Australian government wins on plain packaging tobacco products
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This is stupid. Just inform and leave it at. People need to be free to make their own decisions.
[QUOTE=taipan;37256447]This is stupid. Just inform and leave it at. People need to be free to make their own decisions.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand, this is to make packages look boring to new coming smokers, losing that appeal it has right now.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37250234]The data shows how much australians are smoking LESS, which is what you want, right?
So quit your bitching
EDIT: if the percentage of smokers increased then harsher anti-smoking measures would make much more sense, but it appears you want everyone to stop doing drugs (and tobacco is a drug regardless of what you think), which is NOT going to happen unless there's a ban on importation and growing of the tobacco plant
Which then comes the bans, ban smoking tobacco and people especially young people will find 'bootleg' cigs, tobacco traficking increases and so will crime, banning anything doesn't work so don't even think about it
I know you mean well, but it's a more complex issue than you think, banning tobacco would make criminals rich
[editline]15th August 2012[/editline]
Also amongst that data, do you even KNOW how much money government rakes on taxing tobacco?[/QUOTE]
I'm now seeing why you're deserving of your title. You're beating up a strawman because I never said anything about banning tobacco.
People are smoking less, like I give a fuck because it still costs a fuckload as you would see if you actually read any of what I posted. Same with the taxes ([url=http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/content/ConsultationPaper.aspx?doc=html/publications/Papers/Consultation_Paper/section_11.htm]Section 11.2[/url]), it still costs more than it brings in.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;37259941]I'm now seeing why you're deserving of your title. You're beating up a strawman because I never said anything about banning tobacco.
People are smoking less, like I give a fuck because it still costs a fuckload as you would see if you actually read any of what I posted. Same with the taxes ([url=http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/content/ConsultationPaper.aspx?doc=html/publications/Papers/Consultation_Paper/section_11.htm]Section 11.2[/url]), it still costs more than it brings in.[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck does my title have to do with this, does being gay and love cocks somehow inhibit my reasoning skills? learn to argument
Maybe you should think harder on your stance on the subject because tobacco is a tiny fraction of money that goes wasted by your tax payers
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37268126]Why the fuck does my title have to do with this, does being gay and love cocks somehow inhibit my reasoning skills? learn to argument
Maybe you should think harder on your stance on the subject because tobacco is a tiny fraction of money that goes wasted by your tax payers[/QUOTE]
No, just that you're an awful poster and now proving you can't argue either. Usually people pick out one point rather than the whole argument but you haven't addressed either.
I know what my stance on tobacco is and a utilitarian cost analysis isn't the primary reason. People not dying of lung cancer is a big one, or any other of the multitude or health problems smoking causes. The cost is still at a net loss, and you yourself admit you should quit some time. We're not retarded and we respect civil liberties, we're even careful about raising taxes on smokes lest stupid people drive themselves into poverty, but we make very well known the costs and dangers and offer guidance if they want to quit.
[QUOTE=DwarfOverlord;37245878]I find it stupid how the government pretend to do stuff about smoking...if they really wanted to change it, they would put the prices skyhigh or ban them all together. But they get too much money from them, so they introduce laws like this to make it seem like they're doing something.[/QUOTE]
Yeah let's just ban it altogether. That always works out great.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_prohibition#Effects_of_the_Prohibition[/url]
Cigarettes are cigarettes, this isn't going to change anything
I don't know about anyone else, but I smoke cigarettes just so that I can collect the pretty boxes.
Putting disgusting pictures of people dying on the box didn't work.
Neither will this.
There's a simple psychological element to smoking that people overlook - instead insisting that the addiction is simply due to chemicals in the cigarettes (yet this doesn't explain how some people can casually smoke without becoming addicted).
[QUOTE=Devodiere;37268918]No, just that you're an awful poster and now proving you can't argue either. Usually people pick out one point rather than the whole argument but you haven't addressed either.
I know what my stance on tobacco is and a utilitarian cost analysis isn't the primary reason. People not dying of lung cancer is a big one, or any other of the multitude or health problems smoking causes. The cost is still at a net loss, and you yourself admit you should quit some time. We're not retarded and we respect civil liberties, we're even careful about raising taxes on smokes lest stupid people drive themselves into poverty, but we make very well known the costs and dangers and offer guidance if they want to quit.[/QUOTE]
I'm an awful poster for giving my opinion!
My lord, how fucking stupid am i!
I've seen enough kids at my highschool debate over which cigarette pack looks the best/say they buy that or that brand because the package looks nicer to know this may actually help a bit.
It will just add to the forbidden fruit effect and any good that it does do will be worthless because it will not have basis in logic and understanding. Authority and authoritarianism is not the solution to anything.
Social change and increased health awareness is the main thing reducing smoking numbers. Keep informing people but let them make their own decisions just like they do when they decide what food to eat.
Cigarettes are the ultimate capitalist success. For now the world is based on profit and profit doesn't give a fuck whether it comes from making people ill with bad food and habits or helping people - the good thing is it is still the choice of the people whether to consume something or not. If the world did not operate in such a way and communities just helped each other out and made only necessary products irrespective of money maybe cigarettes would exist in a different form and be safer or not be around at all... there's a thought
If state healthcare cares for people who eat unhealthily and cause themselves problems then it should care for people who smoke (and other risky activities) too. If there is no state healthcare, maybe people should pay for their own damn mistakes when it comes to illness that could have been prevented from eating right/not smoking.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;37271789]It will just add to the forbidden fruit effect and any good that it does do will be worthless because it will not have basis in logic and understanding. Authority and authoritarianism is not the solution to anything.
Social change and increased health awareness is the main thing reducing smoking numbers. Keep informing people but let them make their own decisions just like they do when they decide what food to eat.
Cigarettes are the ultimate capitalist success. For now the world is based on profit and profit doesn't give a fuck whether it comes from making people ill with bad food and habits or helping people - the good thing is it is still the choice of the people whether to consume something or not. If the world did not operate in such a way and communities just helped each other out and made only necessary products irrespective of money maybe cigarettes would exist in a different form and be safer or not be around at all... there's a thought
If state healthcare cares for people who eat unhealthily and cause themselves problems then it should care for people who smoke (and other risky activities) too. If there is no state healthcare, maybe people should pay for their own damn mistakes when it comes to illness that could have been prevented from eating right/not smoking.[/QUOTE]
Exactly! this is what i'm trying to say
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what the fuck, this is hilarious
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