• Up to 760 dead in England's heat wave - with figures likely to double
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Wanna survive the heat? Drink water! LOTS and LOTS of water if that hot.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;41513117]The funny thing is, the next time it snows the entirety of the UK will shut down like it does every year and you'll see British FP'ers crying on the forums. We'll stop making fun of you guys when they learn how to cope with [I]any[/I] type of weather, it doesn't matter what kind just learn how to get through three months without loads of people dying and your infrastructure imploding.[/QUOTE], You do realise the English pride themselves on complaining about things, right?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;41513117]The funny thing is, the next time it snows the entirety of the UK will shut down like it does every year and you'll see British FP'ers crying on the forums. We'll stop making fun of you guys when they learn how to cope with [i]any[/i] type of weather, it doesn't matter what kind just learn how to get through three months without loads of people dying and your infrastructure imploding.[/QUOTE] As others have said, the UK struggles to with any weather that is outside of the norm. Which is quite normal, most countries suffer at both extremes. Contrary to popular belief the UK does not grind to a halt every time it snows by the way, only when its very heavy.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;41513117]The funny thing is, the next time it snows the entirety of the UK will shut down like it does every year and you'll see British FP'ers crying on the forums. We'll stop making fun of you guys when they learn how to cope with [i]any[/i] type of weather, it doesn't matter what kind just learn how to get through three months without loads of people dying and your infrastructure imploding.[/QUOTE] The news channels always make lots of stories about the cold, but it really isn't that much of a fuss for most people, like going to work is a hassle during the snow but we're definitely more prepared for the cold than we are the heat. Usually if it's snowing heavily they'll be the initial "OH GOD THERE'S 3 WHOLE CENTIMETERS OF SNOW LOCK YOUR DOORS AND PRAY THAT JACK FROST WON'T CASTRATE US ALL BY THE MORNING" and then like 3 days later the BBC shows everyone some nice snowmen, some kids sent photos of.
Is it bad that I got excited from seeing the local Royal Mail sorting office in my town then caring about melting people?
Man, that is really bad.
It's easy to brag about being in 100F weather when you're sitting at your computer in an air conditioned room, or workplace, or public mall... etc. Then you step outside, so what? Millions of brits go abroad to places like Spain or Egypt or Cyprus, do we instantly drop dead? No, we don't even moan that much. The outside heat isn't effecting us that much, it's our indoor head, just because it's 27c outside doesn't mean it's not 38c inside. Just so you know, I'm in the UK, and as I type this it's 4:00am and 30C in my room. 30C and it's 17C outside, the heat will be retained until tomorrow noon where it will build up even more. I'm fine, but I wouldn't want to be elderly right now.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41509821]FUCKING THIS. My step grandma almost died today. Me and my dad rushed over there, she doesn't even have a fan on and she hadn't drank any water all day. It's really aggravating, this isn't the first time it's happened. I don't understand how you can forget to drink water, I bet 80% of these deaths could have been prevented too, but people are too ignorant because they don't deal with heat often.[/QUOTE] It's not always about forgetting to drink water. Sometimes in the midst of things, people don't always have drinking water accessible to them and so they wait, until it's too late for them.
Wow, I'm amazed about how many people are dying due to the heat even if it is the elderly for the most part. 760 seems like an insane number. Granted, I'm hardly one to talk since I can't even handle 26 C before I'm pouring ice water over my head. For the record, no. I'm not saying the British are wimps, I'm just genuinely astonished since I've never heard of that many people dying from the heat in such a short time before.
[QUOTE=Aesir;41515125]Wow, I'm amazed about how many people are dying due to the heat even if it is the elderly for the most part. 760 seems like an insane number. Granted, I'm hardly one to talk since I can't even handle 26 C before I'm pouring ice water over my head. For the record, no. I'm not saying the English are wimps, I'm just genuinely astonished since I've never heard of that many people dying from the heat in such a short time before.[/QUOTE] It is a calculated/assumed number, not an actual hard known number.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;41515121]They live in the UK, a developed country, I find it hard to believe that drinking water isn't accessible at all times.[/QUOTE] It's a creeping death. I was assuming that the victims didn't realize right away the severity of the heatwave and believed they could tolerate it until they really came crashing down, and/or it could just be the fact that English people can't take the heat as well as others. And I also meant to mention the frail and the elderly.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41515230]It is a calculated/assumed number, not an actual hard known number.[/QUOTE] I realize that. I suppose I should have said that even for an assumed number it seemed quite high.
ignoring the death part cause that sucks and i feel sorry but i don't get how adapting is a problem (unless can someone tell me how), i mean here in PA we have the same if not lower winter temperatures and the already-gone-over higher summer temperatures. i didn't think anything of it cause i assumed you guys had to deal with colder weather but now i'm not too sure about the brits
[QUOTE=Gustafa;41508860]I can't quite believe that statistic, seems far too high. Sure it's hot here but not nearly hot enough to kill that many people in such a short space of time. Also before someone compares temperatures, FUCK OFF.[/QUOTE] This. Don't the English have AC? If that many died because it was 85F, then they were going to die anyway. Just being 85 doesn't kill a person, our Body Heat is more than that
i mean did the people actually die from heatstroke or were they just old people that died durring the heatwave, cas i mean it routinely hits about 80-90 in florida and old people aren't apparently dropping dead in hundreds. that figure can't be all related to the heat [editline]19th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Adamhully;41515011]It's easy to brag about being in 100F weather when you're sitting at your computer in an air conditioned room, or workplace, or public mall... etc. Then you step outside, so what? Millions of brits go abroad to places like Spain or Egypt or Cyprus, do we instantly drop dead? No, we don't even moan that much. The outside heat isn't effecting us that much, it's our indoor head, just because it's 27c outside doesn't mean it's not 38c inside. Just so you know, I'm in the UK, and as I type this it's 4:00am and 30C in my room. 30C and it's 17C outside, the heat will be retained until tomorrow noon where it will build up even more. I'm fine, but I wouldn't want to be elderly right now.[/QUOTE] solution, get a bag of ice, get a container for said ice, then pour the afformentioned bag of ice into the container, then get a fan, position it so that it and the container of ice are now positioned between you and the fan, turn on said fan. fans also work too swamp cooler FTW
[QUOTE=TheTalon;41515874]This. Don't the English have AC?[/QUOTE] I don't have AC and I don't know anyone who does. It's just not worth the cost when 99% of the time you don't need it.
I don't understand how you can die from that level of heat? Especially in a first world country where clean water and cooling appliances are readily available. [editline]19th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;41515874]This. Don't the English have AC? If that many died because it was 85F, then they were going to die anyway. Just being 85 doesn't kill a person, our Body Heat is more than that[/QUOTE] When you live in a seasonal area like England or Canada, you won't be using A/C for about 75% of the year so it's really not worth it.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;41515121]They live in the UK, a developed country, I find it hard to believe that drinking water isn't accessible at all times.[/QUOTE] We don't have water fountains. Bars and pubs aren't allowed to charge for a glass of tap water but that's about it.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;41515775]ignoring the death part cause that sucks and i feel sorry but i don't get how adapting is a problem (unless can someone tell me how), i mean here in PA we have the same if not lower winter temperatures and the already-gone-over higher summer temperatures. i didn't think anything of it cause i assumed you guys had to deal with colder weather but now i'm not too sure about the brits[/QUOTE] Because normally our winters are, like you say, around colder-the same as your winters. The difference is here that the majority of summers are just "a bit warmer", usually hitting around 10-15C or so around here. We aren't adapted to it because a sudden heat rush of up to 30C isn't really expected or common enough to get used to.
Our tarmac looks like snow: [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/19/article-2370082-1AE322AF000005DC-410_964x561.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/19/article-2370082-1AE320C1000005DC-142_964x553.jpg[/img] Fires too: [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/19/article-2370082-1AE2EB17000005DC-328_964x688.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/19/article-2370082-1AE2E920000005DC-706_964x732.jpg[/img]
I'm sorry, but that whole hillside is on fire and those people are just sitting on the beach? I know it's probably uncommon for them, but that's just fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41518413]I'm sorry, but that whole hillside is on fire and those people are just sitting on the beach? I know it's probably uncommon for them, but that's just fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] It's england, they're just waiting for the rain to take care of it :v:
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41518413]I'm sorry, but that whole hillside is on fire and those people are just sitting on the beach? I know it's probably uncommon for them, but that's just fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] To be fair the safest place during a fire is probably a beach
I'm left to wonder how the British managed to survive long enough to conquer the world considering the country shuts down after a foot of snow and comes close with a bit of heat.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41519168]I'm left to wonder how the British managed to survive long enough to conquer the world considering the country shuts down after a foot of snow and comes close with a bit of heat.[/QUOTE] Whenever we arrived in a country, we told the inhabitants to go fight each other. We would then build a warehouse and take over administration of the area if the ruler died or wanted us to run things for him. Somehow we ended up with the whole of India because the subcontinent is so divided that nobody really cared about British expansion. To the people there, we were just the same as their prior Hindu/Muslim rulers (but we built railways, tried to calm the conflicts there, introduced a new legal system, and expanded secondary and tertiary education).
What if their deaths are not related to the heatwave but due to existing medical conditions?
[QUOTE=stupid10er;41515775]ignoring the death part cause that sucks and i feel sorry but i don't get how adapting is a problem (unless can someone tell me how), i mean here in PA we have the same if not lower winter temperatures and the already-gone-over higher summer temperatures. i didn't think anything of it cause i assumed you guys had to deal with colder weather but now i'm not too sure about the brits[/QUOTE] The British aren't very 'stretchy' when it comes to temperatures. Humans don't really have a defined 'range' where it just takes the minimum or maximum temperature and goes however many degrees up or down, they get used to a certain temperature range and anything outside of that 'comfort zone' is uncomfortable or even dangerous. It is also a calculated measurement rather than a confirmed death toll, and UK media tends to be quite dramatic when it's reporting on deaths from something. Essentially, the UK is normally a very controlled climate, and combined with our attitude to moan/ ignore symptoms of issues/ go 'oh no, it's only a little burn, I'll be alright'/ not read up on anything because we reckon we know it all already, this can lead to deaths. [QUOTE=TheTalon;41515874]This. Don't the English have AC? If that many died because it was 85F, then they were going to die anyway. Just being 85 doesn't kill a person, our Body Heat is more than that[/QUOTE] We do have air conditioning, but our houses are also designed to trap heat rather than conduct it, because our temperatures are normally on the low side. And the 'body heat' argument doesn't work, because [i]most[/i] people are at least a little uncomfortable when it's 37C, because the body is constantly expelling heat. If the human body somehow stayed at an exact 37 degrees without having to expel heat, then anything below that would be quite uncomfortable. But because, in a hot environment, there's less 'coldness' for the heat to 'diffuse' into, so the body retains more heat, therefore it feels hotter. But yes, the statistics are probably at least a little exaggerated so that they don't have to be significantly raised if things change.
I dont understand how that many people can die from 30 C weather. I was in Alaska for a few weks ago and it was around 30 - 35 C the whole time and I survived. In fact it was around the same temperature when i got back to BC, Canada. If the people of Alaska can have that kind of heat and its not all over the news what the hell is wrong with the people in the UK? ha
[QUOTE=rusty shackle;41519491]I dont understand how that many people can die from 30 C weather. I was in Alaska for a few weks ago and it was around 30 - 35 C the whole time and I survived. In fact it was around the same temperature when i got back to BC, Canada. If the people of Alaska can have that kind of heat and its not all over the news what the hell is wrong with the people in the UK? ha[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TheAdmiester;41518191]We aren't adapted to it because a sudden heat rush of up to 30C isn't really expected or common enough to get used to.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;41518191]We aren't adapted to it because a sudden heat rush of up to 30C isn't really expected or common enough to get used to.[/QUOTE] It's been several weeks. Acclimatization takes a few days to weeks at most. You're not drinking enough water.
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