House Committee Votes to Require Women to Register for Draft
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[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216776]Draft implies desperation, or at the very least that some people are going to fill the front line and people will wait in line to be at the front. It implies that the war can potentially end with everyone having their turn to die.
It's basically mandating patriotism. It's not that I would die for my country, it's that I have to die for my country. It's an important distinction. No good country would have to force it's people to join the draft.[/QUOTE]
Well you said you wouldn't as in any circumstance... which is very different from what you're saying here.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216766]You seem to have forgotten a few conscription wars...
Civil War, WWI, WWII[/QUOTE]
and they justify the other ones, how, exactly?
[QUOTE=Levelog;50216782]Exactly. I'd totally go for a non combat role. Hell, the Army Core of Engineers is really big here and I'd totally have a job there if I had existing security clearance.[/QUOTE]
This isn't really influencing my view on the draft, but I am probably not mentally equipped to join the military.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216756]I was actually thinking about this on Monday, strangely enough. I was thinking that my lives is in the hands of Congress, who would only view me as a statistic. And I was thinking that if they're going to send people to die, they should have to watch it and really understand what they're doing by putting more troops out into the world to fight over oil, or interact with the communities that they just spent time bombing. Yeah, that probably sounds extreme, but I seriously don't think they care. Or if they do care, they care for the wrong reasons. They'll see me dying and use it as motivation to push harder, or something. But if every day they had to watch five minutes of death that they're causing every day, some of them wouldn't have the nerve to keep doing it, and the US would more quickly associate Congress as prolonging death. It would push them to stop the war as soon as possible, and actually do their fucking jobs as politicians for once.
And so I hear that women may possibly join in, and in my head I'm thinking, "Well, there's more people that are going to die." It's really sickening. Sure, they're equal, but they're equal in risking death for ridiculous reasons.[/QUOTE]
Jesus dude you're such a whiney wimp. You'd likely never be utilized (as much as I would love for you to be forced to work for me), don't worry about it.
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50216786]and they justify the other ones, how, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Just examples of conscription being used in situations where we arn't fucking up 100%.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216785]Well you said you wouldn't as in any circumstance... which is very different from what you're saying here.[/QUOTE]
I'm accentuating being forced. I'm not saying that I'm actually going to. I don't know why you're confusing this.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216787]This isn't really influencing my view on the draft, but I am probably not mentally equipped to join the military.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, I'm not exactly a supporter of the draft but I'm also not really strongly against it.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216790]I'm accentuating being forced. I'm not saying that I'm actually going to. I don't know why you're confusing this.[/QUOTE]
Well you said "I will not die for this country." which is a pretty absolute statement.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50216778]Bro there are some straight up retards and fat bodies in the Marine Corps (just like any branch). The Marine Corps is just really good at projecting that aura of "Eliteness" through recruiting ads and what not.[/QUOTE]
not just the marines - the entire american military has a pretty strong pull on culture
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50216788]Jesus dude you're such a whiney wimp. You'd likely never be utilized as much as I would like for you to be forced to work for me. Don't worry about it.[/QUOTE]
Stop with the ad hominem.
In what way does calling that user a "whiny wimp" get us further into our discussion?
[QUOTE=exhale77;50216796]Stop with the ad hominem.
In what way does calling that user a "whiny wimp" get us further into our discussion?[/QUOTE]
It proves he's a "Whiny wimp" duh.
[QUOTE=exhale77;50216784]Interesting, I was unaware that the requirements were (relatively) low.[/QUOTE]
You don't really have to be a mensa level genius or an astounding athlete to be a Marine, if you want to excel yeah you need to be fit but there's plenty of people serving who dont fit the stereotypical bill of a cold blooded killing machine
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50216788]Jesus dude you're such a whiney wimp. You'd likely never be utilized (as much as I would love for you to be forced to work for me), don't worry about it.[/QUOTE]
My brother is a soldier and legitimately thinks that I should stay home. He doesn't think ill of me, but he doesn't think that I belong in the army and I don't really blame him.
But I'm happy you found it in yourself to call me a wimp over potentially being forced to die in a country I wouldn't voluntarily die for.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216766]You seem to have forgotten a few conscription wars...
Civil War, WWI, WWII[/QUOTE]
Riddle me this: How were the veteran benefits for the men who fought and survived those wars?
[QUOTE=axelord157;50216809]Riddle me this: How were the veteran benefits for the men who fought and survived those wars?[/QUOTE]
That has nothing to do with conscription.
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[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;50216808]Only the [I]real[/I] american men want to join the army, everyone else is a big pussy[/QUOTE]
I don't even want to join or even considered joining. I just think it's useful as a defense mechanism.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50216801]You don't really have to be a mensa level genius or an astounding athlete to be a Marine, if you want to excel yeah you need to be fit but there's plenty of people serving who dont fit the stereotypical bill of a cold blooded killing machine[/QUOTE]
Did you think that I was labeling marines or any military men as cold blooded killing machines? I don't. I think a lot of military men are cool, and they are just as human as anybody. They're just broken down to be built back up in training so that they have the mental resources to make decisions and follow actions even if they themselves don't agree with it. I don't particularly see myself being built up again, especially without motivation. I am not motivated for my country.
I came in here expecting endless pages of dribble about you dipshits complaining about women in combat roles. I was pleasantly surprised to find it's just one guy complaining about Selective Service.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216805]My brother is a soldier and legitimately thinks that I should stay home. He doesn't think ill of me, but he doesn't think that I belong in the army and I don't really blame him.
But I'm happy you found it in yourself to call me a wimp over potentially being forced to die in a country I wouldn't voluntarily die for.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, I wouldn't want you serving either because you'd probably get yourself or someone else needlessly killed.
[QUOTE=exhale77;50216773]The idea is that getting "drafted" into any position is against a person's will, regardless of if that role is combative or not.
Many don't like the idea of being forced to do things, combative or not.[/QUOTE]
Well tough luck. In times of war the government has to do things that it doesn't normally do because it's goddamned war.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;50216808]Only the [I]real[/I] american men want to join the army, everyone else is a big pussy[/QUOTE]
My brother is an atheist and does not care for the US, by the way. He's personally contrarian but doesn't talk much about it. It is what it is, and he's a soldier. He's doing it for the personal benefits and because he gets a chance at helping people.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50216818]Did you think that I was labeling marines or any military men as cold blooded killing machines? I don't. I think a lot of military men are cool, and they are just as human as anybody. They're just broken down to be built back up in training so that they have the mental resources to make decisions and follow actions even if they themselves don't agree with it. I don't particularly see myself being built up again, especially without motivation. I am not motivated for my country.[/QUOTE]
That comment wasn't directed towards you but for the record I think being labeled as a cold blooded killing machine is a good thing.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50216821]I agree with you, I wouldn't want you serving either because you'd probably get yourself or someone else needlessly killed.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad we were able to reach the same conclusion?
[QUOTE=download;50216819]I came in here expecting endless pages of dribble about you dipshits complaining about women in combat roles. I was pleasantly surprised to find it's just one guy complaining about Selective Service.[/QUOTE]
There is no need to label (whatever portion of the community you are referring to) as "dipshits".
People have opinions and would like to share them.
does the draft disqualify people who are not physically capable of serving tho ??
i dont even know how the draft works tbh but i wouldn't be super stoked about being forced to sign up for something like that just because it's kind of a scary prospect. even if it's only for worst case scenario.
only because i know my five foot three asthmatic ass with severe anxiety probably wouldn't be of literally any use.
but forcing women to do it too doesn't seem like a huge issue to me. if they're judging what role a person would serve based on their abilities, it doesn't seem to matter. i mean it'd be nice to not need a draft at all tho.
[QUOTE=Fayez;50216822]Well tough luck. In times of war the government has to do things that it doesn't normally do because it's goddamned war.[/QUOTE]
Interesting thought, I don't have a definite stance unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Pascall;50216831]does the draft disqualify people who are not physically capable of serving tho ??
i dont even know how the draft works tbh but i wouldn't be super stoked about being forced to sign up for something like that just because it's kind of a scary prospect. even if it's only for worst case scenario.
only because i know my five foot three asthmatic ass with severe anxiety probably wouldn't be of literally any use.
but forcing women to do it too doesn't seem like a huge issue to me. if they're judging what role a person would serve based on their abilities, it doesn't seem to matter. i mean it'd be nice to not need a draft at all tho.[/QUOTE]
You'd be useful for soaking up enemy bullets.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50216824]That comment wasn't directed towards you but for the record I think being labeled as a cold blooded killing machine is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
I think cold-blooded killing machines are probably why a lot of foreigners do not like the United States, and what is probably used to recruit people into terrorist organizations. "Look at these people. They're sick, and don't care about human life. They want us dead." My brother was telling me about how the military has had to undergo a lot of rethinking in how foreigners are treated so that we don't look like cold-blooded killers and more like human beings doing their job without needless discrimination and hatred.
[QUOTE=Pascall;50216831]does the draft disqualify people who are not physically capable of serving tho ??
i dont even know how the draft works tbh but i wouldn't be super stoked about being forced to sign up for something like that just because it's kind of a scary prospect. even if it's only for worst case scenario.
only because i know my five foot three asthmatic ass with severe anxiety probably wouldn't be of literally any use.
but forcing women to do it too doesn't seem like a huge issue to me. if they're judging what role a person would serve based on their abilities, it doesn't seem to matter. i mean it'd be nice to not need a draft at all tho.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the Military would not draft someone who was physically or mentally incapable.
[QUOTE=Richoxen;50216835]You'd be useful for soaking up enemy bullets.[/QUOTE]
pretty sure i would die in basic training rather than ever making it that far, my guy
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50216837]Yes, the Military would not draft someone who was physically or mentally incapable.[/QUOTE]
Unless they were on their last leg.
[editline]28th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pascall;50216841]pretty sure i would die in basic training rather than ever making it that far, my guy[/QUOTE]
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