[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22859375]I donnu. I would take it if I were them. I'm sure they have some reason though.[/QUOTE]
because they think somehow brown people are all dangerous
same mentality that Israel and you have
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859486][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Israelis_killed_by_Palestinians_in_Israel_and_Palestinians_killed_by_Israelis_in_Gaza_-_2008_prior_to_Gaza_War.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The question is, how many of those Palestinians were wearing suicide jackets and killed at the border gates? How many were killed by Israeli weapons in response to launching rockets and mortars from Gaza and the West Bank?
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[QUOTE=RidingKeys;22859540]I think we shut up Ridge for now.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, went to get some water.
"The conflict left between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinians and 13 Israelis killed[44]."
[IMG]http://imgur.com/KJlby.png[/IMG]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War[/url]
Ya know what. Just say it. Just put it out in words here, with no double talk, that you want Israel to be gone. You know it's what you feel. Just throw it out there.
Not all Palestinians are extremists that are willing to throw their lives away. Not all Israeli weapons were fired in response to mortars or rocket launches, but instead, they were aimed at homes of Palestinians for being supposed 'terrorist centers'.
You're grasping for anything.
The fact is, Israel kills more innocent people than have ever been killed by Palestinian actions.
Fuck off and die anyone who defends them.
[editline]06:02PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ridge;22859633]Ya know what. Just say it. Just put it out in words here, with no double talk, that you want Israel to be gone. You know it's what you feel. Just throw it out there.[/QUOTE]
lol "OGM U ANTISEMITE BCUZ HOLOCAUST THEREFORE ISRAEL CAN ACT LIKE NAZIS"
Ridge, you need to do more research. Iran does not have the material needed to create a nuclear bomb. Initial reports by the US stated that they did, but that has been proven otherwise. Iran has done nothing to threaten the US, and the only talks it has had concerning it has been of peace, diplomacy, or pointing out inaccuracies or hypocrisy due to US led sanctions.
The Iranian people are some of the most pro-US in the Muslim world, and while the government is not a big fan, they have many times attempted to open dialog, participate in peace talks, be diplomatic, and have always followed UN regulations concerning their nuclear power (within reason, which is their right). They have no reason to hate the US other than what the US is doing to them now, yet they approach with aid, they participate in peace talks, they offer diplomacy, they give in to our regulations and standards, and they allow our journalists in their country without any censorship, as long as we ask first.
Your news sources don't help you. The one from biased Israel cites a paper from London as its main source, which in turn only cites a "secret intelligence documents related to Tehran's controversial nuclear program, which foreign intelligence agencies date to early 2007", yet provides no document.
Another one states how Iran has enough for two bombs, but all, note, ALL, of their material would need "further enrichment". That's the same as saying that you have enough material for sixteen molotovs, but you don't have the materials in the same house, they aren't readily available, and you have to go to the store to buy another thing of bottles.
"The inspectors reported Monday that Iran has now produced over 5,300 pounds of low-enriched uranium, all of which would have to undergo further enrichment before it could be converted to bomb fuel."
Ya. The fact that they produced the uranium at low-enrichment kind of indicates that they intended for it to be low-enriched so they could use it for fuel and not weapons. You don't produce your uranium at low-enrichment if you intend to enrich it later. You produce high-enriched uranium. And plus, we know that they're actively using their reserves of enriched uranium for, guess what? Power and medical research. Nuclear power. Medical research.
"The 20 percent level, needed to produce fuel for a medical research reactor, is far below the more than 90 percent required to build a nuclear weapon..."
Again...
So if you can tell me why in the past 20 years Iran has been trying to be diplomatic and open peace talks with the US, and has been seen using their material, which is well below that needed for a bomb, for medical research and power, and then tell me why they've not hidden a facility and have always made deadlines for building and alerting the UN to these facilities, and have even supported the US diplomatically at times, and yet still want to bomb, nay [i]nuke[/i] us, then go ahead, explain it, because the only aggressor I see is the US.
And even if they are producing nukes, and they aren't, or want to, and they aren't, then they easily could have bought some off of friendly Pakistan, which they haven't. But regardless, we are not the nuclear police, and no one has the right to tell a country that they can not have access to nuclear power, research, and weapons. Iran is not unstable, they are not aggressive, and they are not stupid. They have every right that the US does to have nuclear weapons, and just because the US lost their Shah dictator back in the revolution and still is butthurt because Iran supports people we don't like and lives by a culture counter to our own, that doesn't mean they don't have the same basic rights as every country t defense, research, and technological advancement.
[QUOTE=Ridge;22859633]Ya know what. Just say it. Just put it out in words here, with no double talk, that you want Israel to be gone. You know it's what you feel. Just throw it out there.[/QUOTE]
No, we want Israel to stop the bullshit, but it won't happen. Wanna know why?
Because every country has corruption. Even if they try to hide it, and the ignorant eyes ignore it. You won't be able to get rid of it, and it's a plague that can't be stopped.
not to mention the other things Israel has done: walling civilians up in ghettos, denying them medical aid, bombing hospitals/schools/clinics, using white phosphorous, etc.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22855869]I wish the US would stop being a dick and just accept the help.[/QUOTE]
If we did, Fox news would be all over it, calling Obama a traitor for working with the enemy
Oh my god. Give Ridge a title PLEASE!
[QUOTE=Detective P;22859662]
And even if they are producing nukes, and they aren't, or want to, and they aren't, then they easily could have bought some off of friendly Pakistan[/QUOTE]
Everything else you said is completely right. However I doubt that they would buy it off of Pakistan as Pakistan is using us to help them with the Taliban and other extremist groups(Correct me if i'm wrong, this is just what I read in an article somewhere).
My god, Detecive P.. That is the most well written and concise post I've seen on these forums since I joined!
Yes, the Iranian people do like aspects of the west, and would like to further themselves and try to join the 21st century. But as long as their despotic leaders continue to make threats against the west, it's just not going to happen.
News articles I saw while researching my posts have said that Iran has bought the low enriched uranium from Turkey and the like. I also posted an article on the previous page I believe dated yesterday, saying they are enriching uranium, and they have the ability to enrich 11 pounds of material per month. They are enriching the material past the level needed for peaceful technologies.
Even Saudi Arabia sees a problem broiling here, which is why they allowed Israeli aircraft to land on a Saudi military airbase and offload materials to possibly support an air attack on these facilities.
What is the saying? Catch someone a fish, feed them for a day. Teach them to fish, and feed them for a lifetime?
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859620]"The conflict left between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinians and 13 Israelis killed[44]."
[IMG]http://imgur.com/KJlby.png[/IMG]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War[/url][/QUOTE]
Numbers aren't everything.
If ten people wanted to kill one man, and the one man had nothing to do to save himself except killing them before they kill him, he wouldn't be blamed for causing the death of 10 men, while if he had let them kill him, only 1 man would die.
[QUOTE=RidingKeys;22859784]Everything else you said is completely right. However I doubt that they would buy it off of Pakistan as Pakistan is using us to help them with the Taliban and other extremist groups(Correct me if i'm wrong, this is just what I read in an article somewhere).[/QUOTE]
Well, Pakistan is actually kind of blocking us from intervening in their Taliban issue and won't let US forces over the border, legally, in most cases. Pakistan isn't all too friendly with us because of our close relationship to India, but we definitely aren't enemies. They do share a good relationship with Iran, and it's been claimed that the two have shared super-duper top secret weapons plans int he past, though no hard evidence has ever been shown.
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859643]The fact is, Israel kills more innocent people than have ever been killed by Palestinian actions.
Fuck off and die anyone who defends them.
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lol "OGM U ANTISEMITE BCUZ HOLOCAUST THEREFORE ISRAEL CAN ACT LIKE NAZIS"[/QUOTE]
Actually the numbers are pretty close. Adding the number of deaths from suicide bombers, it comes to almost 1100 Israelis if I'm not mistaken.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22859862]Numbers aren't everything.
If ten people wanted to kill one man, and the one man had nothing to do to save himself except killing them before they kill him, he wouldn't be blamed for causing the death of 10 men, while if he had let them kill him, only 1 man would die.[/QUOTE]
Fuck you. Those are casualties from the ISRAELI INVASION of Gaza.
That's not self defense. You're so brainwashed that even faced with numerical facts from your own government you can't accept that Israel kills ten times more civilians than it saves.
An Israeli is not worth more than a Palestinian civilian. A human is a human; a life is a life.
Obviously you've given up part of your humanity.
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859922]Fuck you. Those are casualties from the ISRAELI INVASION of Gaza.
That's not self defense. You're so brainwashed that even faced with numerical facts from your own government you can't accept that Israel kills ten times more civilians than it saves.
An Israeli is not worth more than a Palestinian civilian. A human is a human; a life is a life.
Obviously you've given up part of your humanity.[/QUOTE]
he's an Israeli
all brown people are bad to him
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859922]Fuck you. Those are casualties from the ISRAELI INVASION of Gaza.
That's not self defense. You're so brainwashed that even faced with numerical facts from your own government you can't accept that Israel kills ten times more civilians than it saves.
An Israeli is not worth more than a Palestinian civilian. A human is a human; a life is a life.
Obviously you've given up part of your humanity.[/QUOTE]
BurnEmDown has a better view of the situation than you could ever hope to have, seeing as he is THERE.
[QUOTE=Ridge;22859954]BurnEmDown has a better view of the situation than you could ever hope to have, seeing as he is THERE.[/QUOTE]
wow I'm automatically wrong because he lives in Israel where he's only told what's right by the gigantic propaganda machine there!
[QUOTE=Detective P;22859874]Well, Pakistan is actually kind of blocking us from intervening in their Taliban issue and won't let US forces over the border, legally, in most cases. Pakistan isn't all too friendly with us because of our close relationship to India, but we definitely aren't enemies. They do share a good relationship with Iran, and it's been claimed that the two have shared super-duper top secret weapons plans int he past, though no hard evidence has ever been shown.[/QUOTE]
True, i guess you are right in a way. I don't know how long ago it was but there was a radio interview on the Taliban issue, conducted by US reporters, so they may be opening up.
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859978]wow I'm automatically wrong because he lives in Israel where he's only told what's right by the gigantic propaganda machine there![/QUOTE]
You're wrong because you're being an armchair quarterback. He can look out his window and see smoke rising from Hamas attacks.
[QUOTE=Ridge;22859954]BurnEmDown has a better view of the situation than you could ever hope to have, seeing as he is THERE.[/QUOTE]
quite the opposite
with all the propaganda there and shit, it's clear that he's been brainwashed. he'll defend Israel no matter what they do. people like us who don't live there have a much more rational and logical view.
[QUOTE=Ridge;22860018]You're wrong because you're being an armchair quarterback. He can look out his window and see smoke rising from Hamas attacks.[/QUOTE]
um
No he can't. And if you look at the numbers, you see that Israel has killed about ten times more civilians than Hamas has killed with rocket attacks.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22860025]quite the opposite
with all the propaganda there and shit, it's clear that he's been brainwashed. he'll defend Israel no matter what they do. people like us who don't live there have a much more rational and logical view.[/QUOTE]
And you only get the half of the story that the news channels you are watching wants to give you. It's clear that most of the media follows liberal ideas and is willing to filter news to help push the agenda.
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[quote=wecksyrex;22860039]um
no he can't. And if you look at the numbers, you see that israel has killed about ten times more civilians than hamas has killed with rocket attacks.[/quote]
you still arent counting suicide bombers.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22860025]quite the opposite
with all the propaganda there and shit, it's clear that he's been brainwashed. he'll defend Israel no matter what they do. people like us who don't live there have a much more rational and logical view.[/QUOTE]
He's criticized Israel in the past on more than one occasion.
[QUOTE=Ridge;22860048]And you only get the half of the story that the news channels you are watching wants to give you. It's clear that most of the media follows liberal ideas and is willing to filter news to help push the agenda.[/QUOTE]
That's bullshit. And at any rate, I get most of my news from internet periodicals and unbiased sources.
[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22860072]That's bullshit. And at any rate, I get most of my news from internet periodicals and unbiased sources.[/QUOTE]
Any examples?
Betcha Huffington Post is in there somewhere...
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