Up to 760 dead in England's heat wave - with figures likely to double
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The people who dick wave about how hot their country is do not seem to realise English buildings are designed to preserve as much heat as possible.
[QUOTE]-Light clothes (FFS, dont wear a jean or a long sleeves shirt)
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Forgot to develop this point. (Edit won't allow me to...well, edit the text).
The best possible combination is:
-Shorts. White or Khaki.
-Sandals
-And a white and not so tight shirt. White so it can reflect heat and not so tight so wind/air can circulate better. This helps a lot with a fan if you are outside.
[QUOTE]to preserve as much heat as possible.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly why I added this point:
-Staying outside under the shade/shadow.
Oh, another thing. If you HAVE to do something under the sun, wet your hair. Otherwise, you have more chances to get.....errr, in spanish is called a "golpe de calor". You don't want to get a golpe de calor.
How hot does it usually get in the summer? If it happened in 2003 I kind of thought that some people might have bought AC just in case
[QUOTE=Takoto;41510474]The people who dick wave about how hot their country is do not seem to realise English buildings are designed to preserve as much heat as possible.[/QUOTE]
In Minnesota the winters there go down to like -30F or some shit, and in the summer it gets up to 90F. Do you really think their houses are built with less insulation?
[QUOTE=Dr.C;41510509]How hot does it usually get in the summer? If it happened in 2003 I kind of thought that some people might have bought AC just in case[/QUOTE]
Well 38(?)c is the highest temp [B]ever[/B] recorded and we haven't had a heatwave like this since 2006.
Average temp in the summer (in London anyway) is 21-23c over June/July/August.
The thing is with leaving a fan on over night, is that it suddenly drops down to cold temperatures at silly times in the morning. I can sleep with a fan going and no blanket, but wake up about 2-6 freezing cold.
We can't win!
"HOW DO I DRINK WATER" - entire uk population
I can imagine this is pretty shit, especially since britain has high humidity most of the time.
It's really not hot weather that causes problems, I'll happily run around in 40C weather as long as it's 0% humidity, but if humidity is high it means you sweat more (losing more water) but less of it evaporates (so it doesn't actually cool you)
Stay cool brits, drink water, go to the pool and sleep with a fan on.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;41510509]How hot does it usually get in the summer? If it happened in 2003 I kind of thought that some people might have bought AC just in case[/QUOTE]
15-20C tops, normally. It stays about 5-15C here all year round, give or take five degrees on particularly hot/cold days. Plus AC units are bloody expensive.
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[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;41511102]I can imagine this is pretty shit, especially since britain has high humidity most of the time.
It's really not hot weather that causes problems, I'll happily run around in 40C weather as long as it's 0% humidity, but if humidity is high it means you sweat more (losing more water) but less of it evaporates (so it doesn't actually cool you)
Stay cool brits, drink water, go to the pool and sleep with a fan on.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's been 60-80% humidity here.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;41510509]How hot does it usually get in the summer? If it happened in 2003 I kind of thought that some people might have bought AC just in case[/QUOTE]
"we've had an unexpected heatwave so we'd better prepare ourselves with AC that we won't need again for another 10 years..."
britain's just fairly inept at dealing with anything out of our (limited) comfort zone; we get equal problems when we have cold winters, which for us means anything under 0C, very rarely less than -10C. and i've no doubt this seems ridiculous to many of you who live in climates that differ far more greatly than that but you just need to realise for the vast majority of our lives we live in a temperate zone that won't often see temperatures either side of -5C and 25C, and then when we do get more intense weather we struggle to cope with it.
i also think the mindset is that because we're so used to being at safe levels of heat and cold we are ignorant to the dangers that can occur with both. when we get a heatwave the general response is something like "woohoo, heatwave, let's go to the beach and make the most of it!" and not "i should really reconsider my drinking and clothing habits in this heat" and when it's cold (although we're not thankful for it) we don't take massive precautions to keep warm, and again it's the elderly and frail who are most at risk here.
Those are some surprisingly sad news.
People who feel they can brave heat their bodies are not meant to take. Why don't they heed the warnings? Stay inside during mid day, put on high factor sun cream, and don't stay exposed for too long to the heat.
These are all basic things which really should be advertised on television.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41510520]In Minnesota the winters there go down to like -30F or some shit, and in the summer it gets up to 90F. Do you really think their houses are built with less insulation?[/QUOTE]
they're built with AC powerful enough to cool it and maintain temperature because that's the norm out there. In england it isn't a huge common thing to have the systems to deal with it because they just don't have that situation most years.
e- autumn said it better
[QUOTE=Autumn;41511445]"we've had an unexpected heatwave so we'd better prepare ourselves with AC that we won't need again for another 10 years..."
britain's just fairly inept at dealing with anything out of our (limited) comfort zone; we get equal problems when we have cold winters, which for us means anything under 0C, very rarely less than -10C. and i've no doubt this seems ridiculous to many of you who live in climates that differ far more greatly than that but you just need to realise for the vast majority of our lives we live in a temperate zone that won't often see temperatures either side of -5C and 25C, and then when we do get more intense weather we struggle to cope with it.
i also think the mindset is that because we're so used to being at safe levels of heat and cold we are ignorant to the dangers that can occur with both. when we get a heatwave the general response is something like "woohoo, heatwave, let's go to the beach and make the most of it!" and not "i should really reconsider my drinking and clothing habits in this heat" and when it's cold (although we're not thankful for it) we don't take massive precautions to keep warm, and again it's the elderly and frail who are most at risk here.[/QUOTE]
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and to demonstrate a point about being used to temperatures and such to the idiots going 'wow it reaches 100 here' like it's not a big deal, in my area we have very wild temperature swings, so the effect is pretty jarring when seasons are in shift. You might have noticed that coming out of winter, 60f might be T-shirt weather and you can run around outside or go biking or whatever and feel great
mid-summer in an area that hovers in the mid 80's, you'd be reaching for a sweater or hoodie or even a jacket if the temp dropped below 65
the past few weeks have been 75-80 on average in my area, but it hit 90 degrees by 9 am today with 50% humidity and it was like breathing water through a straw, despite this temperature having been [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2012_North_American_heat_wave]pretty common[/url] last year during the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_North_American_drought]drought[/url]- and it only felt bothersome at best back then. Even so, we're getting major heat advisories at 85+ this past few weeks, it's still very dangerous to more vulnerable or ill-prepared peoples
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41510520]In Minnesota the winters there go down to like -30F or some shit, and in the summer it gets up to 90F. Do you really think their houses are built with less insulation?[/QUOTE]
The insulation thing is a bit of a misnomer - to a degree, insulation works both ways (especially if designed that way), so it prevents heat escaping and can prevent heat entering, particularly rooftop insulation as that's where most sunshine falls, obviously.
Whilst UK housing does have insulation, it's not to a massive extent, because the temperature for most of the UK stays constant at about or just below room temperature. Colder spells aren't an issue either for the most part, because what insulation we do have is specifically designed to not let out heat, and nigh on all housing has central heating.
Hot spells are more troublesome, because the only method we have to regulate our temperature is to try and use fans to move hot air around. We don't tend to have things like rooftops designed to minimise radiant heat absorption, so attics tend to heat up extremely quickly and prevent hot air from the rest of the house cooling down through convection, whereas houses designed with both cold and hot temperatures in mind would.
Shit, thats probably taken my grandma.
Dieing in the winter, dieing in the summer, I wonder if there will be any old people left at this rate.
I'm shocked there hasn't been some sort of PSA(or maybe there has been; I don't live across the pond) on tips for staying cool and not dying in your sleep due to heat suffocation.
[QUOTE=aznz888;41512595]I'm shocked there hasn't been some sort of PSA(or maybe there has been; I don't live across the pond) on tips for staying cool and not dying in your sleep due to heat suffocation.[/QUOTE]
BBC has things every now and then
I guess I could kind of understand that it would be hot for them but man, I would go there and be comfortable.
The hottest place I ever went to is Death Valley stepped out of my car when the temperature was 132F and about 5 minutes later I got back into my car dripping with sweat. That is a miserable place.
[QUOTE=Autumn;41511445]"we've had an unexpected heatwave so we'd better prepare ourselves with AC that we won't need again for another 10 years..."
britain's just fairly inept at dealing with anything out of our (limited) comfort zone; we get equal problems when we have cold winters, which for us means anything under 0C, very rarely less than -10C. and i've no doubt this seems ridiculous to many of you who live in climates that differ far more greatly than that but you just need to realise for the vast majority of our lives we live in a temperate zone that won't often see temperatures either side of -5C and 25C, and then when we do get more intense weather we struggle to cope with it.
i also think the mindset is that because we're so used to being at safe levels of heat and cold we are ignorant to the dangers that can occur with both. when we get a heatwave the general response is something like "woohoo, heatwave, let's go to the beach and make the most of it!" and not "i should really reconsider my drinking and clothing habits in this heat" and when it's cold (although we're not thankful for it) we don't take massive precautions to keep warm, and again it's the elderly and frail who are most at risk here.[/QUOTE]
I have an AC/Heater unit in a single unit. I'd figure most people would have something similar. Central air should just be a standard thing IMO. Keep your housing ideal temperatures no matter the conditions.
Edit: And add to that, I might use my heater 3 days out of our winter. I live in Houston and it's hot, sticky. Today I had a high of 95F/35C with 80% humidity. The temp will stay above 20C until October at least. AC is definitely a necessity, just like heat might be a necessity for y'all. But I also have a heater, you know, just in case.
[QUOTE=aznz888;41512595]I'm shocked there hasn't been some sort of PSA(or maybe there has been; I don't live across the pond) on tips for staying cool and not dying in your sleep due to heat suffocation.[/QUOTE]
i'm pretty sure we don't get people dying from heat suffocation over here
the temperatures may be hot for us, but at night time it still drops enough for it not to be an issue
[editline]19th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Woovie;41512648]I have an AC/Heater unit in a single unit. I'd figure most people would have something similar. Central air should just be a standard thing IMO. Keep your housing ideal temperatures no matter the conditions.[/QUOTE]
but for the majority of our lives we have absolutely no need for AC. for nearly all summers a couple of fans and open windows is plenty sufficient to keep a house cool. i don't know a single person who has AC installed in their house (though it is commonplace in commercial buildings/workplaces etc).
and then i don't know a single person who doesn't have central heating/some sort of heating system in place - that's just how it is here
And I find this bizarre, is this cause of lack of culture, that people forget a hat & frequent drinks are needed?
or you guys are really biologically (un)advanced for this kind of heat.
don't be daft, of course it's culture.
[editline]19th July 2013[/editline]
lack, thereof
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;41512678]And I find this bizarre, is this cause of lack of culture, that people forget a hat & frequent drinks are needed?
or you guys are really biologically (un)advanced for this kind of heat.[/QUOTE]
You would be surprised at how many fucking dumbs I got for telling people to buy a fan. They literally do not know how to cope and it's hilarious.
[QUOTE][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1288698&p=41427085&viewfull=1#post41427085[/url]
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41427085]May seem cooler, but thats actually a bad thing, since people wont take care of hydration like they should.
Hell, I can have fans, leave my windows open, and it would still stay several degrees above if i were to stand in direct fucking sunlight.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bravehat;41426996]Somewhat surprisingly, circulating hot air does fuck all to keep people cool.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Oh, I guess the eastern US took y'all's rain. HAHA
[sp]please take it back[/sp]
I haven't left the house in over a week, it's just too hot.
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;41512678]And I find this bizarre, is this cause of lack of culture, that people forget a hat & frequent drinks are needed?
or you guys are really biologically (un)advanced for this kind of heat.[/QUOTE]
The UK isn't used to simmering temperatures, so to speak, and I'd assume that it's not common knowledge for people to know how to combat overheating.
[QUOTE=aznz888;41512834]The UK isn't used to simmering temperatures, so to speak, and I'd assume that it's not common knowledge for people to know how to combat overheating.[/QUOTE]
A reasonable man would realize that when it's that 'hot', you cope with the temperature, protect yourself and drink twice as more.
And if this isn't the first time, where's the public alert from the media and such?
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;41512892]A reasonable man would realize that when it's that 'hot', you cope with the temperature, protect yourself and drink twice as more.
And if this isn't the first time, where's the public alert from the media and such?[/QUOTE]
first time in 10 years
[editline]19th July 2013[/editline]
we're told we're at level three
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[QUOTE=aznz888;41512834]The UK isn't used to simmering temperatures, so to speak, and I'd assume that it's not common knowledge for people to know how to combat overheating.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how in this day and age someone in a first world country has an excuse as to why they don't know how to stay safe in hot weather. It's a pretty common sense thing. Stay hydrated, get a fan if you can, don't do strenuous work outside too much, etc.
Their skin just wasn't ready.
:v:
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