mention pigskin. That law is still in place, then, and you are going to fucking hell if you've ever touched a football or eaten a rack of ribs.[/QUOTE] Not specifically but go read what he said to the Pharisees and look at what they were doing. He said enough is enough and removed that rule because it had no meaning to the world anymore and was merely exploited by through the pharisees. He generalized on that by the way.
[QUOTE=F T;36364494]But the law did. And going with what i'm saying, we aren't judged by how many commandmants or laws we break, but rather our faith in him.[/QUOTE] Then why is it wrong to rape young boys so long as you are faithful in Jesus (i.e. a priest?) [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364495]Because Jesus spoke on that. He changed the rules.[/QUOTE] He didn't change the rules about pig skin or bowl cuts. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364514]Not specifically[/QUOTE] Your words: "Anything he didn't comment on, was still law." He didn't comment on it. If you've ever had a bowl cut or touched a football, you're going to the same hell as the gays are.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364515]Then why is it wrong to rape young boys so long as you are faithful in Jesus (i.e. a priest?) [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] He didn't change the rules about pig skin or bowl cuts. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Your words: "Anything he didn't comment on, was still law."[/QUOTE] HE GENERALIZED on those things and said they were not law any longer. He changed what you had to do to become saved.
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364525]HE GENERALIZED on those things and said they were not law any longer. He changed what you had to do to become saved. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline][/QUOTE] Can you please stop arguing about Religion ffs
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364525]HE GENERALIZED on those things and said they were not law any longer. He changed what you had to do to become saved.[/QUOTE] That's funny because that's not what you said five minutes ago. [QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364470]OT LAW DIDNT GO AWAY. Jesus came and amended the law in the OT. Homosexuality is still a sin, Jesus didn't have to mention it to not be a sin. [B]Anything he didn't comment on, was still law.[/B] However, he did change things that the OT previously made law.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364515]Then why is it wrong to rape young boys so long as you are faithful in Jesus (i.e. a priest?) [/QUOTE] Because the law of God (not the OT law) is written on the hearts of man. We know it's wrong naturally.
[QUOTE=F T;36364532]Because the law of God (not the OT law) is written on the hearts of man. We know it's wrong naturally.[/QUOTE] Then shouldn't you know that touching the skin of a pig and having a bowl cut is wrong in your heart? Doesn't that mean faith does not forgive you for touching the impure skin of swine or shaving your beard? I'm sorry, but you're saying that crimes are forgiven for faith in Christ, but also that you wouldn't be committing the crimes if you had faith in Christ. Choose one.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364545]Then shouldn't you know that touching the skin of a pig and having a bowl cut is wrong in your heart? I'm sorry, but you're saying that crimes are forgiven for faith in Christ, but also that you wouldn't be committing the crimes if you had faith in Christ. Choose one.[/QUOTE] You are twisting what I am saying. I said the Law of God, not the Old Testament laws.
[QUOTE=F T;36364532]Because the law of God (not the OT law) is written on the hearts of man. We know it's wrong naturally.[/QUOTE] I don't have words carved into my heart, sorry.
How do you not get this. Okay. So The Pharisees were the top priest guys. They were all high and mighty and were corrupt. They took advantage of their position and utilized the Bible for their own benefit. They used things like the pig and the hair cut rule to punish people who offended that and they would reap the benefits. Jesus came and said that that the meaning behind those laws was ruined because of them. So he generalized all the smaller laws in the OT *pigs, hair cuts* and said that the only true way to be saved is to follow him. He kind of just went "Screw it, forget that, here is what you need to do"
[QUOTE=F T;36364555]You are twisting what I am saying. I said the Law of God, not the Old Testament laws.[/QUOTE] Uhh, I'm not twisting what you're saying. You're just saying completely contradictory things. If your faith in Christ is written in your heart, then if you have broken God's law of shaving your face, cutting your hair or touching pigskin, then does that mean your faith is false? [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364563]How do you not get this.[/QUOTE] Probably because you're saying different things every five minutes. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364563]Jesus came and said that that the meaning behind those laws was ruined because of them. So he generalized all the smaller laws in the OT *pigs, hair cuts* and said that the only true way to be saved is to follow him. He kind of just went "Screw it, forget that, here is what you need to do"[/QUOTE] Jesus did not mention them. [QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;36364470]Anything he didn't comment on, was still law.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lankist;36364565]Uhh, I'm not twisting what you're saying. You're just saying completely contradictory things. If your faith in Christ is written in your heart, then if you have broken God's law of shaving your face, cutting your hair or touching pigskin, then does that mean your faith is false? [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Probably because you're saying different things every five minutes.[/QUOTE] I'm actually not saying different things, you just seem to be blind to what I'm actually trying to get across to you. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36364565]Uhh, I'm not twisting what you're saying. You're just saying completely contradictory things. If your faith in Christ is written in your heart, then if you have broken God's law of shaving your face, cutting your hair or touching pigskin, then does that mean your faith is false? [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Probably because you're saying different things every five minutes. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Jesus did not mention them.[/QUOTE] He did mention them by putting them all in a group. The group of what the pharisees did and threw those laws away.
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