• House Committee Votes to Require Women to Register for Draft
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[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216616]You live in one of the most peaceful times in human history.[/QUOTE] Cool! Then why do we need the draft?
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;50216600]I'm not quite sure how I feel about this morally but I'm leanings towards that kinda being fucked up, we all benefit from living in society and should be willing to give back to it if need be.[/QUOTE] We live in a society where a very sizable chunk of Congress wants to take from us and make us grovel for a barely livable wage. For me to want to fight for the US, I want to feel actually accounted for. I want to feel like Congress actually wants to serve me and my friends. I don't think they do. I don't think they care. I think they care about making money and serving business. I only live in America because it's convenient, and if this country fails I have no problems with moving somewhere else. And if I can't move anywhere else? Oh well.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50216620]Cool! Then why do we need the draft?[/QUOTE] Why not, It's a good safety measure just in case. Does it hurt anyone to keep it around?
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216604]That was a marine study, not an army study. If I can find one for the army though I'd return to my previous position. It's most likely similar simply due to physiology but I'm not going to argue out of my ass.[/QUOTE] I don't know how much further I can simplify this. Lets say all troops have a value of 1-10 and only troops that have a value of over 5 are able to join the marines. Provided both men and women have the same requirement, they should be roughly the same in terms of value. It makes no sense then to say the study is irrelevant because the marines have a higher requirement. If anything the fact they have a requirement makes the study more controlled.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216622]We live in a society where a very sizable chunk of Congress wants to take from us and make us grovel for a barely livable wage. For me to want to fight for the US, I want to feel actually accounted for. I want to feel like Congress actually wants to serve me and my friends. I don't think they do. I don't think they care. I think they care about making money and serving business. I only live in America because it's convenient, and if this country fails I have no problems with moving somewhere else. And if I can't move anywhere else? Oh well.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should use the political process that exists to do something instead of whining on an internet forum full of neckbeards. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Novangel))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Actually let's make that a week" - Novangel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216616]You live in one of the most peaceful times in human history. Just be happy you aren't shoveling pig shit for your feudal overlord. The government gave you an Education. You'd be a meandering fuck incapable of forming a coherent sentence without the big bad government.[/QUOTE] And the people up top who live in the business' pocket wouldn't be so big and mighty had I not contributed to the economy with work, with taxes, and other shit. It works both ways.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216626]Maybe you should use the political process that exists to do something instead of whining on an internet forum full of neckbeards.[/QUOTE] There isn't a politician that represents me, and the way the government is set up is being abused to fail. The government is corrupt and broken.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216631]There isn't a politician that represents me, and the way the government is set up is being abused to fail.[/QUOTE] Then become the one you want to represent you.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216627]And the people up top who live in the business' pocket wouldn't be so big and mighty had I not contributed to the economy with work, with taxes, and other shit. It works both ways.[/QUOTE] If the US is so shit why not move to Somalia?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216622]We live in a society where a very sizable chunk of Congress wants to take from us and make us grovel for a barely livable wage. For me to want to fight for the US, I want to feel actually accounted for. I want to feel like Congress actually wants to serve me and my friends. I don't think they do. I don't think they care. I think they care about making money and serving business. I only live in America because it's convenient, and if this country fails I have no problems with moving somewhere else. And if I can't move anywhere else? Oh well.[/QUOTE] Would you be willing to defend other people like yourself if an invasion or some other fucked up event occured? Or are we talking wars in other countries kind of shit here? Because if so, I agree with you
[QUOTE=Thlis;50216569]I don't really get why you are conceding that. Only the best is irrelevant. If the selection is unbiased that still shows the all male squads performed better.[/QUOTE] If we only accepted the best we'd have a small ass army so it really isn't irrelevant. If they can perform to the line they should get the role.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50216625]I don't know how much further I can simplify this. Lets say all troops have a value of 1-10 and only troops that have a value of over 5 are able to join the marines. Provided both men and women have the same requirement, they should be roughly the same in terms of value. It makes no sense then to say the study is irrelevant because the marines have a higher requirement.[/QUOTE] Well tbh the army is just cannon fodder anyway so it doesn't really matter. not srs btw. idk if you can produce a study that says women are incapable of filling out army rolls im right there with you.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216632]Then become the one you want to represent you.[/QUOTE] sure sounds easy when you make everything this cryptic and vague
[QUOTE=Levelog;50216637]If we only accepted the best we'd have a small ass army so it really isn't irrelevant. If they can perform to the line they should get the role.[/QUOTE] Did you actually read the posts? I was responding to a post stating that a Marine Corps study was irrelevant because they have a requirement to entry.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216547]And you don't think that's a generalization, or perhaps the result of women not being in combat for as long as men? It's like if I let a few black people into combat and they all died - it would be unfair to say, "Black people just can't fight."[/QUOTE] No because men and women are objectively different in terms of physiology, while differences between white and black people are negligible. Why do you think we have different sports leagues between sexes? Would you have a male basketball team against a female basketball team? Who do you think would likely win, on average? If your enemy is using primarily male infantry, would you deploy mainly female infantry, to counter?
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216632]Then become the one you want to represent you.[/QUOTE] There are people who attempt to represent me, and they are currently being fucked out of any position. A person who can land in office doesn't deserve it. A person who can't land in office are generally the people you want serving for it. A person who can play the game of politics generally will not represent its people and are just looking for the easy route to win and live off the money. While it is not my only example, compare Sanders and Clinton. It's a shitshow based on who can better play the political game, which in no way entails a good leader.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50216633]If the US is so shit why not move to Somalia?[/QUOTE] the us is shit in the context of what the us could be the us is not shit when you compare it to somalia quit being daft
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216623]Why not, It's a good safety measure just in case. [/QUOTE] lol We have one of the largest militaries in the world and the ability of using nuclear deterrence. Our navy is more powerful than the next 5 largest navies combined. And those are all volunteers. We do [I]not[/I] need the draft.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;50216635]Would you be willing to defend other people like yourself if an invasion or some other fucked up event occured? Or are we talking wars in other countries kind of shit here? Because if so, I agree with you[/QUOTE] If someone came to the country I don't have a problem with defending our territory. That's different. But the US [I]sending[/I] me to die is insane.
We're going the wrong way. We should abolish the draft altogether (though I know it hasn't been used since Viet Nam)
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216626]Maybe you should use the political process that exists to do something instead of whining on an internet forum full of neckbeards.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I agree. I mean, it's just that simple. Quit whining, and just do it!
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;50216643]Good idea, I hear independants are very successful in this country.[/QUOTE] Maybe because no one votes for them? No ones stopping you from voting for them except yourselves lol.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;50216600]I'm not quite sure how I feel about this morally but I'm leanings towards that kinda being fucked up, we all benefit from living in society and should be willing to give back to it if need be.[/QUOTE] If you work a job and pay your taxes, you're already giving back to society. You should be under no obligation to throw away your personal freedom and potentially put your life in peril simply because you are a member of society.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50216644]Did you actually read the posts? I was responding to a post stating that a Marine Corps study was irrelevant because they have a requirement to entry.[/QUOTE] I'm saying the whole argument that male squads perform better than female squads is irrelevant.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216582]I refuse to die for the pigfuckers in Congress that sell the American population to the furnace that is capitalism and the upper class while people delude themselves into thinking that our government in any way stands for freedom, ethics, and its own citizens. America is not something to be proud of, and I am not represented, so why should I die for a group of people that are completely out of touch and view me as the "other" that can go fight for him? I'd only enter the fight if everyone in Congress joined me. Women being allowed to join only makes me feel better because they aren't treated as being weaker, but it doesn't detract from the problem that the draft poses. America doesn't deserve a draft.[/QUOTE] The draft won't ever be used again unless we have enemies at the gate and raw sewage has hit the rotory circulation device
[QUOTE][Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif.] said he offered the measure to trigger a discussion about how the Pentagon’s decision in December to rescind gender restrictions on military service failed to consider whether the exclusion on drafting women also should be lifted.[/QUOTE] I like this guy. Looks like he actually puts some thought into the measures he puts forward.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50216633]If the US is so shit why not move to Somalia?[/QUOTE] I don't think that the standard we hold ourselves to as Americans should be "Hey at least we're not a third world country!" I think American can be the greatest country in the world again, and I want it to be
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216653]Maybe because no one votes for them? No ones stopping you from voting for them except yourselves lol.[/QUOTE] This is another problem: I wouldn't die for most of society. I'm not very fond of most of society, who currently votes for terrible people and holds regressive views. I wouldn't die for people that are currently invested in taking away my rights. The people who are too old to be drafted are generally the people who are clinging on to bad values.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216616]You live in one of the most peaceful times in human history. Just be happy you aren't shoveling pig shit for your feudal overlord. The government gave you an Education. You'd be a meandering fuck incapable of forming a coherent sentence without the big bad government.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, the classic "don't be so spoiled, you're in the best fucking timeperiod of all time." Spare me that whole spiel. I live in the present not the past, and the present right now is still pretty shit for me. Just because things were shittier in the past does not mean that things in the present are not also shit. We're still being fucked in the ass, it's just now we have lube.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216665]This is another problem: I wouldn't die for most of society. I'm not very fond of most of society, who currently votes for terrible people and holds regressive views. I wouldn't die for people that are currently invested in taking away my rights. The people who are too old to be drafted are generally the people who are clinging on to bad values.[/QUOTE] Could we all agree that the draft is acceptable as a defensive measure at least?
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