I don't mind the idea, I mind the execution.
Mainly, doesn't it make sense for the tax rate to be the rate of the state where the retailer resides, and not where the customer resides? I mean, the item is being sold from a certain location, and the location where it resides when it is sold should define what the tax rate is, shouldn't it?
Every physical store is subject to sales tax, it makes no sense that online goods should be any exception and all that loophole does is hurt brick/click and mortar business and decrease government tax income, which is not a good thing when local businesses and governments are both struggling for cash. It makes no sense that online shops are above sales tax and this loophole does need to be closed.
Also: at least where I live sales tax is 6 cents on the dollar, you're making way too big a deal of that.
Also also: this bill does not mandate online sales tax, it just makes it legal for states to require them from online retailers that sell within their state without a physical presence there.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;40554086]lol you have no idea
plenty of small businesses have had to close because of payroll taxes
even if they dont close, it requires to cut back employees and/or hours
you even have to pay business taxes even after you close the business[/QUOTE]That's nice, but what business has closed due to sales tax, 'cause you know, those are the taxes that are at issue, here.
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Even though I do take issue with the tax coming from where the customer resides, not the state of where the business operates from.
The real problem I have with bills like this, underlying reasons excluded, is that instead of fixing their own spending problems or perhaps finding worthwhile sources of revenue, they instead attack one of the few means of saving a few dollars here and there that is available to a large majority of people. I mean, shit, if they legalized marijuana and started producing hemp, imagine the absolutely massive boom in economy that could be achieved with cheap textile, fuel, and nutrients readily available to the public. But nope; instead, let's just tax the citizens more.
[QUOTE=Aetna;40554253]The real problem I have with bills like this, underlying reasons excluded, is that instead of fixing their own spending problems or perhaps finding worthwhile sources of revenue, they instead attack one of the few means of saving a few dollars here and there that is available to a large majority of people. I mean, shit, if they legalized marijuana and started producing hemp, imagine the absolutely massive boom in economy that could be achieved with cheap textile, fuel, and nutrients readily available to the public. But nope; instead, let's just tax the citizens more.[/QUOTE]
Again, if it was patching loopholes the rich used, facepunch would be all for it. But if it affects them? NOPE
[QUOTE=Aetna;40554253]The real problem I have with bills like this, underlying reasons excluded, is that instead of fixing their own spending problems or perhaps finding worthwhile sources of revenue, they instead attack one of the few means of saving a few dollars here and there that is available to a large majority of people. I mean, shit, if they legalized marijuana and started producing hemp, imagine the absolutely massive boom in economy that could be achieved with cheap textile, fuel, and nutrients readily available to the public. But nope; instead, let's just tax the citizens more.[/QUOTE]
I mean, okay, yeah, the government has a spending problem, but they aren't trying to get around it by squeezing a couple nickels out of each person who buys shit online...
[QUOTE=JayFeather1337;40554305]Again, if it was patching loopholes the rich used, facepunch would be all for it. But if it affects them? NOPE[/QUOTE]
being for limiting an out of control upper class that continues to distance itself from the poor but being against impacting the middle and working class with taxes that only exist so that people stop showrooming in walmart so that that same upper class can make even more money?
lol ok
Reasons why I like going to school in Delaware, no sales tax. Though I occasionally get charged for it online because my billing address is back in New York, which bothers me. I've lived in Delaware for 2 years now, but since I don't have a permanent address here, I'm not actually a technical resident...
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;40554339]being for limiting an out of control upper class that continues to distance itself from the poor but being against impacting the middle and working class with taxes that only exist so that people stop showrooming in walmart so that that same upper class can make even more money?
lol ok[/QUOTE]Patching loopholes is only good as long as it doesn't hit me, is what I see.
how do you guys be for so many government funded programs such as universal health care, safety nets, and etc.
then be against measures to make sure those programs are funded lol
[QUOTE=Aetna;40554253]The real problem I have with bills like this, underlying reasons excluded, is that instead of fixing their own spending problems or perhaps finding worthwhile sources of revenue, they instead attack one of the few means of saving a few dollars here and there that is available to a large majority of people. [b]I mean, shit, if they legalized marijuana and started producing hemp, imagine the absolutely massive boom in economy that could be achieved with cheap textile, fuel, and nutrients readily available to the public.[/b] But nope; instead, let's just tax the citizens more.[/QUOTE]
Legalizing pot will [b]literally[/b] save America
[QUOTE=GunFox;40553366]I am yet again pleased that I live in Montana, which has no sales tax.
Sucks for businesses based here though, they aren't equipped to handle sales tax, much less the sales tax for every state in the Union.[/QUOTE]
My brother lives in Montana, what city are you in (near).
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;40553724]Haha people are seriously acting like this is somehow unjust
Come on people. Sure it's annoying but why on earth should online be sales be exempt from taxes when physical sales aren't?[/QUOTE]
It isn't unjust, it mean it was abound to happen. But it still sucks dick.
Fuck, fuck, fuck. I don't want to pay any more to my asshole Republican state representatives, they'll just give it right back as further tax cuts for rich people like they do for all new revenue.
I just dropped $250 on a pair of monitors from Newegg, I don't wanna fucking pay 7% on top of that, on top of shipping. Shipping IS internet sales tax, nothing will be worth ordering when it has shipping AND tax heaped on it.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40554838]Fuck, fuck, fuck. I don't want to pay any more to my asshole Republican state representatives, they'll just give it right back as further tax cuts for rich people like they do for all new revenue.
I just dropped $250 on a pair of monitors from Newegg, I don't wanna fucking pay 7% on top of that, on top of shipping. Shipping IS internet sales tax, nothing will be worth ordering when it has shipping AND tax heaped on it.[/QUOTE]
This logic can be applied to any tax ever.
"Shit shit shit I don't want to pay 7% tax on my Hersheys bar to go to my corrupt representative!"
[QUOTE=IKTM;40552990]I think it was a loophole; one that they are evidently working on closing.[/QUOTE]
The only reason they're doing this is because retailers have been bitching and moaning for years that e-tailers are undercutting their bottom line. brick and mortar stores have been lobbying and spreading misinformation for years to try and get e-tailers to pay sales tax.
Retailers seriously need to shut the hell up. Places like Worstbuy charge ridiculous markup (30-60%) to support their terribly outdated and inefficient business strategy.
[QUOTE=IKTM;40553270]In case you hadn't noticed, the U.S. government is a bit strapped for cash right now. They need as much tax revenue as they can get. Closing a loophole that allowed people to bypass sales tax is in no way arbitrary.[/QUOTE]
lol. Why would anyone in their right mind go out of their way to give extra support to an insolvent government run by retarded children that only care about their own agenda while the entire country suffers?
We don't need to be giving them more money, as they've shown time and time again they completely lack the sense to manage it properly. I'm not going to have more of my tax dollars going into black hole slush funds that do nothing to benefit the country.
And legislation like this is only the beginning of the iceberg. You give a politician a tool and they'll exploit the fuck out of it. First it's only collecting sales tax for the state, and before you know it, the federal government stacks another tax on top of it and then slowly starts increasing the rate of the tax to extract more and more income.
Sucks for people who live in places that have sales tax :v:
good thing the government has absolutely no investment in video games because "rising prices" isn't very high on the list of "things that drive people away from piracy" : )
[QUOTE=bohb;40554968]The only reason they're doing this is because retailers have been bitching and moaning for years that e-tailers are undercutting their bottom line. brick and mortar stores have been lobbying and spreading misinformation for years to try and get e-tailers to pay sales tax.
Retailers seriously need to shut the hell up. Places like Worstbuy charge ridiculous markup (30-60%) to support their terribly outdated and inefficient business strategy.
lol. Why would anyone in their right mind go out of their way to give extra support to an insolvent government run by retarded children that only care about their own agenda while the entire country suffers?
We don't need to be giving them more money, as they've shown time and time again they completely lack the sense to manage it properly. I'm not going to have more of my tax dollars going into black hole slush funds that do nothing to benefit the country.
And legislation like this is only the beginning of the iceberg. You give a politician a tool and they'll exploit the fuck out of it. First it's only collecting sales tax for the state, and before you know it, the federal government stacks another tax on top of it and then slowly starts increasing the rate of the tax to extract more and more income.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Also I don't want to pay any income or property tax because it just goes into the black hole of the government. I shouldn't have to pay any taxes because it all goes to waste. I will continue to reap the benefits of government such as safety and education, however.
[QUOTE=G71tc4;40555083]good thing the government has absolutely no investment in video games because "rising prices" isn't very high on the list of "things that drive people away from piracy" : )[/QUOTE]
A few extra dollars tacked onto a bill is a drop in the bucket compared to what the gaming industry has already done for itself with shitty business practices.
[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40555108]You're right. Also I don't want to pay any income or property tax because it just goes into the black hole of the government. I shouldn't have to pay any taxes because it all goes to waste. I will continue to reap the benefits of government such as safety and education, however.[/QUOTE]
Education what now? Safety what?
Public schools have been a bad joke for decades. The only thing they teach you is carefully crafted and heavily censored topics to protect your young and delicate mind. They also *teach* you that you should always obey authority, even if authority is wrong and always accept the outcome.
Wikipedia teaches you more about the world in a few hours of reading than 12 years of public school will ever teach you.
I also don't really know what you mean by "safety". Are you talking about police? They don't do anything other than clean up after the fact. They don't prevent accidents, or murders, or rape or any other crime. Most of their time is spent chasing people after the fact.
[QUOTE=bohb;40554968]The only reason they're doing this is because retailers have been bitching and moaning for years that e-tailers are undercutting their bottom line. brick and mortar stores have been lobbying and spreading misinformation for years to try and get e-tailers to pay sales tax.
Retailers seriously need to shut the hell up. Places like Worstbuy charge ridiculous markup (30-60%) to support their terribly outdated and inefficient business strategy.
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This is my primary opposition, apart from just not wanting to eat a price hike. This is clearly not about revenues or it would have happened ages ago, it's about protectionism for outdated retailers that are having their giant markups undercut by internet stores. I just honestly have no desire to fight through the crowd at a big box store, wait in line at a cash register, and pay 20% more than I should just to prop up an aging, outdated business model.
I live in Oregon, we don't have sales tax. Sorry, we don't need a federal sales tax on online sales. This is going to start an uninformed and idiotic use of sales tax by lazy businesses. Most businesses will probably just do a "shotgun" style tax and tax everyone.
Our local government hemorrhages money on worthless pedestrian bridges and bicycle paths which the newest of them is obnoxiously lit up with red neon lights over the highway and cost something like 15 million dollars and isn't even fucking used. Now we have a 5 cent tax on paper bags and every form of plastic bag has been banned from stores. I would never vote on a sales tax on this horribly managed state, our roads are going to shit and we build some stupid fucking pedestrian bridge or bikepath every year or two which costs at least 4 million a pop.
They've also been trying to ruin pretty much the entire main thoroughfare in this town by removing one lane each way to put in a shit ass bus lane on streets which if anything need to be widened due to the poor planning and design of them in the first place and 20-30 minute 1/2 mile trip during high traffic in a town of 100k people. What's the cost which we're gonna have to pay for something that literally not a single business/property owner on these streets actually want? 100 million.
They really have the balls to waste all this money on shit pedestrian projects which have plenty of upkeep costs for shit that nobody uses.
Our government doesn't need more money, it needs to stop wasting it elsewhere. I had a buddy who got hired on by a company for a temp job that was paying their workers $32 an hour to setup office equipment in a new county building. There were some rumors going around that the company was charging the county $60+ an hour on all of them for the job that was 9-5 for a whole month which on a regular job paid them just above minimum.
[QUOTE=bohb;40555215]Education what now? Safety what?
Public schools have been a bad joke for decades. The only thing they teach you is carefully crafted and heavily censored topics to protect your young and delicate mind. They also *teach* you that you should always obey authority, even if authority is wrong and always accept the outcome.
Wikipedia teaches you more about the world in a few hours of reading than 12 years of public school will ever teach you.
I also don't really know what you mean by "safety". Are you talking about police? They don't do anything other than clean up after the fact. They don't prevent accidents, or murders, or rape or any other crime. Most of their time is spent chasing people after the fact.[/QUOTE]
So you would rather no public schools or police? What about firemen, or safety regulations, or research, or any kind of public infrastructure?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40555235]This is my primary opposition, apart from just not wanting to eat a price hike. This is clearly not about revenues or it would have happened ages ago, it's about protectionism for outdated retailers that are having their giant markups undercut by internet stores. I just honestly have no desire to fight through the crowd at a big box store, wait in line at a cash register, and pay 20% more than I should just to prop up an aging, outdated business model.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it unfair competition if online retailers are only winning out because they're untaxed though? That sounds like physical retailers fighting for level ground.
I'm really pissed off with the Senate. They've been passing a lot of bad things lately.
Glad the House is putting up a fight though.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;40555264]I live in Oregon, we don't have sales tax. Sorry, we don't need a federal sales tax on online sales. This is going to start an uninformed and idiotic use of sales tax by lazy businesses. Most businesses will probably just do a "shotgun" style tax and tax everyone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The Marketplace Fairness Act, which easily cleared a set of procedural Senate votes in recent weeks, wouldn't technically impose any new taxes. Instead, it would give state governments the ability to collect Internet sales taxes from businesses headquartered outside of their respective state borders...[/QUOTE]
All it does is let states collect sales tax from sales on the Internet. If you live in Oregon (like I do) then absolutely nothing will change (if I understand it correctly).
There is absolutely zero federal sales tax being introduced here.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;40555362]I'm really pissed off with the Senate. They've been passing a lot of bad things lately.
Glad the House is putting up a fight though.[/QUOTE]
Whining about taxes and supporting the House? Facepunch swings like a pendulum when it's their vidya money at stake.
[QUOTE=bohb;40555215]Education what now? Safety what?
Public schools have been a bad joke for decades. The only thing they teach you is carefully crafted and heavily censored topics to protect your young and delicate mind. They also *teach* you that you should always obey authority, even if authority is wrong and always accept the outcome.
Wikipedia teaches you more about the world in a few hours of reading than 12 years of public school will ever teach you.
I also don't really know what you mean by "safety". Are you talking about police? They don't do anything other than clean up after the fact. They don't prevent accidents, or murders, or rape or any other crime. Most of their time is spent chasing people after the fact.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I didn't know I was talking to a fringe conspiracy theorist.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;40555458]Whining about taxes and supporting the House? Facepunch swings like a pendulum when it's their vidya money at stake.[/QUOTE]
I'm the token right-winger on Facepunch. What I say is hardly indicative of Facepunch as a whole so shut your mouth.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;40555513]I'm the token right-winger on Facepunch. What I say is hardly indicative of Facepunch as a whole so shut your mouth.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, my point still stands looking at the rest of the thread.
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