Australian government wins on plain packaging tobacco products
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[QUOTE=The golden;37243831]Considering how brand and fad orientated teenagers are, I'm going to say yes actually.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it, if anything teenagers will probably be more attracted to smoking because of this.
Cigarette boxes will literally become boxes that say "DONT SMOKE ME I AM BAD FOR YOU", teenagers love to do things that they are told are bad for them.
[QUOTE=Valnar;37246659]I doubt it, if anything teenagers will probably be more attracted to smoking because of this.
Cigarette boxes will literally become boxes that say "DONT SMOKE ME I AM BAD FOR YOU", teenagers love to do things that they are told are bad for them.[/QUOTE]
They already are that. There have been pictures of diseased eyeballs, tarred up lungs, gangrenous feet, rotten teeth and dead babies on them for years now, alongside a big warning listing the health risks.
The cool thing to do nowdays is to roll your own with a pouch of tobacco. Kids aren't going to care.
[QUOTE=darcy010;37246942]The cool thing to do nowdays is to roll your own with a pouch of tobacco. Kids aren't going to care.[/QUOTE]
I can imagine that it will stop a new generation of underagers from getting into it as heavily, since there won't be the commodification of any particular brand. Instead of going up to the counter and asking "yeah, can I get a pack of winnie blues?" and maybe getting away with no ID, they're going to go up and say "um can I get a packet of cigarettes please?" and be laughed out of the shop.
Why don't they do this to alcohol as well?
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[QUOTE=Mlisen14;37247004]I can imagine that it will stop a new generation of underagers from getting into it as heavily, since there won't be the commodification of any particular brand. Instead of going up to the counter and asking "yeah, can I get a pack of winnie blues?" and maybe getting away with no ID, they're going to go up and say "um can I get a packet of cigarettes please?" and be laughed out of the shop.[/QUOTE]
No way, they will say something like "What are the cheapest menthols?" or something similair
If people really want to smoke, buy a pipe and tobacco its way cheaper.
[QUOTE=mr apple;37245160]This will more likely deter younger kids from smoking, I've got cigarette cases so it really doesn't bother me.
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fucks sake it would be mr apple to have a cigarette case wouldn't it
anyway i doubt the tobacco companies are that bothered. they know the western market is dead now. the east is where it's at for the next 50 years until tobacco is out of fashion everywhere.
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why am i reading a thread on tobacco the first day i'm quitting a 10 year habit. fuck you thread/
On the news tonight they showed an ad from the UK about smoking with children and packages and they all liked the pretty colours and the nature they were showing
So I'm actually going to say that yes, plain packaging cigarettes is going to have a drastic effect on how cigarettes appeal in the modern world.
you can't really be mad at tobacco companies anymore, now that it's universally known that they are horrendous for your health, because despite this people still buy them
If you smoke as something of a connoisseur, you smoke proper tobacco from a pipe, not mass produced poison.
Can't feel bad for those sorts of tobacco companies, nor the people who smoke them and are inconvenienced by not having a recognisable product.
I said this on another thread. If if won't have any effect then why are the tobacco companies worried?
When i started smoking it wasn't even peer pressure, even though a lot of my friends smoked, because my dad smoked for like 40 years (before he ironically died from lung cancer some years ago)and i've been curious about the smoke stick my dad put in his mouth, so i was like 13 and smoked a cig, i liked it. i kept smoking
still do, unfortunately. I am going to quit eventually, tobacco prices rise like 20% a year.
[quote]Yeah but we WANT sales to be greatly harmed[/quote]
Hey if you don't smoke why do you give a fuck about who smokes? you should grow up and get past your ego because what people smoke is none of your business
i'm not defending smoking cigs, i'm defending common sense
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;37242738]Gotta agree with this. Smoking is terrible for your health and very possibly the health of those around you but chances are if you're already smoking not much is going to deter you. I don't think some boring packaging or a warning that takes up 30% of the box is going to stop anyone.[/QUOTE]
True that if you're going into the store to buy smokes, you will... this is to deter people from seeing them and making impulse buys.
It has been at my store for a while now, it works - we're a 24 hour convenience store in Brisbane and a lot of drunk people come in early morning looking for cheap food, but you wouldn't believe the amount of drunk people buying smokes because they seen them, it makes a sizeable difference in our sales of a night.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37247978]When i started smoking it wasn't even peer pressure, even though a lot of my friends smoked, because my dad smoked for like 40 years (before he ironically died from lung cancer some years ago)and i've been curious about the smoke stick my dad put in his mouth, so i was like 13 and smoked a cig, i liked it. i kept smoking
still do, unfortunately. I am going to quit eventually, tobacco prices rise like 20% a year.
Hey if you don't smoke why do you give a fuck about who smokes? you should grow up and get past your ego because what people smoke is none of your business
i'm not defending smoking cigs, i'm defending common sense[/QUOTE]
2nd hand smoking, encouraging teens to smoke, costing a fuckton of money because you people just love your cancer so much. When smokers stop smoking around non-smokers and more importantly, children; and when smokers start paying more for health insurance, I'll stop bitching about it.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;37248044]2nd hand smoking, encouraging teens to smoke, costing a fuckton of money because you people just love your cancer so much. When smokers stop smoking around non-smokers and more importantly, children; and when smokers start paying more for health insurance, I'll stop bitching about it.[/QUOTE]
because everyone smokes around children, i never smoke in-doors, and i never smoke around other people, we don't have health insurance over here (because it's free) the percentage of tax money government takes from tobacco sales in a year is enough to give cancer treatment like 50.000 people
Also i think drinking is a bigger problem, because i see a lot of binge drinking, raging alcoholism, actual damage to other people/property because of drunk fucks, daddies beating their little kids because they drank too much whiskey at work, etc, it goes on
You can't just look at tobacco and say, hey, this is the reasons there's bad shit in the world when in reality it's the people that are fucking stupid and don't have the decency to know when they are jeopardizing other people's freedoms
Hence when you try to prohibit other people from smoking because you don't like it, theres no other word than fascism, there are other ways to make people stop smoking (it will decrease eventually but people will still smoke regardless of whatever nanny-state laws your country approves, just look at weed, making it illegal only stops people from smoking in public, well, most of the times)
You gotta look at things differentely because the people in this thread are fighting fire with propane gas
I think it's about stopping the next generation of kids and teens from smoking, not so much the current.
i'm all for stopping kids smoking
but if my grandson, a consenting adult, wants to smoke, why not?
I find it funny that when people talk about smoking weed they're like ohhh yeahh 420 erry day but smoking a cig it's like, well you know.
Why don't they start doing this to junk food too? Then we'll see...
If advertising and colours and whatnot never had an affect, why would they exist in the first place?
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37248258]i'm all for stopping kids smoking
but if my grandson, a consenting adult, wants to smoke, why not?
I find it funny that when people talk about smoking weed they're like ohhh yeahh 420 erry day but smoking a cig it's like, well you know.[/QUOTE]
I don't smoke, smoke weed or drink excessively, no hypocrisy here.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37248258]i'm all for stopping kids smoking
but if my grandson, a consenting adult, wants to smoke, why not?
I find it funny that when people talk about smoking weed they're like ohhh yeahh 420 erry day but smoking a cig it's like, well you know.[/QUOTE]
yeah, dem police state fascists, how dare they make it slightly less appealing to buy smokes. i have a goddamn constitutional right to have pretty colours and brands when i give myself cancer
Also we have actual healthcare so smokers cost a fuckload to society, we're not retarded and focus on this as well as other issues with this being a statistically significant one, and you're a dumbass, just throwing it out there.
When they first introduced this idea I thought they'd opt for that brown cardboard you get from recycled cardboard boxes, but from the sample pictures it looks like they'll still be using bleached card with just a brown colour to it. I can see they care about the environment.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37248258]i'm all for stopping kids smoking
but if my grandson, a consenting adult, wants to smoke, why not?
I find it funny that when people talk about smoking weed they're like ohhh yeahh 420 erry day but smoking a cig it's like, well you know.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand, you're all for kids to stop smoking but you'll let them smoke if they ask you for one
Isn't that stupid, well I mean we can't expect much intelligence out of you but still.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;37248786]yeah, dem police state fascists, how dare they make it slightly less appealing to buy smokes. i have a goddamn constitutional right to have pretty colours and brands when i give myself cancer
Also we have actual healthcare so smokers cost a fuckload to society, we're not retarded and focus on this as well as other issues with this being a statistically significant one, and you're a dumbass, just throwing it out there.[/QUOTE]
Give me the numbers then
How much DO smokers cost to your society then?
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37249447]Give me the numbers then
How much DO smokers cost to your society then?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/17-3-the-costs-of-smoking-to-australian-society[/url]
[url]http://www.health.vic.gov.au/tobaccoreforms/social.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=NB04021.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/31901/reduce-risks/smoking-reduce-risks/tobacco-facts/statistics-on-smoking-in-australia/?pp=31901[/url]
I could post more but I'd be repeating myself.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;37249532][URL]http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/17-3-the-costs-of-smoking-to-australian-society[/URL]
[URL]http://www.health.vic.gov.au/tobaccoreforms/social.htm[/URL]
[URL]http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=NB04021.pdf[/URL]
[URL]http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/31901/reduce-risks/smoking-reduce-risks/tobacco-facts/statistics-on-smoking-in-australia/?pp=31901[/URL]
I could post more but I'd be repeating myself.[/QUOTE]
The data shows how much australians are smoking LESS, which is what you want, right?
So quit your bitching
EDIT: if the percentage of smokers increased then harsher anti-smoking measures would make much more sense, but it appears you want everyone to stop doing drugs (and tobacco is a drug regardless of what you think), which is NOT going to happen unless there's a ban on importation and growing of the tobacco plant
Which then comes the bans, ban smoking tobacco and people especially young people will find 'bootleg' cigs, tobacco traficking increases and so will crime, banning anything doesn't work so don't even think about it
I know you mean well, but it's a more complex issue than you think, banning tobacco would make criminals rich
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Also amongst that data, do you even KNOW how much money government rakes on taxing tobacco?
I think the plain boxes look cooler
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;37247749]you can't really be mad at tobacco companies anymore, now that it's universally known that they are horrendous for your health, because despite this people still buy them[/QUOTE]
They're still lobbying cunts
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;37250606]They're still lobbying cunts[/QUOTE]
which is why things like this are progressing slowly
well
what big corporation doesn't lobby?
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;37250606]They're still lobbying cunts[/QUOTE]
God forbid a company tries to get something done that is in their best interests.
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