• Windows Phone has lost 1 million users in the USA since the start of this year
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On the plus side, making apps for Windows 10 looks promising. Especially being in C# and having a nice form designer.
I might be late here, but that whole lack of apps thing should be changing soon. The current CEO of Microsoft (forget his name) recently announced a dev kit to convert Android and IOS apps into Windows 10 apps.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47897855]idk if you use windows 8, but MS already has windows phone/tablet like UI for their desktop apps being sold on the windows marketplace; I guarantee you this is already Microsoft's intention (unifying the runtime environment on their three platforms. probably with .net)[/QUOTE] But the apps were totally separate across Windows 8 and Windows Phone. They figured out a porting process, but it was still a ball ache. There were different APIs, different design conventions and a bunch of other differences that made porting a load of work. If someone made a Windows 8 app, as far as they were concerned, it wasn't worth the effort to port them since the app wouldn't get much exposure due to lack of users. They thought it would be enough to tempt developers but they were wrong. With Windows 10 they've developed a consistent app platform. A phone app literally is the same app as it is on the pc or a tablet, and it's not hard at all to make the UI adaptable. Also, crucially, users weren't bothering to use the store apps in windows 8 because they were full screen, and used a bunch of new conventions the average user wouldn't bother to learn. Now, with Windows 10 the store apps work just like any old app, they're not going to alienate people. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Demache;47898920]I take it you haven't used an 7-8 inch x86 Windows 8.1 tablet? They definitely run Windows applications, games even (my Dell Venue 8 Pro runs Skyrim surprisingly well). However, even at the comparatively low resolution of 1280 x 800 I have to get the stylus out to use many desktop apps or control panels. Everything is just too small for your finger. Add on top of that, many windows applications don't support DPI scaling correctly, sometimes outright breaking the UI. Now imagine that on a display that's half the size with twice the resolution. It would be a nightmare usability wise. Good luck convincing your average user to use a stylus.[/QUOTE] Exactly this. Oh and not to mention you'd have to have a phone run on x86, sacrificing battery life. And that means you'd end up with some phones on ARM and some on x86, meaning some can run win32 apps and some can't, which would be a nightmare to explain to users. Look at how Windows RT went.
[QUOTE=Levelog;47899292]Don't try to argue anything WP related with Skanic. It's just a painful logic-void experience.[/QUOTE] iphones are better than Android as well , in terms of stability and user interface.
quite honestly i can't think of a good reason to own a windows phone, which sucks because the ui is really nice tbh
Has anyone tried out the BLU phones? They are from USA and seem like a good option compared to all the LGs Samsungs Nokias Blackberrys we only get here at totally unreasonable prices.
[QUOTE=Skanic;47899888]iphones are better than Android as well , in terms of stability and user interface.[/QUOTE] Go ahead, I'm waiting for your arguments as to why.
[QUOTE=Skanic;47899888]iphones are better than Android as well , in terms of stability and user interface.[/QUOTE] This is a fact, unfortunately. Android phones slow down badly. Even flagships with insanely powerful hardware crammed into them don't run as well as a years old iPhone or a cheap Windows Phone. The idea of owning a full price phone that will occasionally say 'hey I'm slow, try closing some apps in the task manager' to me is just nuts. Not to mention, the customization that everyone touts leaves them open to bloatware and malware and general crapware (imagine having to put a virus checker on a phone) and just isn't worth it considering the average user doesn't give a crap about making sure their widgets are the right size or their system clock is the right typeface or whatever people do when they customize their Android phones, and they're the ones who are most at risk of letting their phone get clogged with crap cuz they don't know any better. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;47899962]Go ahead, I'm waiting for your arguments as to why.[/QUOTE] It's really easy to overlook how laggy and slow your phone is when you're used to it, but once you use an iPhone or a Windows Phone or whatever for an extended amount of time, you really do start to notice it and it gets kind of difficult to go back. I have found myself cringing when helping family work their new Android phones at how slow they get. I recently helped someone set up a brand new S5, and my word was it slow at doing any UI things. I know this is going to sound annoying, but I had one and thought it was awesome, but I switched to a Windows Phone largely out of a design boner (the UI was awesome and the hardware was beautiful), and while I lamented the loss of apps and the pretty limited functionality of the built in apps (this has improved a lot now, and with Windows 10 Mobile, the built in apps look solid), I really did notice a big difference. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] I kind of thought it was just an accepted fact by now that Android phones are really unstable.
Had Lumia 520 before the S3 I now have and I miss how much quicker and comfortable doing everything was with 520. Even simple things like slide to unlock was much more responsive and didn't fail randomly. With S3 there's a brief pause with pretty much every transition as opposed to WP's none. There's also even less physical buttons which makes things more difficult, especially when it's physically thinner and rounder. The most I miss the physical camera button, because when you see something to take a picture of, you can start holding the camera button as you grab the phone from your pocket, so that the camera activates in the time it takes to take out your phone. With S3 to my knowledge there isn't a way of doing this so you have to take it out, unlock it, hit the app, wait for it to load and even though it's ready, keep your eyes on the screen because it's an on-screen button with no tactile feedback.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47899998]It's really easy to overlook how laggy and slow your phone is when you're used to it, but once you use an iPhone or a Windows Phone or whatever for an extended amount of time, you really do start to notice it and it gets kind of difficult to go back. I have found myself cringing when helping family work their new Android phones at how slow they get. I recently helped someone set up a brand new S5, and my word was it slow at doing any UI things.[/QUOTE] I really wanted to upgrade from my S3 because it was getting borderline unusable from how slow. The keyboard would take seconds to register my input, even skipping words at time. Firefox would freeze up at times. Unlocking the screen would sometimes take up to 10 seconds. I was getting really fed up with it. I ended up getting a S5, mostly because I'm not too versed in phones and I wanted something Android to develop for. I hadn't seriously considered Windows Phone for a lot of the reasons stated earlier, and I just personally don't like the squares-everywhere UI. But after getting my Surface, I've become more interested in Windows products like 8.1/10 and OneDrive. I would like to try to live with a Windows Phone, but it's such a commitment I'm not willing to make. My S5 is more responsive than my old S3, but I can feel the lag building up slowly.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;47900312]I really wanted to upgrade from my S3 because it was getting borderline unusable from how slow. The keyboard would take seconds to register my input, even skipping words at time. Firefox would freeze up at times. Unlocking the screen would sometimes take up to 10 seconds. I was getting really fed up with it. [/QUOTE]Jesus, what the fuck did you do to get it like that?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47897855]My Nokia Lumia 1520 is basically a fucking piece of glass. I've broken the digitizer 3 fucking times now, and it's impossible to replace, unlike an iPhone or android. I've dropped my android phones plenty of times, NEVER broken. Nokia glued the digitizer to the LCD; it's impossible to separate them. If you want to replace the digitizer, you have to buy an entire new screen assembly. Also, there are no apps for it, and some companies outright REFUSE to develop for it (snapchat), and will ban you for using third party apps on it (snapchat). as a vanilla phone, it's actually pretty fine, and it had a big screen before the iPhone 6 plus. I liked that for watching netflix, but the my phone is in a perpetual state of being broken, so I resolved the last time I broke it that as soon as I get my next paycheck I'm buying a goddamned HTC One [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] idk if you use windows 8, but MS already has windows phone/tablet like UI for their desktop apps being sold on the windows marketplace; I guarantee you this is already Microsoft's intention (unifying the runtime environment on their three platforms. probably with .net)[/QUOTE] I have a 1520 too and I've bought just a cheap ass ebay case for it. It's worked fucking wonders though. I've dropped this thing while running and even while riding my motorcycle. It's skidded on pavement a LOT and it's not broke yet.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47899998]This is a fact, unfortunately. Android phones slow down badly. Even flagships with insanely powerful hardware crammed into them don't run as well as a years old iPhone or a cheap Windows Phone. The idea of owning a full price phone that will occasionally say 'hey I'm slow, try closing some apps in the task manager' to me is just nuts. Not to mention, the customization that everyone touts leaves them open to bloatware and malware and general crapware [B](imagine having to put a virus checker on a phone[/B]) and just isn't worth it considering the average user doesn't give a crap about making sure their widgets are the right size or their system clock is the right typeface or whatever people do when they customize their Android phones, and they're the ones who are most at risk of letting their phone get clogged with crap cuz they don't know any better. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] It's really easy to overlook how laggy and slow your phone is when you're used to it, but once you use an iPhone or a Windows Phone or whatever for an extended amount of time, you really do start to notice it and it gets kind of difficult to go back. I have found myself cringing when helping family work their new Android phones at how slow they get. I recently helped someone set up a brand new S5, and my word was it slow at doing any UI things. I know this is going to sound annoying, but I had one and thought it was awesome, but I switched to a Windows Phone largely out of a design boner (the UI was awesome and the hardware was beautiful), and while I lamented the loss of apps and the pretty limited functionality of the built in apps, I really did notice a big difference. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] I kind of thought it was just an accepted fact by now that Android phones are really unstable.[/QUOTE] imagine still thinking android actually needs a virus checker unless you're downloading midget.xxx.gangbang.mp4.apk, and ignoring the google warning saying "yo this apk is unsafe as shit don't install it"
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47900435]imagine still thinking android actually needs a virus checker unless you're downloading midget.xxx.gangbang.mp4.apk, and ignoring the google warning saying "yo this apk is unsafe as shit don't install it"[/QUOTE] You get this warning for every apk downloaded anywhere but from app store. Not to mention there are plenty of shady apps on the app store too.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47900347]Jesus, what the fuck did you do to get it like that?[/QUOTE] I don't know. I only really use my phone for web browsing and phone stuff.
Windows phone can die already. They just need to focus on cross platform for Microsoft apps. I want more Microsoft apps on android and iPhone that work seamlessly so all my devices work together. IMO windows phone is the worst ever they need to focus on what they do best and that's software.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47900466]You get this warning for every apk downloaded anywhere but from app store. Not to mention there are plenty of shady apps on the app store too.[/QUOTE] except those apps can't install viruses on your phone (bouncer scans all apps, not just ones uninstalled from unknown sources)
I switched from Android to Windows Phone and I don't regret it in the slightest. My old phone was an LG and it was an inexcusable piece of garbage, but I received it as a gift so I made due with it for a long time. Its screen was unresponsive and constantly hampered web navigation by clicking the wrong things, it would often fail to send messages and download webpages, and would often display 3G and full bars before suddenly losing connectivity to both networks as soon as I tried to use either service. Sometimes it would lock up in the middle of phone calls and the only way I could restart it was to pull the battery out. I have a Lumia 635 now and it works exactly as intended.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47899998]This is a fact, unfortunately. Android phones slow down badly. Even flagships with insanely powerful hardware crammed into them don't run as well as a years old iPhone or a cheap Windows Phone. The idea of owning a full price phone that will occasionally say 'hey I'm slow, try closing some apps in the task manager' to me is just nuts. Not to mention, the customization that everyone touts leaves them open to bloatware and malware and general crapware (imagine having to put a virus checker on a phone) and just isn't worth it considering the average user doesn't give a crap about making sure their widgets are the right size or their system clock is the right typeface or whatever people do when they customize their Android phones, and they're the ones who are most at risk of letting their phone get clogged with crap cuz they don't know any better. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] It's really easy to overlook how laggy and slow your phone is when you're used to it, but once you use an iPhone or a Windows Phone or whatever for an extended amount of time, you really do start to notice it and it gets kind of difficult to go back. I have found myself cringing when helping family work their new Android phones at how slow they get. I recently helped someone set up a brand new S5, and my word was it slow at doing any UI things. I know this is going to sound annoying, but I had one and thought it was awesome, but I switched to a Windows Phone largely out of a design boner (the UI was awesome and the hardware was beautiful), and while I lamented the loss of apps and the pretty limited functionality of the built in apps, I really did notice a big difference. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] I kind of thought it was just an accepted fact by now that Android phones are really unstable.[/QUOTE] I really wasn't a fan of the WP design, and I found it in no way smoother than my G3. User interface is far better on android imo. Android phones to have the tendency to be less stable, but as long as you disable any bloat crap and don't install a bunch of shit apps you won't have any more stability issues than any other phone.
Not sure where people are getting 'Windows Phone is cluttered' from. I've been on android and iOS and I had no trouble getting used to its interface.
No snapchat :(
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47900960]except those apps can't install viruses on your phone (bouncer scans all apps, not just ones uninstalled from unknown sources)[/QUOTE] Depends on what you consider a virus then
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47901319]Depends on what you consider a virus then[/QUOTE] Or there is already a system in place to take care of such. Also there's no system can can 100% protect the end user against their own stupidity. There'll always be idiots.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;47895249]It's got far more userbase outside the US than within the US. Heck, in Italy or Brazil it's the second most popular mobile OS, with 40% of the country using it. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] Although it really has been hampered with the lack of a flagship. The last time one came out was last year, around this time, and in the US it was a Verizon-exclusive. Also the lack of Snapchat might mean something (that's less of them not making the app and more the Snapchat CEO having a vendetta against WP)[/QUOTE] Did you pull those numbers out of your anus or something? I barely see anyone ever using windows phone here where I live. If I'm wrong do you mind giving me a source?
[QUOTE=maxolina;47904254]Did you pull those numbers out of your anus or something? I barely see anyone ever using windows phone here where I live. If I'm wrong do you mind giving me a source?[/QUOTE] yes, he did. it's about 13% [url]http://www.statista.com/statistics/260422/market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems-in-italy/[/url] [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] at least in italy [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] in brazil windows phone is 4% while android is 80% rofl
[url=http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/01/21/here-are-24-countries-where-windows-phone-outsells-the-iphone-and-why-it-does/]it is second place in some countries though.[/url]
[QUOTE=Bumrang;47904291]yes, he did. it's about 13% [url]http://www.statista.com/statistics/260422/market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems-in-italy/[/url] [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] at least in italy [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] in brazil windows phone is 4% while android is 80% rofl[/QUOTE] Sorry, I heard it from somewhere. Should have looked into it before posting it.
My Lumia 520 is quite durable and has great build quality for such a cheap smartphone. As expected from nokia. But yeah, I want more apps choice on this.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;47904291]yes, he did. it's about 13% [url]http://www.statista.com/statistics/260422/market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems-in-italy/[/url] [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] at least in italy [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] in brazil windows phone is 4% while android is 80% rofl[/QUOTE] really? FlandersNed, what a fucking imbecile
[QUOTE=Antlerp;47904949]really? FlandersNed, what a fucking imbecile[/QUOTE] I made a mistake and I owned up to it, I don't think I deserve to be called that though.
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