Trump's six-month approval rating plummets to a record low
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every time i see this thread title, i question if i'd already read it before but i suppose i shouldn't be surprised that it's a new thread, yet again
it's funny seeing so many people in my life who vehemently supported his run now calling him a nut
He can probably only lose another 8-10 points to reach his absolute floor.
[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;52477194]He can probably only lose another 8-10 points to reach his absolute floor.[/QUOTE]
Nonsense! He can end up going even lower if he starts desperately pandering to minorities to save face, thus losing him the "insane neonazi mental gymnast" demographic.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;52477252]Nonsense! He can end up going even lower if he starts desperately pandering to minorities to save face, thus losing him the "insane neonazi mental gymnast" demographic.[/QUOTE]
The people that hang on at the absolute floor don't have that level of conviction. They would change their opinions to fit with whatever Trump did.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52476133]Source: [URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-six-month-approval-rating-plummets-to-a-record-low-2017-7[/URL]
Poll: [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/07/16/National-Politics/Polling/release_480.xml?tid=a_inl[/URL]
The President's response
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/886588838902206464[/media][/QUOTE]
Fitting for Trump to be the biggest loser in 70 years. Imagine setting the new standard for shit. Generations of future crappy politicians have a lot to live up to.
[QUOTE=Marcolade;52477016]Maybe not a level that triggers impeachment, but does at least something. Maybe at like, below 30% approval we have Congress start being more investigative and wary over said President's actions.[/quote]
They'll do that of their own accord if they feel it's necessary. If you try to force it through regulation in a scenario where they're thinking "this is stupid, he made the right decision, people are idiots", it'll have effectively no impact.
[quote]Or (and to be honest even I wouldn't be too sure of this one) possibly even temporarily revoking ability to pass executive orders or something. But something should be done if enough of the population feel their leader isn't performing their job to a satisfactory level.[/QUOTE]
Let's go back to the Truman example. Take away the President's ability to issue EOs in a time of war? Bad fucking idea.
Trump is terrible, but we need to accept that if we want him out, we're going to have to wait until either 2020 or impeachment does it to him.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52476146]For the record, the ABC/WaPo poll got the election to within 2 points[/QUOTE]
Yea, on the last day of it. maybe this argument would carry more weight if they were right from the start.
Bash me if you must, but I'm with Trump in not Trusting ABC's Poll. ABC has a goal of Removing Tump by any means possible including using manipulated ore heavily weighted polls to affect public opinion.
Has anyone dug into this poll to get the details of it?
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478238]Yea, on the last day of it. maybe this argument would carry more weight if they were right from the start.[/QUOTE]
?????
from the start? you mean a fucking year away? ridiculous
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478238]Bash me if you must, but I'm with Trump in not Trusting ABC's Poll. ABC has a goal of Removing Tump by any means possible including using manipulated ore heavily weighted polls to affect public opinion.
Has anyone dug into this poll to get the details of it?[/QUOTE]
Wait, you're complaining [I]ABC[/I] is some ultra-left fact-warping conspiracy?
Like, I can understand not trusting CNN or WaPo polls, they're pretty clearly on the left. But ABC? The one owned by Disney? I'd say they're the least biased of the big four news stations in America - CNN is too far left, Fox is too far right (and gives no fucks about facts anymore), and Trump has a grudge against NBC since The Apprentice and I wouldn't trust them to be perfectly fair to him (since he's being way unfair to them).
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478238]Bash me if you must, but I'm with Trump in not Trusting ABC's Poll. ABC has a goal of Removing Tump by any means possible including using manipulated ore heavily weighted polls to affect public opinion.
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*Citation needed
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478238]Yea, on the last day of it. maybe this argument would carry more weight if they were right from the start.
Bash me if you must, but I'm with Trump in not Trusting ABC's Poll. ABC has a goal of Removing Tump by any means possible including using manipulated ore heavily weighted polls to affect public opinion.
Has anyone dug into this poll to get the details of it?[/QUOTE]
believe it or not, polls are not conducted by wizards who can predict the outcome several months before a vote
So what you're trying to imply is that because the polls throughout the campaign might not have been entirely accurate, therefore a current opinion poll must be wrong too? This isn't a projection or a prediction, they've gone out and asked people about how they feel. Several other pollsters are reporting similar figures.
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478238]Yea, on the last day of it. maybe this argument would carry more weight if they were right from the start.
Bash me if you must, but I'm with Trump in not Trusting ABC's Poll. ABC has a goal of Removing Tump by any means possible including using manipulated ore heavily weighted polls to affect public opinion.
Has anyone dug into this poll to get the details of it?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news/[/url]
Minimal bias, high rate of factual reporting. ABC is a reliable and honest source of news. You can scream "Fake News" about everything that is critical of Trump all you want, but know that you're fighting reality itself. Lie to yourself, just don't lie to everybody else.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;52478270]Wait, you're complaining [I]ABC[/I] is some ultra-left fact-warping conspiracy?
Like, I can understand not trusting CNN or WaPo polls, they're pretty clearly on the left. But ABC? The one owned by Disney? I'd say they're the least biased of the big four news stations in America - CNN is too far left, Fox is too far right (and gives no fucks about facts anymore), and Trump has a grudge against NBC since The Apprentice and I wouldn't trust them to be perfectly fair to him (since he's being way unfair to them).[/QUOTE]
Disney has tried to push stuff that the Left liked before in their entertainment shows before, so I wouldn't put it past them to push or lean to the left with their news station too.
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478297]Disney has tried to push stuff that the Left liked before in their entertainment shows before, so I wouldn't put it past them to push or lean to the left with their news station too.[/QUOTE]
It would be nice for you to at least acknowledge that ABC is not at all biased compared to Fox who literally lie and omit reality
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478297]Disney has tried to push stuff that the Left liked before in their entertainment shows before, so I wouldn't put it past them to push or lean to the left with their news station too.[/QUOTE]
your excuses are getting flimsier by the freaking minute
clear cut case of trying to rationalize bias, but please, do go on. at least it's entertaining
Like I think there's a fundamental flaw with too many peoples understanding of how "polls" work in the first place.
[editline]17th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478238]Yea, on the last day of it. maybe this argument would carry more weight if they were right from the start.
Bash me if you must, but I'm with Trump in not Trusting ABC's Poll. ABC has a goal of Removing Tump by any means possible including using manipulated ore heavily weighted polls to affect public opinion.
Has anyone dug into this poll to get the details of it?[/QUOTE]
Because there's no reasonable way a poll would be accurate a year out and even then polls are indications not representations of reality. Just indicators.
If [I]any[/I] polling methodology could be consistently accurate a year ahead of time, it would revolutionize the foundations of psychology, polling, statistics, journalism, and politics. A Nobel prize wouldn't be enough, a new prize would be created just to recognize this achievement.
It would be like finding the Higgs boson of opinion polling.
Glaber seems to assume that this is an acceptable standard to hold news media to.
well maybe you'd all have a point, if we had standalone ABC polls without the Washington post involved.
I'd say something about the News anchors, but that would assume people here actually watch the station. (we have it on sometimes at work)
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478297]Disney has tried to push stuff that the Left liked before in their entertainment shows before, so I wouldn't put it past them to push or lean to the left with their news station too.[/QUOTE]
Like what? They have gays in some of their TV shows? Some of those "strong female protagonists"? Oh, or some of that racial diversity.
Literally the majority of America doesn't have a problem with that stuff anymore - the far-right might still be against it, but the far-left, center-left, center and even center-right are fine with it. Disney's not pushing an agenda, they're just barely keeping up with the times. Until they literally have an episode about socialized healthcare guest-starring Bernie Sanders that I missed, I don't think they're really pushing any agenda.
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478347]well maybe you'd all have a point, if we had standalone ABC polls without the Washington post involved.
I'd say something about the News anchors, but that would assume people here actually watch the station. (we have it on sometimes at work)[/QUOTE]
I like how you're chewing them out for [I]percieved[/I] impropriety yet Fox's advertised, on display, blatant lies get a pass from you.
Cmon dude.
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478347]well maybe you'd all have a point, if we had standalone ABC polls without the Washington post involved.
I'd say something about the News anchors, but that would assume people here actually watch the station. (we have it on sometimes at work)[/QUOTE]
nah we do have a point. we sure as hell have more of a point than mr "if polls don't predict a whole fucking year into the future, i don't trust them at all" over here
Ok, I'll concede the year in advance point. Doesn't mean I'll trust ABC on politics though
ABC's goal isn't to remove Trump from office.
Where can I vote for this?
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478394]Ok, I'll concede the year in advance point. Doesn't mean I'll trust ABC on politics though[/QUOTE]
So who [I]do[/I] you trust? Even if you claim to only rely on yourself for analysis, you still need to be getting facts from somewhere.
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478394]Ok, I'll concede the year in advance point. Doesn't mean I'll trust ABC on politics though[/QUOTE]
if you understand that your year in advance point was utter nonsense, all you're left with is a poll that actually got things right. which you still don't trust. fuck me, where is the logic here? it's feels before reals through and through
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52478421]if you understand that your year in advance point was utter nonsense, all you're left with is a poll that actually got things right. which you still don't trust. fuck me, where is the logic here? it's feels before reals through and through[/QUOTE]
Well how can I trust the poll even if I did concede on the time frame bit? After all it was Gman003 who said:
[QUOTE=gman003-main;52478270]Wait, you're complaining [I]ABC[/I] is some ultra-left fact-warping conspiracy?
[B]Like, I can understand not trusting CNN or WaPo polls[/B][B], they're pretty clearly on the left[/B][B].[/B] But ABC? The one owned by Disney? I'd say they're the least biased of the big four news stations in America - CNN is too far left, Fox is too far right (and gives no fucks about facts anymore), and Trump has a grudge against NBC since The Apprentice and I wouldn't trust them to be perfectly fair to him (since he's being way unfair to them).[/QUOTE]
and the poll is a Wapo poll. When I tried to find a poll to prove my point and failed, all I could find were joint polls between ABC and Washington Post.
How can I trust ABC if they use a clearly Leftist source for their polls?
As for who I do trust, Rush Limbaugh. (and if your source for what he says is ABC or CNN or any other news source, you're getting his words though a filter)
[QUOTE=gman003-main;52478350]Like what? They have gays in some of their TV shows? Some of those "strong female protagonists"? Oh, or some of that racial diversity.
Literally the majority of America doesn't have a problem with that stuff anymore - the far-right might still be against it, but the far-left, center-left, center and even center-right are fine with it. Disney's not pushing an agenda, they're just barely keeping up with the times. Until they literally have an episode about socialized healthcare guest-starring Bernie Sanders that I missed, I don't think they're really pushing any agenda.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, Disney is a tad bit conservative if we're talking the European definition of Left and Right politics, since they focus hard on "family values"
After all, families are their business group.
[QUOTE=Glaber;52478437]Well how can I trust the poll even if I did concede on the time frame bit? After all it was Gman003 who said:
and the poll is a Wapo poll. When I tried to find a poll to prove my point and failed, all I could find were joint polls between ABC and Washington Post.
How can I trust ABC if they use a clearly Leftist source for their polls?
As for who I do trust, Rush Limbaugh. (and if your source for what he says is ABC or CNN or any other news source, you're getting his words though a filter)[/QUOTE]
I don't think bias matters as long as their reporting and polling are considered accurate, which they are. Rush is not remotely truthful imo, he's a commentator that simply says things you like to hear.
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