"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Could be Around for a While Longer - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Phoenix Ashes;24964098]I think American needs to move back to traditional values. The nation must enforce these timeless values over the mindless propaganda of modern media, such as violent and promiscous television and videogames. And a central part of this moral revival is the morale of our armed forces, the pride and honour of our country. They are called men for a reason.[/QUOTE] This is an amazing fakepost. Many could learn from its masterful subtlety.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;24966279]but there are gay people in the military already they just haven't been ousted. so clearly gay people CAN do military jobs[/QUOTE] That's not really fair to say. What if all the closet gays were ousted..then we could see if the combat effectiveness increases or decreases. If gays are allowed to serve in combat positions, then women should too. So I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24966422]Gay people are not normal people..they are an oddity of nature. Humans are animals, and it is in their very nature to want to reproduce with the opposite sex. We know very little about homosexuality, and some say it's a choice while others say it is hardwired. If it's hardwired then it's a mutation.[/QUOTE] Your eye color could be a fucking mutation, just because it's a mutation doesn't mean it's bad. Hell homosexuality might even be a way of fucking population control.

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24966522]That's not really fair to say. What if all the closet gays were ousted..then we could see if the combat effectiveness increases or decreases.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting that they remake the Spartacus ending?

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24966422]Gay people are not normal people..they are an oddity of nature. Humans are animals, and it is in their very nature to want to reproduce with the opposite sex. We know very little about homosexuality, and some say it's a choice while others say it is hardwired. If it's hardwired then it's a mutation.[/QUOTE] gay people is the earth's condom and a direct fuck you to people who thinks its a good idea to have six kids with dead-end jobs. in fact, if the half of africa went gay, there goes your rape crisis and famine. and you do realize gay people has been here since the ancient times like rome? and you do realize other animals can be gay as well? it's been observed several times. as well, they pretty much kick fucking ass [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes[/url] badass motherfuckers that wrecked shit and they were made up from all homosexual couples.

Here's a fun fact: the defense bill that contained the proposed ban on the "don't ask, don't tell" policy also contained provisions established in the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (DREAM Act), a piece of legislation that would have granted illegal immigrants who have graduated from high school in the United States and who are of "good moral character" the opportunity to "earn" full citizenship. Throwing the proposal to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in a defense appropriations bill along with something as controversial as illegal immigration was bad politics, and was just asking for Republican opposition.

[QUOTE=bigbigzubra;24966459]Explain to me how they are not normal people and I might take this seriously[/QUOTE] I just did... being attracted to another male is completely wrong and backwards. There should be no physical attraction to the same gender. We are attracted to the other sex based on how potentially fertile they are. Men are attracted to wide hips, big boobs, etc because it shows fertility. Men that are attracted to other men should not be attracted to each other because they show none of those characteristics. You obviously can't have a baby with another man because they don't have ovaries, so why be attracted to them? This is the whole basis of sexuality, it's the reason we have sexual reproductive parts. If we were suppose to be gay then females wouldn't exist, and neither would we. We have these tools for a reason, and that's the insurance that the human race will thrive and live on. That is the purpose of life, and that's how life came to exist. If you are gay then you are obviously not normal. However I will say that couples that decide not to have kids are in the same boat, but they at least have physical attraction to each other. Look all over the animal kingdom, there aren't mating seasons for shits and giggles.

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24966823]I just did... being attracted to another male is completely wrong and backwards. There should be no physical attraction to the same gender. We are attracted to the other sex based on how potentially fertile they are. Men are attracted to wide hips, big boobs, etc because it shows fertility. Men that are attracted to other men should not be attracted to each other because they show none of those characteristics. You obviously can't have a baby with another man because they don't have ovaries, so why be attracted to them? This is the whole basis of sexuality, it's the reason we have sexual reproductive parts. If we were suppose to be gay then females wouldn't exist, and neither would we. We have these tools for a reason, and that's the insurance that the human race will thrive and live on. That is the purpose of life, and that's how life came to exist. If you are gay then you are obviously not normal.[/QUOTE]Yes because we are all as dumb as monkeys and we MUST fuck every female we see to ensure the species doesn't die out overnight- Oh wait, that's right, I forgot: the human race are no longer a group of neanderthals with a life expectancy of 18 years. Therefore, primitive instincts no longer govern us.

[QUOTE=R3mix;24966222]You can't blame a man for another mans opinion. Freedom of Thought and Opinion man. Anywho, they need to pass the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, it's unconstitutional in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Fact: Obama has the power to suspend the law from being used right now. It was his nominee that gave firepower to republicans and his repeated lack of interest in LGBT rights proves he's not exactly dedicated toward human rights.

[QUOTE=Sir M;24963060]But, they get more soldiers to throw into Afghanistan get killed, its all good right?[/QUOTE] don't ask, don't tell

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24966823]*Ignorant shitspray*[/QUOTE]So that's why there's gay animals.

Everyone is acting like Gay men want to fuck every guy they see, They're not sex crazed animals. Sure it might be awkward fighting next to one, but he doesn't have to be all "I'M GAY GUYS, LOOK I'M GAY LOOK!" And if he's not I really see no problem.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;24966940]Yes because we are all as dumb as monkeys and we MUST fuck every female we see to ensure the species doesn't die out overnight- Oh wait, that's right, I forgot: the human race are no longer a group of neanderthals with a life expectancy of 18 years. Therefore, primitive instincts no longer govern us.[/QUOTE] Yea because thousands of years of evolution can be erased by the last 300 years of civilization...get real. You're primitive instincts guide you daily. You may want to lose a few pounds but you still become hungry, even if you have fat to spare. Females still grow hair on their legs, even if they as a gender have been shaving regularly for 200+ years. You or I may want our armpit hair to stop regrowing, but guess what we have no control over that. Black people have migrated all over the world, yet as they move farther away from the equator they don't lose pigment and become white. Just because there are enough humans doesn't mean you should start fucking men.

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;24966969]Fact: Obama has the power to suspend the law from being used right now. It was his nominee that gave firepower to republicans and his repeated lack of interest in LGBT rights proves he's not exactly dedicated toward human rights.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Wikipedia] There has been repeated insertions of "By way of contrast, Harry Truman eliminated racial segretion[1] by executive order (9981, 1948), several years before the main civil rights movement and legislation in the 1960s." There is no source for the relevancy of this "contrast", and it is clearly editorial spin. One could just as easily say "By way of contrast, Harry Truman never even paid lip service to doing anything for gay servicemembers." --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC) I removed this again, the comparison is not in the source and not very fitting: Truman could act without an act of Congress, Obama must wait for Congress to act (there is criticisim that he doesn't do much to support liftig the ban but that's not what was discussed in the paragraph). Hekerui (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC) Why do you believe that the situation is different for Obama than it was for Truman? You appear to be confused about the nature of the US Constitution, the role of the Commander In Chief, and the extent of the advise and consent powers of the Senate. If anything it should have been harder for Truman. Race segregation affected many more individuals and the country was not as far along on it in 1948 as it is on homosexual rights at the end of the 2000s. As usual however, I don't engage in streit with wiki editors. Also "spin" is a term indicating a perspective, an obvious one in this case since the parallels are self evident. You may be confused by the fact that unlike Truman, who acted in his capacity as CIC, Obama has chosen to lump this with a lot of other legislative sausage which is why it's being debated in the Senate, together with a lot of other crap bundled into a single large piece being extruded by that body. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 21:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC) Yes, yes, we understand the spin you're trying to put on it. That you consider it "obvious" does not make it appropriate. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC) That and why you consider a compare and contrast, highly appropriate for wiki, "spin" is no less obvious. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 22:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC) [/QUOTE] Think that might interest you. Came straight from Wikipedia discussions.

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24967186]Yea because thousands of years of evolution can be erased by the last 300 years of civilization...get real. You're primitive instincts guide you daily. You may want to lose a few pounds but you still become hungry, even if you have fat to spare. Females still grow hair on their legs, even if they as a gender have been shaving regularly for 200+ years. You or I may want our armpit hair to stop regrowing, but guess what we have no control over that. Black people have migrated all over the world, yet as they move farther away from the equator they don't lose pigment and become white.[/QUOTE] Our social instincts certainly have evolved though.

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24966823]-snip-[/QUOTE] There are gay animals too. [editline]05:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Asswipe;24964918]Lets use a bit of algebra here. If A=b and b=c then a=c A Represents Woman, B Represents man, C represents gay man. So, Gay man = Woman. Fuck gay people. [/QUOTE] Gay =/= Woman. Your stereotype about sex/gender is completely outdated, Asswipe.

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24967186]Yea because thousands of years of evolution can be erased by the last 300 years of civilization...get real. You're primitive instincts guide you daily. You may want to lose a few pounds but you still become hungry, even if you have fat to spare. Females still grow hair on their legs, even if they as a gender have been shaving regularly for 200+ years. You or I may want our armpit hair to stop regrowing, but guess what we have no control over that. Black people have migrated all over the world, yet as they move farther away from the equator they don't lose pigment and become white. Just because there are enough humans doesn't mean you should start fucking men.[/QUOTE] because for every one couple, there's hundred more gays? gays are the minorities, they're not suddenly going to bring human extinction, and people with octopus mom around, i don't expect us to be. honestly, u using our primal instincts as a justifiable cause to discriminate people is one of the hilarious thing i've ever heard. now, im going to club men and take their women, it's in our primal insinct.

I know their are gay animals, but instead of calling them gay I would say that they have homosexual tendencies. I don't believe you can be fully gay and be normal. I can't imagine another animal having sex with only the same gender. Wouldn't there be no point in it? I don't see why everyone is getting pissed off. I'm not gay so I can't see this subject from your perspective. It would be impossible, just like me imagining what it must be like to be able to fly since I've never done it. The bottom line is that we all have choices. If your choice is to be gay, and the military's choice is to not allow gays then you also have the choice to look for another career. They are the minorities, and that's what makes it so spectacular. Most of us are straight, so what makes someone gay? Is it their choice to be gay or something internal?

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24967645]I know their are gay animals, but instead of calling them gay I would say that they have homosexual tendencies. I don't believe you can be fully gay and be normal. I can't imagine another animal having sex with only the same gender. Wouldn't there be no point in it? I don't see why everyone is getting pissed off. I'm not gay so I can't see this subject from your perspective. It would be impossible, just like me imagining what it must be like to be able to fly since I've never done it. The bottom line is that we all have choices. [highlight]If your choice is to be gay[/highlight], and the military's choice is to not allow gays then you also have the choice to look for another career.[/QUOTE] Being gay isn't a choice.

[QUOTE=Lick;24967738]Being gay isn't a choice.[/QUOTE] here we go

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24967645]I know their are gay animals, but instead of calling them gay I would say that they have homosexual tendencies. I don't believe you can be fully gay and be normal. I can't imagine another animal having sex with only the same gender. Wouldn't there be no point in it? I don't see why everyone is getting pissed off. I'm not gay so I can't see this subject from your perspective. It would be impossible, just like me imagining what it must be like to be able to fly since I've never done it. The bottom line is that we all have choices. If your choice is to be gay, and the military's choice is to not allow gays then you also have the choice to look for another career.[/QUOTE] ahahaha, double standards, and i'm pretty sure gays are normal as everybody else. they piss, they eat, they pay taxes, and etc. and we're getting 'pissed off' because we don't like people's right being infringed, especially on the behalf of the government. a lot of people here whose saying they're for gay rights aren't even gay. and in fact, if you don't know what's it's like, who are you to say how gays should live or how they should be discriminated? and being gay isn't a choice. in fact, try liking men, [b]right now[/b]. you can't do it because you're talking out of your ass. as well, the military is part of the government, by denying gays, they're discriminating against sexual orientation, just like how the military discriminated against blacks and japanese for 'weakening morale'.

Can't we all just come together and laugh at the idiots who run the USA?

[QUOTE=nevaeh;24967186]Yea because thousands of years of evolution can be erased by the last 300 years of civilization...get real. You're primitive instincts guide you daily. You may want to lose a few pounds but you still become hungry, even if you have fat to spare. Females still grow hair on their legs, even if they as a gender have been shaving regularly for 200+ years. You or I may want our armpit hair to stop regrowing, but guess what we have no control over that. Black people have migrated all over the world, yet as they move farther away from the equator they don't lose pigment and become white. Just because there are enough humans doesn't mean you should start fucking men.[/QUOTE] Growing hair and skin color has nothing to do with instinct.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes[/url] A bunch of faggots in an army huh?

[QUOTE=Phoenix Ashes;24964341]I do think all women and homosexuals shouldn't join the army because only men can cohesively and accurately do high performance high stress tasks such as deicison making and combat.[/QUOTE] Yep get out of here

[QUOTE=Doriol;24967764]here we go[/QUOTE] The shitstorm started on the first page. You're late to the party.

[QUOTE=Doriol;24967764]here we go[/QUOTE] i don't see how anyone can even argue that it isn't a choice, all it takes is knowing one gay person and asking them if they chose to be gay, and they'll ALWAYS say they didn't chose it.

[QUOTE=bigbigzubra;24967850]Can't we all just come together and laugh at the idiots who run the USA?[/QUOTE] No. Because not everyone involved in our country's government is an idiot.

[QUOTE=Asswipe;24964918]Lets use a bit of algebra here. If A=b and b=c then a=c A Represents Woman, B Represents man, C represents gay man. So, Gay man = Woman. Fuck gay people.[/QUOTE] You are attracted to Women. Gay Men are Women. Therefor you are attracted to Gay Men.

[QUOTE=x-quake;24967995]No. Because not everyone involved in our country's government is an idiot.[/QUOTE] I never stated that everyone involved in the country's government was an idiot. I was referring mainly to politicians