US Marines do it again - This time they pose with SS flag
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[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;34645268]Who cares?
Why does it matter? Can you tell me why it matters? It's the past, and the past has been done.[/QUOTE]
The soldiers are using nazi symbolism, why should anyone who pays taxes TO THESE PEOPLE stand for that?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34645290]The soldiers are using nazi symbolism, why should anyone who pays taxes TO THESE PEOPLE stand for that?[/QUOTE]
Stand for what? Stand for some soldiers having a flag about an event that happened in the past and should be left in the past? Why does it matter anyway? These soldiers who risk their lives can't have the luxury of choosing their flag? And, assuming they know what it stands for and they're making a joke, they know what it means, can't they have the luxury of humor? They can't even make a joke on their flag without people screaming for them to take it down in case it offends someone?
it's not even an SS symbol it's a different font entirely that happens to have a runic letter S
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34645290]The soldiers are using nazi symbolism, why should anyone who pays taxes TO THESE PEOPLE stand for that?[/QUOTE]
You're a god damned moron.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34645412]You're a god damned moron.[/QUOTE]
"The guys we pay taxes to fight our wars are fighting our wars and I'm mad because they're doing something on the side!"
Flawless thinking right there
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34645290]The soldiers are using nazi symbolism, why should anyone who pays taxes TO THESE PEOPLE stand for that?[/QUOTE]
Stand for fucking what?
"oh no the people whose job it is to kill people are insensitive about our PC views on flag insignias!!! :( "
U.S Marines are about the least PC organization on earth. They call each other niggers, spics, white trash and chinks, and that's just how they talk to friends. They have a bunch of motivational sayings that revolve around exaggeratedly killing large amounts of people.
Of all the things in the Marine Corp you could [sp]overreact[/sp] take offense to, why on earth would it be some dumb fucking flag that's used by one unit, probably in a joking manner?
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;34645570]Stand for fucking what?
"oh no the people whose job it is to kill people are insensitive about our PC views on flag insignias!!! :( "
U.S Marines are about the least PC organization on earth. They call each other niggers, spics, white trash and chinks, and that's just how they talk to friends. They have a bunch of motivational sayings that revolve around exaggeratedly killing large amounts of people.
Of all the things in the Marine Corp you could [sp]overreact[/sp] take offense to, why on earth would it be some dumb fucking flag that's used by one unit, probably in a joking manner?[/QUOTE]
Exactly, unless you've been through what they've been through you can't properly understand how they think.
When you're in a job where you can easily die you probably have a much better appreciate of black humor.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34642781]so either become one or stay out of our culture.[/QUOTE]
hahah
that's funny considering the US invades stuff.
"stay out of our culture."
hahahha
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;34645570]
Of all the things in the Marine Corp you could [sp]overreact[/sp] take offense to, why on earth would it be some dumb fucking flag that's used by one unit, probably in a joking manner?[/QUOTE]
well i take offense to the killing part.
that's pretty bad.
but i also think it's quite odd that i'm paying for these people to wear stuff completely anathema to my jewishness while killing people.
maybe that means i'm not part of the military culture.
but then again, there shouldn't be a military culture.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34642781]Scout Snipers have been using SS bolts for years, I think it's kinda funny that this came to a head so late. Shit there's tons of guys with SS bolts tattooed on their body and hundreds more who have pictures of them with them and no ones cried bitch until now. People don't understand military mentality, so either become one or stay out of our culture.[/QUOTE]
Fancy going into someone's house and breaking all of their shit while wearing a Hitler outfit then saying 'nah man that's just my style you wouldn't understand because you're not in the ~club~'. If you are out in other countries while representing your own (and yeah as the ones enforcing rule of law and combating the evils of the world you are representing your country's ideals), you can't tell people to ignore your culture if they don't like it.
[QUOTE=OvB;34624054]Nazi uniforms were damn fine. It's a shame they have to be associated with the whole Nazi thing.[/QUOTE]
Heavily agreed.
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
I mean come on.
Hugo Boss.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;34645888]Fancy going into someone's house and breaking all of their shit while wearing a Hitler outfit then saying 'nah man that's just my style you wouldn't understand because you're not in the ~club~'. If you are out in other countries while representing your own (and yeah as the ones enforcing rule of law and combating the evils of the world you are representing your country's ideals), you can't tell people to ignore your culture if they don't like it.[/QUOTE]
yeah i mean i pay taxes to fund these idiots so they can go around shooting people while wearing Nazi gear.
am i really out of touch when i say that's not something i wanna get associated with?
[QUOTE=thisispain;34645955]yeah i mean i pay taxes to fund these idiots so they can go around shooting people while wearing Nazi gear.
am i really out of touch when i say that's not something i wanna get associated with?[/QUOTE]
for some reason i don't think the whole nazi gear thing should be the issue. It should be pretty evident that they are not in fact actual nazis. Maybe it's dumb that they have that flag, but it's also pretty dumb that the only time there's serious controversy about the military is when they get photographic evidence of themselves doing stupid crap. If anything that flag has probably been in use for some time, and people need to pay more attention to what the military is doing.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34645955]yeah i mean i pay taxes to fund these idiots so they can go around shooting people while wearing Nazi gear.
am i really out of touch when i say that's not something i wanna get associated with?[/QUOTE]
I don't want my tax payer dollars going to the firehouse that has a swastika at the front :v:
[QUOTE=iFail;34646129]for some reason i don't think the whole nazi gear thing should be the issue. It should be pretty evident that they are not in fact actual nazis. Maybe it's dumb that they have that flag, but it's also pretty dumb that the only time there's serious controversy about the military is when they get photographic evidence of themselves doing stupid crap. If anything that flag has probably been in use for some time, and people need to pay more attention to what the military is doing.[/QUOTE]
who cares if it's evident?
we already look like invader forces to the arab world.
do we really need nazi symbols on top of that?
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646172]who cares if it's evident?
we already look like invader forces to the arab world.
do we really need nazi symbols on top of that?[/QUOTE]
No. That being said, it's still dumb that the only time the Marine Corps gets caught doing something retarded is when they upload the evidence to the internet [I]themselves[/I]. If you build up a military full of dudes who have been shooting faces overseas, maybe you should pay better attention to their shenanigans.
[QUOTE=Mabus;34623625]The symbol is ridiculously noticeable. If I wanted to find a flag for my "Scout Snipers" unit I wouldn't pick a bloody SS flag then make the argument, "well you know what I only thought the double lightning bolts looked cool because they could also be seen as a double S as in Scout Sniper lol" Don't play dumb.[/QUOTE]
What about the swastika? If I remember right it also means luck. People get butthurt over that symbol when they don't know the meaning, same thing here. The past is the past.. it's a god damn symbol.
Before I chime in with my two cents, I think I need to address something.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34624374]What if it was a confederate flag?[/QUOTE]
Don't even get started. What is inherently wrong with the confederate battle flag? The fact that you were indoctrinated in history class to believe that the American Civil War had anything to do with slavery - at all?
Here's the thing. The Emancipation proclamation was made in January of 1863. The war started 2 years before that. Why? Because Abraham Lincoln got elected. By all accounts, he was a tyrannical man that wanted to consolidate all of the political power in America around the Federal Government, as opposed to the, then, norm of a balance between the People, the State and Commonwealth governments, and the Federal Government. And now, it seems as if his plans of how things should be are coming to fruition.
But back to the Emancipation Proclamation. In late of 1862, support from the citizens of United States controlled territory for the war was waning. Think of it as about as popular as the Vietnam War. Various former Union strongholds, such as New York State, wanted to secede from the Union and join the Confederate States (a few places even did in New York, despite pressure from Abraham Lincoln's government, one of which never rejoined the Union [nor paid taxes for that matter] until 1945.)
So Abraham Lincoln thought that he might gain popular support for the war (and get rid of the possibility that European nations such as Britain would enter the war on the side of the Confederacy) by going from crushing a justifiable rebellion, to going on a crusade against slavery. So in January of 1863, he made the Emancipation Proclamation. But here's the kicker. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free the slaves in Union-held territory. It only demanded the release of all slaves owned by landowners in Confederate-held territory. Of course, being a law of a foreign country, the Confederacy ignored it.
Slaves (upwards of 800,000 of them...) weren't freed in Union-held territory until Late of 1865, when the 13th Amendment was adopted. Slaves in the Confederacy were freed months before that.
But, in short, the Confederate Battle Flag had nothing to do with racism or slavery at all. In contrast, it has much to do with the then, and currently ongoing fight against the Federal Government encroaching on the rights of the States, and the People. I dare even say that it has context in our current political situation.
If you're wondering why I wrote this long ass post, I hate to see people attack certain people or nations without doing their homework first. Being a southerner, this is especially true for people that think "Oh those rebel flags are bad, that means they hate black people..." The fact that (I assume) you believe this in some way or another just shows how successful Abraham Lincoln's popularity campaign really was. But please, don't in any way think that I'm trying to attack you. I just want you to be a little better informed before you propogate, quite frankly, incorrect and inaccurate representations of history.
But I strongly urge you to not take my, or anyone else you've learned from's word on this subject. Get out there, do some fact-finding, and draw your own conclusions. Don't just blindly criticize things based on misconceptions and indoctrination.
Sources: I'm a history buff, self-proclaimed grognard, and southerner. Oh, and don't forget about TIME.
But now that that shit's out of the way... I do have to say that they should have known better. Though I'm not offended by the symbol, I'm sure there are others out there that would be -quite- offended by it.
But I think it's a shame that people have to worry if something looks like something offensive. It really says a lot about our global society as a whole. People are irrationally afraid of doing anything that might come across as racist, and feel the need to bash the ever living hell out of something that appears even remotely racist or bigoted. Thanks, Hitler.
[B]EDIT[/B]: Oh, and before you get started, my avatar is the flag of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi"]my state[/URL], hung vertically, cropped squarely.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34646686]
But, in short, the Confederate Battle Flag had nothing to do with racism or slavery at all. In contrast, it has much to do with the then, and currently ongoing fight against the Federal Government encroaching on the rights of the States, and the People. I dare even say that it has context in our current political situation.
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yep, you're a real history buff alright.
so then i'm sure you've heard of the Cornerstone Speech.
[quote] Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech[/url]
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646740]yep, you're a real history buff alright.
so then i'm sure you've heard of the Cornerstone Speech.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech[/url][/QUOTE]
Yes, I am. but what you're saying is tantamount to saying that the American Colonies' casus belli for the Revolution was solely derived from the tax placed on tea.
I'll definitely admit I may have spiked my statement in one way or another.
Of course the American Civil War derived some of its justification from the fact that people knew Abraham Lincoln had an abolitionist agenda. But I will say this. The Union did not fight the confederacy over slavery, nor did the confederacy secede for slavery alone. It was but a variable in the equation.
I'd also be more than willing to bet that the Cornerstone Speech was given purely for appeal of white landowners. Slavery was common in the southern states, let's admit it. If you were a political entity trying to garner the appeal of the people that mattered (the wealthy, who happened to be white slave owners. Take care to interpret this as Wealth is what matters, and not race,) you'd most likely do the same thing since no one would really oppose it, yet an overwhelming majority would support it.
This speech virtually guaranteed them the support of the land-owning, white citizens of this new sovereign entity - something they would, for sure, need.
[QUOTE=JeffAndersen;34646380]What about the swastika? If I remember right it also means luck. People get butthurt over that symbol when they don't know the meaning, same thing here. The past is the past.. it's a god damn symbol.[/QUOTE]
Except the Swastika is associated with the genocide of 6 million Jews, I wouldn't say it's a very lucky symbol.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34646818]Yes, I am. but what you're saying is tantamount to saying that the American Colonies' casus belli for the Revolution was solely derived from the tax placed on tea.[/QUOTE]
the "casus belli"?
well it wasn't just tax placed on tea.
it was the other taxes too.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646879]the "casus belli"?
well it wasn't just tax placed on tea.
it was the other taxes too.[/QUOTE]
Casus Belli - An offence against another sovereign entity which gives said sovereign entity justification for war.
As you say it wasn't just the tax placed on tea, I posit that it wasn't just slavery. Understand now?
But yeah, we should probably take this to Mass Debate if you feel like a debate. I feel like we're derailing this topic. Boy, I haven't made a fool of myself defending something so apparently evil, at first glance, in quite a while.
no, because that kind of contradicts the fact that the Southern leaders said they were rebelling because of slavery.
unless that was also pro-Lincoln propaganda but i think that election campaign has passed
[QUOTE=thisispain;34646928]no, because that kind of contradicts the fact that the Southern leaders said they were rebelling because of slavery.
unless that was also pro-Lincoln propaganda but i think that election campaign has passed[/QUOTE]
I haven't denied one time since our engagement in debate that Abraham Lincoln's abolitionist agenda wasn't a factor in the secession of the southern states.
But, I do say this. Abraham Lincoln supported abolition. He supported Federalism and combatted States' Rights. And most of all, he thought he was above following the processes of government just because it suited him. Three strikes. In response to his clenching of the election, the states seceded.
I find that it's reasonable to assume that had Lincoln only possessed one of these qualities, and not all three, that the civil war would have never happened, and that slavery would have been eventually abolished during his term. However, he possessed many qualities which were in direct opposition to the political ideals of many southern states. Only one of which was having an abolitionist agenda.
It was this perfect storm of qualities that led to the secession of the southern states.
But that being said, I'm glad the end (abolition of slavery) came. War wasn't the best means to this end, but it did the job. I'd hate to be wrong on this and live in a world where slavery still exists in the Confederate States: After all, I'm not White.
but you're just focusing on Lincoln.
that doesn't really mean that the confederate flag isn't a symbol of a nation that rebelled from the US because it wanted to keep slaves.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34645709]
but then again, there shouldn't be a military culture.[/QUOTE]
In a perfect world there shouldn't be a military period, but that's not the case.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34647012]but you're just focusing on Lincoln.
that doesn't really mean that the confederate flag isn't a symbol of a nation that rebelled from the US because it wanted to keep slaves.[/QUOTE]
I really don't want to make comparisons because there aren't very many that wouldn't make me look like a completely racist, redneck retard.
But suffice it to say that this: The fight was over the right to own, what was at that time, property; among other things. We can't look at it through our modern eyes. OF course it's evil and bigoted now, but in their eyes they were fighting for the right to own a certain type of property, the rights of states to self determination, and for a republic that wasn't ruled by, essentially, strongmen.
But yes, before I make myself look like a bigoted asshat through further rebuttals, I'll concede. I do admit that you raise valid points, but they're only valid by today's standards.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34647118]In a perfect world there shouldn't be a military period, but that's not the case.[/QUOTE]
In a perfect world, people wouldn't be offended by symbols, gestures, words, and signs. In a perfect world there wouldn't be more than one political entity, nor would there be such irrelevant and archaic social constructs such as race and ethnicity. So where's this perfect world we speak of? Sounds like somewhere I'd like to live.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34647118]In a perfect world there shouldn't be a military period, but that's not the case.[/QUOTE]
i'm not talking about a perfect world, i'm talking about treating soldiers like expendable cattle.
The US Americans pretty much are the Nazis of our time. It's a lot more sugarcoated, but overall the opinions and ideologies are eerily similar.
[QUOTE=V12US;34647531]The US Americans pretty much are the Nazis of our time. It's a lot more sugarcoated, but overall the opinions and ideologies are eerily similar.[/QUOTE]
what a load of shit.
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